-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
- Thread starter PowerToScale
- Start date
- 4,477
- 4,551
Going purely off the profiles, I don't actually think any of the batfamily but Batman is that much better in H2H
- 4,477
- 4,551
Ah, that makes more sense.
Arkenis
They/Them- 17,264
- 8,002
Maki already lost to Red Hood and he's inferior to Tim iirc
- 1,680
- 1,161
- 4,477
- 4,551
Eh, her loss again was more about equipment and his fighting style. Plus, just looking at his feats, he's not really exceptionally better at H2h than her. I assume it was just assumed because he's related to batman that he clearly outclassed her.
- 12,004
- 11,625
Arkenis
They/Them- 17,264
- 8,002
His feats are better though, holding his own against Batman and Nightwing is something Maki hasn't replicated in her verse at all, besides that he's stated a master combatant by Talia. Maki's the one with typical feats in h2h if anything, she beat up Mai, a weakling in combat, and then Miwa, a swordswoman with little experience. And if she couldn't outdo Red Hood, I doubt she's getting past the other Batfamily members.
- 11,561
- 11,002
Maki downplay here is insane
- 6,938
- 6,758
It's not downplay, you're just comparing her to the Bat-Family
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 21,592
- 9,173
Arkenis
They/Them- 17,264
- 8,002
I'm the one who updated her Intel section but alr
- 12,004
- 11,625
JJK isn’t even a reference for hand to hand combat, I know a fuckton of comic characters who completely humiliate them.
Cassandra is in the top 5 of DC’s best hand to hand fighters, she stomps everyone in JJK and you can probably put all of them against her and she will beat them. She is THAT good.
The moment Maki thinks to make a move, Cass has already predicted everything from her and came up with hundreds of different ways to kill Maki with just a few movements.
Cassandra is in the top 5 of DC’s best hand to hand fighters, she stomps everyone in JJK and you can probably put all of them against her and she will beat them. She is THAT good.
The moment Maki thinks to make a move, Cass has already predicted everything from her and came up with hundreds of different ways to kill Maki with just a few movements.
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 21,592
- 9,173
Do you guys think Mahoraga would unironically adapt to his domain expansion by becoming a lawyer? I know anime filler isn't used but we're shown Mahoraga can adapt in skill against Sukuna in the Blu-ray version of their fight as Sukuna is literally clowning on Mahoraga for a vast majority of the fight until he adapts to his fighting style and begins going blow for blow with him in sheer martial arts.
Tomfer
He/Him- 1,497
- 1,470
RIP my plans of a Itadori & Todo vs Moon Knight with no arms, legs and with depression.
Tomfer
He/Him- 1,497
- 1,470
The Batfamily downplay is so real... (Still better than Elektra being only Above Average lmao)
Arkenis
They/Them- 17,264
- 8,002
The pages just suck for detailing skill lmao. Somehow Cassandra got the works though.
- 4,477
- 4,551
The thing about holding your own against Batman and Nightwing is that it isn't particularly a feat indicative of anyone being a genius in combat. Holding your own against anyone particularly skilled in combat isn't indicative of you yourself also being a genuis. It removes context. Nearly every one of Batman's rogue has at some point held their own against him physically but arguing that each and every one of them is some sort of combat genius would be silly.
I assume that's why most of the Batfamily doesn't actually scale to him in terms of combat intelligence. Like Jason isn't a genius at combat, he's just Gifted. What depths of martial arts understanding has he shown, what grand feats of skill has he demonstrated, how did he keep up with Batman and Nightwing. Stuff like that is important for actually ascertaining one's skill at fighting.
For example, Maki's skill isn't really seen in who she was beating, it's seen in how she defeated people. It's seen by her showing a clear grasp of multiple forms of martial arts, her ability to wield a diverse range of weaponry, and statements ascertaining the fact.
Like I get that Batman is supposed to be crazy skilled, Cassandra Cain much the same, I'm pretty sure Nightwing has a diverse array of teachers as well. But people like Jason, Tim, or Barbara if they actually had good things to argue for them being some crazy combat geniuses their profiles sure don't demonstrate it.
Tomfer
He/Him- 1,497
- 1,470
I guess the point is isn't really holding his own against them, but the fact that both Batman and Nightwing were teachers, passing down everything they know to them. So everything one knows, every other batfamily member should know as well.
Because their profiles are old as hell and the people knowledgeable enough don't really wanna fix it or just dropped mid-way through (
I could revamp Red Hood, but I'm still busy making a Post-Flash Red Hood with a friend of mine, so Post-Crisis goes for another year.
Tomfer
He/Him- 1,497
- 1,470
How so? Personally never had any actual problem with it.
- 11,561
- 11,002
Batman would think that Maki is just a average High School girl trying to be a thug and then would end up killed after the first punch
- 1,680
- 1,161
Probably because:
When he interacted with Maho, infinity turned off. He then went on to quickly stop Sukuna, didn't quite work so he focused on chanting and increasing the output of blue and red and unleashing purple in a aoe blast
Point is that since his infinity was already off and he was focusing on pulling off purple he couldn't activate it on.
Besides, he was already suffering a brain damage centered on his CT part directly (unlike Sukuna's who's brain damage is closer or in the area of barrier techniques) so the usual proficiency/control he has isn't as good as before.
And I doubt it being his own CE matters since even he isn't affected by blue or red in anyway in close distances or when Red pushes space around, as if infinity was blocking it.
But maybe it is his own CE. Or not. We only have these options seemingly.
EldemadeDityjon
He/Him- 17,006
- 12,690
Infinity couldn't perceive the Shockwaves created by the blast lol.
Arkenis
They/Them- 17,264
- 8,002
The intel sections don't give much detail for their combat like Barbara or Redhood
- 1,680
- 1,161
Chat. He lost it.
- 672
- 925
idk who started the idea of using the ******* batfamily as the measure for skill scaling across other series, but yea Maki isn't as skilled as people who know every martial art move in history as a baseline. She is decently skilled though, most shonen rarely mention or incorporate actual martial arts into their combat (Naruto, My Hero Academia, etc) so JJK's mentions of it is useful.
- 4,477
- 4,551
Probably has something to do with the nature of Hollow Purple. Whatever is made when Gojo creates Hollow Purple is something which is neither the repulsion of Red or attraction of Blue. The virtual matter or Negative Matter or whatever it actually is, probably interacts with space in a manner that allows Gojo to be damaged by the attack.
The idea that he can't maintain infinity or because its his own CT doesn't make much sense as both would be problems when using red and blue and that's never really brought up.
- 1,680
- 1,161
Because he's not as good as his previous self?
Like are we tryna ignore the blatant Ct damage he's going through. His CE control already dropped to dogshit levels from that. And his infinity WAS already disabled from interacting with Mahoraga. He was concentrated on pulling off that HP from afar, whilst boosting it with incantation, a AOE purple for the first time.
- 4,477
- 4,551
No, I'm just not ignoring the blatant statements of Gojo recovering his output. And you also seem to forget that Mahoraga wasn't in range to disable infinity in that final stretch of the fight.
And to say his CE control was at dogshit levels is insane, yeah his output was dropping but Gojo was still leagues and above anyone else there besides Sukuna. So ignoring the fact he recovered his output, maintaining infinity clearly wasn't a problem before he landed four or five black flashes.
- 92
- 51
What? Batman would definitely own Maki in a fight, he doesn't underestimate his opponents not matter their age, race or gender, if the opponent knows how to fight he deals with them with efficiency
- 1,680
- 1,161
Ur ignoring the fact that his brain damage IS quite literally centered on his CT
That same CT we're talking about that he's using. Which means the usual proficiency or control he has is not the same as before or comparable. This isn't just output but level of control.
We literally see Mahoraga slash, gojo loses his arm, Maho steps up, gojo's infinity drops, Sukuna comes in and does a kick.
He travels ahead and agito comes behind to land a hit on Gojo's head, it does little to gojo, who then reactivates infinity. All of which took time.
Even in previous interactions where gojo and maho come close, gojo is forced to dodge or block other incoming attacks from his other two opponents cuz of his infinity deactivating.
In ch235, Same happens and everything else is moving in a compressed time when they're up in the air and blue and red is coming close to fuse. Gojo hurries to Sukuna, then goes to chant and focus on unleashing AOE purple from afar for the first time whilst in a nerfed state.
But you think he can simultaneously activate neutral infinity in these circumstances.
Yes it is dogshit level when compared to his previous self when he wasn't nerfed.... Not to mention the burden on the brain with using his CT.
- 11,561
- 11,002
Giannysmag
He/Him- 4,390
- 7,556
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 21,592
- 9,173
