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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Da3ggman said:
Ngl that one panel has had me annoyed for the longest time. The **** mean “he probably would’ve won” without the ten shadows? Without the 10 Shadows, Sukuna has a whopping 1 was to get though Infinity, and its through his Domain Expansion. You know, that thing that Gojo dealt with at the very goddamn start of the fight?

Seriously, he legit can’t do anything. Cleave? Blocked. Dismantle? Blocked. Fuga? Blocked. Physical Attacks? Blocked.

The only chance he has is by draining down Gojo’s insane CE reserve to deactivate infinity, which ain’t very likely to happen now that Gojo doesn’t have to waste it on RCT from fighting Mahoraga and his slashes.

Gojo would absolutely beat True Form Sukuna (unless there’s something I’m missing, in which case please inform me).
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Da3ggman said:
Ngl that one panel has had me annoyed for the longest time. The **** mean “he probably would’ve won” without the ten shadows? Without the 10 Shadows, Sukuna has a whopping 1 was to get though Infinity, and its through his Domain Expansion. You know, that thing that Gojo dealt with at the very goddamn start of the fight?

Seriously, he legit can’t do anything. Cleave? Blocked. Dismantle? Blocked. Fuga? Blocked. Physical Attacks? Blocked.

The only chance he has is by draining down Gojo’s insane CE reserve to deactivate infinity, which ain’t very likely to happen now that Gojo doesn’t have to waste it on RCT from fighting Mahoraga and his slashes.

Gojo would absolutely beat True Form Sukuna (unless there’s something I’m missing, in which case please inform me).
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Domain Amplification is still a viable option for him to get through infinity. Outside of that, Sukuna was still winning the domain clashes and throughout the fight he was prioritizing Mahoraga adapting to Gojo rather than just pulling out Fuga or something the moment Unlimited Void collapsed and Gojo's infinity would've been disabled
 
Da3ggman said:
Ngl that one panel has had me annoyed for the longest time. The **** mean “he probably would’ve won” without the ten shadows? Without the 10 Shadows, Sukuna has a whopping 1 was to get though Infinity, and its through his Domain Expansion. You know, that thing that Gojo dealt with at the very goddamn start of the fight?

Seriously, he legit can’t do anything. Cleave? Blocked. Dismantle? Blocked. Fuga? Blocked. Physical Attacks? Blocked.

The only chance he has is by draining down Gojo’s insane CE reserve to deactivate infinity, which ain’t very likely to happen now that Gojo doesn’t have to waste it on RCT from fighting Mahoraga and his slashes.

Gojo would absolutely beat True Form Sukuna (unless there’s something I’m missing, in which case please inform me).
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People think sukuna true form would dominate in H2H cuz more hands... Ignoring how Gojo was folding Sukuna and 2 shadows in a 3v1

Like what sukuna gonna do? 2 extra arms still are 2 less arms than what Gojo was winning against.

Legit his only winco was the domain expansion and Gojo ate that like a champ
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Domain Amplification is still a viable option for him to get through infinity. Outside of that, Sukuna was still winning the domain clashes and throughout the fight he was prioritizing Mahoraga adapting to Gojo rather than just pulling out Fuga or something the moment Unlimited Void collapsed and Gojo's infinity would've been disabled
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Given how it seems like has has to turn off his sure-hit for the fire arrow and that it seems to have a charge time that is just long enough to make it avoidable for characters as vigilant as the two of them...
 
Da3ggman said:
Ngl that one panel has had me annoyed for the longest time. The **** mean “he probably would’ve won” without the ten shadows? Without the 10 Shadows, Sukuna has a whopping 1 was to get though Infinity, and its through his Domain Expansion. You know, that thing that Gojo dealt with at the very goddamn start of the fight?

Seriously, he legit can’t do anything. Cleave? Blocked. Dismantle? Blocked. Fuga? Blocked. Physical Attacks? Blocked.

The only chance he has is by draining down Gojo’s insane CE reserve to deactivate infinity, which ain’t very likely to happen now that Gojo doesn’t have to waste it on RCT from fighting Mahoraga and his slashes.

Gojo would absolutely beat True Form Sukuna (unless there’s something I’m missing, in which case please inform me).
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simply put sukuna's whole play with 10S was for improvement as we can see right now that he could use a hell of a lot more during the domain expansions then he did, he was basically playing the game at max risk for max reward, he could've always went true form boosted his domain with chants and match gojo's CqC with 4 arms and possibly komotuke (which might've been able to blast the outer shell from outside but thats a maybe) and also could've used furnace/divine flame to further pile on the damage on gojo and weaken his RCT to the point where going for the 4th DE would be impossible due to brain damage.

Sukuna had dozens of other options and yet he chose the most convoluted and dangerus one in 10S for the sake of yoinking maho's adaptation to infinity for himself.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Given how it seems like has has to turn off his sure-hit for the fire arrow and that it seems to have a charge time that is just long enough make it avoidable for characters as vigilant as the two of them...
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Not saying it would've fully worked, but it would be a possibility. Outside of that can't really think of anything else unless Sukuna pulls out something else cooking related that hasn't been seen
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
People think sukuna true form would dominate in H2H cuz more hands... Ignoring how Gojo was folding Sukuna and 2 shadows in a 3v1

Like what sukuna gonna do? 2 extra arms still are 2 less arms than what Gojo was winning against.

Legit his only winco was the domain expansion and Gojo ate that like a champ
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are we really gonna put maho and agito on gojo and sukuna level?

their 4 arms combined would barely be worth 1 of either one of them.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
simply put sukuna's whole play with 10S was for improvement as we can see right now that he could use a hell of a lot more during the domain expansions then he did, he was basically playing the game at max risk for max reward, he could've always went true form boosted his domain with chants and match gojo's CqC with 4 arms and possibly komotuke (which might've been able to blast the outer shell from outside but thats a maybe) and also could've used furnace/divine flame to further pile on the damage on gojo and weaken his RCT to the point where going for the 4th DE would be impossible due to brain damage.

Sukuna had dozens of other options and yet he chose the most convoluted and dangerus one in 10S for the sake of yoinking maho's adaptation to infinity for himself.
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I'm not gonna act like anything about this hypothetical fight is decisive because it seems to be a canonical incon. That being said...

-He was trying to get Unlimited Void out of the way because "it would be a real pain." That says a lot
-We don't know if additional incantations and hand seals apply to domains
-He didn't have Kamutoke on him, and if he did I would assume Gojo would try to disarm him
-As for the flames, see the above
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
We don't know if additional incantations apply to domains
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barrier techniques can use incantations (and handsigns ) we see that in jjk 0
Sir_Marvulous said:
He didn't have Kamutoke on him, and if he did I would assume Gojo would try to disarm him
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could've just had it on him if he wanted to but specifically kept it out of the fight and as a backup for higaruma, and yeah good luck taking that thing out of the hands of a man that can just plop it into his own shadow if needed.
Sir_Marvulous said:
As for the flames, see the above
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I mean sure gojo could notice it but whats he gonna do rush at sukuna without his CT? that will get him into the epicenter of the fire explosion if he does that, run away? yeah good luck outrunning that projectile that was not only quicker than maho's regen finishing and also just so happens to have a 360 meter wide blast diameter
 
Sir_sun_man said:
barrier techniques can use incantations (and handsigns ) we see that in jjk 0
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Duh. My point is that we don't know if Sukuna's additional empowering words and hand seals apply to his domain. We don't know if that even applies to domains at all. You know he would've especially abused the SHIT out of the former with his incomplete domain
Sir_sun_man said:
could've just had it on him if he wanted to but specifically kept it out of the fight and as a backup for higaruma, and yeah good luck taking that thing out of the hands of a man that can just plop it into his own shadow if needed.
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We're talking true form. He doesn't have the Ten Shadows technique
Sir_sun_man said:
I mean sure gojo could notice it but whats he gonna do rush at sukuna without his CT? that will get him into the epicenter of the fire explosion if he does that, run away? yeah good luck outrunning that projectile that was not only quicker than maho's regen finishing and also just so happens to have a 360 meter wide blast diameter
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Again, that probably has a long enough charge time to be that large. And I doubt Gojo would just let him charge that up if he knows he can't get out of it given his burnt out technique and him sensing the spark of a high-output attack. There's also the possibility that the blast expansion speed is subpar to MHS Gojo and Sukuna

Also if Sukuna can tank that shit then Gojo probably can too
 
Question: Since Satoru Gojo is considered the fastest Sorcerer during Shibuya incident, faster than Naobito and Naoya who has Transonic speed?. Shouldn't his (Post-Awakening Key) have "At least Transonic" speed?
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Question: Since Satoru Gojo is considered the fastest Sorcerer during Shibuya incident, faster than Naobito and Naoya who has Transonic speed?. Shouldn't his (Post-Awakening Key) have "At least Transonic" speed?
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That was years before and there's no direct link

...from statements, that is

Post-Awakening Gojo low-diffs Toji's speed, the same level of speed displayed by Maki, who blitzed Mach 3 Naoya midair

The meta answer is that the profiles haven't been updated. Also, no one has calced Maki's feat yet
 
Sir_sun_man said:
up to a point, gojo could've finished the fight quickly but he decided to take his time while his 16 year old student was taking on a cult leader alone. Racially motivated.
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Yuta's initiation. Yuta knew what it was.

Sir_sun_man said:
semantics of a murderer not willing to admit that he is a murderer
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Gojo's just cleaning up the city. Sanitation work.

Sir_sun_man said:
for his own good as having a father who is a zenin member and a mercenary is not child friendly, ah used his brain you mean? wife died no divorce
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Sold his child off for money*
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Question: Since Satoru Gojo is considered the fastest Sorcerer during Shibuya incident, faster than Naobito and Naoya who has Transonic speed?. Shouldn't his (Post-Awakening Key) have "At least Transonic" speed?
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Sir_Marvulous said:
That was years before and there's no direct link

...from statements, that is

Post-Awakening Gojo low-diffs Toji's speed, the same level of speed displayed by Maki, who blitzed Mach 3 Naoya midair

The meta answer is that the profiles haven't been updated. Also, no one has calced Maki's feat yet
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There's also the fact that Gojo can kinda just teleport via Blue which could also be where the "fastest Sorcerer" thing for him comes from
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Teleportation doesn't rly correlate to speed but sure...
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I mean yeah teleportation isn't speed but it's more a case of how fast they can get from point a to point b. Plus Gojo's teleportation isn't even really teleportation, it's just a compression of space which makes him move really fast which is why I correlate it with his speed. Hakari and Kusakabe also correlate his teleportation/spatial compressions to his speed here.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
I mean yeah teleportation isn't speed but it's more a case of how fast they can get from point a to point b. Plus Gojo's teleportation isn't even really teleportation, it's just a compression of space which makes him move really fast which is why I correlate it with his speed. Hakari and Kusakabe also correlate his teleportation/spatial compressions to his speed here.
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Kusakabe actually directly calls out to (indirectly from the past) Kenjaku and (directly talking to him) Hakari being wrong on his teleportation part. Because he's not really going that fast. We even see him clasping his hands when doing that teleportation (against that rack guy. Forgot his name) which is implying that he's focusing on compressing space and coordinates.

Kusakabe tells Hakari that he's wrong for thinking it is speed based and corrects him with "It is a technique that compresses spare and coordinates", allowing teleportation. People have equated it to speed multiple times before but it really isn't Gojo going that super duper fast.

He's literally just teleporting (Gojo even calls it teleportation. The guy who created it and understands the inner workings of it better than anybody else. Kusakabe too calls it that and gives a deeper insight into the mechanics of it, which shows him being #2 when it comes to understanding the teleportation technique.)

Anybody else that says otherwise in the series is wrong, or has a slight misconception of it, OR it could just be a way of saying how quick a character can get to point A to point B, which isn't raw speed, but still very weird.

But given how Kusakabe disagreed with Hakari.. It seems like them having a misconception is no surprise. Or could just be Gege retconning things, which he does a lot. We see Kusakabe using an explanation VERY similar to sterographic projection, something which Gege and T-San had discussed before about for Infinity.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
I mean yeah teleportation isn't speed but it's more a case of how fast they can get from point a to point b. Plus Gojo's teleportation isn't even really teleportation, it's just a compression of space which makes him move really fast which is why I correlate it with his speed. Hakari and Kusakabe also correlate his teleportation/spatial compressions to his speed here.
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Shunkan Idō 瞬 間移動 literally means the "teleportation" kind of instantaneous movement. This is the exact same word used for Goku's instant transmission, which is also described as teleportation
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Kusakabe actually directly calls out to (indirectly from the past) Kenjaku and (directly talking to him) Hakari being wrong on his teleportation part. Because he's not really going that fast. We even see him clasping his hands when doing that teleportation (against that rack guy. Forgot his name) which is implying that he's focusing on compressing space and coordinates.

Kusakabe tells Hakari that he's wrong for thinking it is speed based and corrects him with "It is a technique that compresses spare and coordinates", allowing teleportation. People have equated it to speed multiple times before but it really isn't Gojo going that super duper fast.

He's literally just teleporting (Gojo even calls it teleportation. The guy who created it and understands the inner workings of it better than anybody else. Kusakabe too calls it that and gives a deeper insight into the mechanics of it, which shows him being #2 when it comes to understanding the teleportation technique.)

Anybody else that says otherwise in the series is wrong, or has a slight misconception of it, OR it could just be a way of saying how quick a character can get to point A to point B, which isn't raw speed, but still very weird.

But given how Kusakabe disagreed with Hakari.. It seems like them having a misconception is no surprise. Or could just be Gege retconning things, which he does a lot. We see Kusakabe using an explanation VERY similar to sterographic projection, something which Gege and T-San had discussed before about for Infinity.
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Motherf*cker you ninja'd my first ever, scan-supported "uhm the Japanese raws actually say ☝️🤓"
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Kusakabe actually directly calls out to (indirectly from the past) Kenjaku and (directly talking to him) Hakari being wrong on his teleportation part. Because he's not really going that fast. We even see him clasping his hands when doing that teleportation (against that rack guy. Forgot his name) which is implying that he's focusing on compressing space and coordinates.

Kusakabe tells Hakari that he's wrong for thinking it is speed based and corrects him with "It is a technique that compresses spare and coordinates", allowing teleportation. People have equated it to speed multiple times before but it really isn't Gojo going that super duper fast.

He's literally just teleporting (Gojo even calls it teleportation. The guy who created it and understands the inner workings of it better than anybody else. Kusakabe too calls it that and gives a deeper insight into the mechanics of it, which shows him being #2 when it comes to understanding the teleportation technique.)

Anybody else that says otherwise in the series is wrong, or has a slight misconception of it, OR it could just be a way of saying how quick a character can get to point A to point B, which isn't raw speed, but still very weird.

But given how Kusakabe disagreed with Hakari.. It seems like them having a misconception is no surprise. Or could just be Gege retconning things, which he does a lot. We see Kusakabe using an explanation VERY similar to sterographic projection, something which Gege and T-San had discussed before about for Infinity.
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Sir_Marvulous said:
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Shunkan Idō 瞬 間移動 literally means "teleportation"
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God damn it, after I sent that post I literally thought to myself "Man I worded that like shit, hopefully people get what I was trying to say" and turns out I should've just edited my post.

Anyways, I wasn't trying to say it wasn't teleportation, I just worded it like absolute shit. I was more trying to say how his teleportation could be used as and could be correlated to speed and why it could be used as for why he's said to be the fastest sorcerer. Honestly me saying it wasn't really teleportation was an error on my part.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
God damn it, after I sent that post I literally thought to myself "Man I worded that like shit, hopefully people get what I was trying to say" and turns out I should've just edited my post.

Anyways, I wasn't trying to say it wasn't teleportation, I just worded it like absolute shit. I was more trying to say how his teleportation could be used as and could be correlated to speed and why it could be used as for why he's said to be the fastest sorcerer. Honestly me saying it wasn't really teleportation was an error on my part.
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Sure, but we're talking about Post-Awakening Gojo, who only started working on teleportation via the Limitless somewhere within a year after his awakening
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
3.png

Shunkan Idō 瞬 間移動 literally means the "teleportation" kind of instantaneous movement. This is the exact same word used for Goku's instant transmission, which is also described as teleportation
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Sir_Marvulous said:
Motherf*cker you ninja'd my first ever, scan-supported "uhm the Japanese raws actually say ☝️🤓"
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Speaking of which, does anyone know of any reliable hosts of raw Jujutsu Kaisen scans? It was a bitch to just look for the one above
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Speaking of which, does anyone know of any reliable hosts of raw Jujutsu Kaisen scans? It was a bitch to just look for the one above
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I already have all the volume scans installed. (meaning they're the latest, if Gege ever did any editing on statements) But there's also this site called https://***********.to/read/jujutsu-kaisen-168/ja/chapter-51
"***********.to"
It has the raw jap scans HQ. If the link doesn't work then I can send it through imgur where vsbw doesn't censor it.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Motherf*cker you ninja'd my first ever, scan-supported "uhm the Japanese raws actually say ☝️🤓"
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I've actually looked deep into this scan and the Kenjaku one several times before bro. Knowledge gap neg diff gg.

I honestly think there might be a retcon for his teleportation, that or people were just misunderstanding it in verse (not the first time characters in canon misunderstand others or techniques tbh. U have Kenjaku not expecting gojo to be alive from him putting him deep into that trench with other various traps after he gets released, aka he underestimated gojo)
The T-San convo with Gege with how they talk about sterographic projection, was after the kenny statement about blue btw.
 
Reminder
If yall wanna find raw volume scans, go to nyaa . Si (remove the space between the dot and letters. I wrote it that way so that vsbw doesn't censor it). It has vol 0, to all the way to vol 26.
There is also a site that has all the raw jap scans of jjk too, up to latest released chapter.
*********** [.] [To] (same thing with the dot stuff)
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Reminder
If yall wanna find raw volume scans, go to nyaa . Si (remove the space between the dot and letters. I wrote it that way so that vsbw doesn't censor it). It has vol 0, to all the way to vol 26.
There is also a site that has all the raw jap scans of jjk too, up to latest released chapter.
*********** [.] [To] (same thing with the dot stuff)
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Nvm didn't work. Imgur should work in showing the link (check description of this imgur)
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Duh. My point is that we don't know if Sukuna's additional empowering words and hand seals apply to his domain. We don't know if that even applies to domains at all. You know he would've especially abused the SHIT out of the former with his incomplete domain
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true but he also didn't use incantations when it would've been useful during their fights so ya. (makes me think gege just forgot to be honest)
Sir_Marvulous said:
We're talking true form. He doesn't have the Ten Shadows technique
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true still taking away the tool is not a simple task especially in the middle of domain expansion, I mean really will gojo be thinking about trying to take the tool away from sukuna while he is getting both slashed and blasted to kindom come by a thunderbolt the size of a building constantly or will he much like in the original fight try to hit the legs?
Sir_Marvulous said:
Again, that probably has a long enough charge time to be that large. And I doubt Gojo would just let him charge that up if he knows he can't get out of it given his burnt out technique and him sensing the spark of a high-output attack. There's also the possibility that the blast expansion speed is subpar to MHS Gojo and Sukuna
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dude we literally see that sukuna can use 2 out of 4 arms to unleash that thing when ever, the only time there has been a "charge" period is when sukuna was playing around with jogo, when maho was regenerating and it was almost finished sukuna pulled that thing out before the regen fully finished (and that takes seconds from what we've seen) and blasted maho into kindom come with a fire arrow that was about 10 million times more powerful than the one he smacked jogo with and even now before yuji could figure out whats happening when the duct tape and glue shrine finished slashing and he already had the fire arrow out and ready to fire.

That things charge up time is rather low all things considered.
Sir_Marvulous said:
Also if Sukuna can tank that shit then Gojo probably can too
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my good man its made out of sukuna's CE course he can tank that shit, kinda like how gojo can tank a 100% purple blowing up over his own head.
 
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