Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Sir_Marvulous]

Does he though? I don't remember Kusakabe's explanation saying anything about speed. It's more like, it adds a wierd pulling effect that increased damage, isn't it?

I say it like that because the strong force of attraction by Blue pulls his fists

The exact wording is that it feels like getting clocked by a counter-attack

 

[Duedate8898]

But I do. That was a weakened Sukuna. And that's a different Gojo too, Teen Gojo couldn't do anything to Toji in terms of physical strength while Blue could move Toji away (even though Toji could get away with his speed).

I think Rosa's talking about the brief physical exchange that Gojo has with Sukuna while he's using Domain Amplification where Gojo wouldn't be able to use Blue to Enhance his punches. That and Gojo and Sukuna are able to swap hands pretty comparatively with and without Gojo having access to his blue enhanced punches, showing that there isn't that meaningful of a difference between the two.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

We can say Gojo's movement speed is what gets increased

Isn't there was a visual representation of Gojo pulling Sukuna in for a punch with Blue?

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Kaisen Backup got it right from leaks release.

Ye somewhat even though the dialogue was confusing when I read it after leaks dropped.

 

[Arkenis]

Isn't there was a visual representation of Gojo pulling Sukuna in for a punch with Blue?

this?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

this?

I remember another scan where arrow mark was drawn. Or may be I'm just imagining it lol. Let me read those chapters again.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Isn't there was a visual representation of Gojo pulling Sukuna in for a punch with Blue?

Are you perhaps referring to the punch right before Kusakabe talks about Gojo's Limitless punches?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Why we acting like his future students doing shit to pre rct gojo still. The only ones who could reliably give trouble here is Yuta and that's only because of his domain.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Are you perhaps referring to the punch right before Kusakabe talks about Gojo's Limitless punches?

This scan I think.

 

[JnSteHar002]

I say it like that because the strong force of attraction by Blue pulls his fists

The exact wording is that it feels like getting clocked by a counter-attack

When I hear counter-attack, I think of a second strike. Given the context as well, it looks to me like a 2 for the price of one deal; one attack but double the power.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Wow SD
Wow FB
Yuta only one giving trouble before gojo can blitz him.
Hmmmmmmm.

 

[M3X_2.0]

It's insane how everyone here has a different take regarding these characters but nothing of what it's said here goes to the profile.

Not in a million years we will rate Teen Gojo with enough speed to blitz anyone in the Shinjuku Showdown Arc with the exception of Ino and maybe one or two more characters.

 

[Damage3245]

Here's a fun scenario; instead of weakened Sukuna, what would happen if Kashimo and everyone else who entered the battle after him tried to jump Gojo instead. Could a post-Sukuna battle Gojo fight them all off?

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

so it comes to no surprise that we find out Gojo and Geto were specifically chosen for this mission due to them being "the strongest" (

This is agenda-based extrapolation, and there's nothing suggesting this is the reason

Like, other than the obvious "two grade-1 level sorcerers" that have worked together before, it makes sense for them to be chosen

Gojo's strength being "famous" and well known

yeah, the limitless six eyes user, no shit he's gonna be famous. He's also been famous SPECIFICALLY for having that gift

This strength is also known to Gojo and Geto and is a significant enough gap that they're confident that they could betray and fight off jujutsu society for fun because of how much stronger they are to everyone around them

Who? Yaga and some other unknown, featless grade 1s? Nice one

(meaning it's a widely agreed upon fact, so much so that even children such as Naoya were aware of Gojo's overwhelming power)

Never stated, NOR is it stated to be Pre RCT Gojo he's talking about

Also Naoya is only 1 year younger than Gojo...

volume summary of the arc detailing Toji's most impressive feat as being able to trouble Gojo in battle

holy f*cking shit, what the ****. Listing something they did is them saying that's his best possible attribute pertaining to his fighting power????

en if you want to argue Gojo and Geto would beat Naobito via out-haxing him and he has superior stats (unlikely given the context of them fighting alone, with Naobito was relevant Tengen would send him too), he can't be a perception blitz level greater than them given he'd lose in a fight.

This literally happens in the series.

Maki is a bad blitz below Naoya, and she can eventually beat him. Regardless, all Tengen really knows is it's the limitless six eyes user, so it makes more sense sending the person who fate is aligned with than some capable sorcerer like Naobito, despite Naobito being the fastest sorcerer by far at the time

he even admits to himself that if Gojo wasn't fatigued and injured then he likely would've lost

Never stated

When Toji sneak attacked Gojo during casual conversation Gojo was able to react to the blade entering his torso fast enough to reinforce his organs before it reached them,

that's not even a reaction speed feat, as it's likely instinctual

Rosa logic: "Todo is way faster than Mahito, because he can reinforce his insides in the middle of the black flash!!!"

s for Gojo's striking power specifically, his blue is at the very least capable of damaging Toji and his strikes shouldn't be that much weaker due to the feats in the Sukuna fight

Blue blasts aren't ap feats, it's purely an attractive crushing force

As for Geto's performance, Toji literally amplified his physical capabilities with a binding vow and yet Geto was capable of evading Toji's charge before getting sliced whilst in shock at his CT seemingly not working

Toji is literally playing with his ass. We have no basis for a binding vow aiding Toji this way

There's also just the narrative of Gojo as someone with the same potential as sorcerers such as Yuji, Yuta, Hakari, Higuruma, all of them who are reaching these insane levels early on in life,

We have no basis for Teen Gojo's training

Although, even then, we know Gojo even as a kid knew high level anti-domain techniques like falling blossom emotion, so I can see pre-RCT Gojo and Yuki having ambiguity around it.

It has 0 Ambiguity. Yuki Tsukumo punches through him, and wins 0 diff. Falling Blossom emotion is the worst anti-domain technique, and worst case scenario, she punches through it


Rosa has a bad habit of BADLY exaggerating things

"This guy turned 294.2385428395772983475982350 degrees while this person was in the middle of attacking"

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Here's a fun scenario; instead of weakened Sukuna, what would happen if Kashimo and everyone else who entered the battle after him tried to jump Gojo instead. Could a post-Sukuna battle Gojo fight them all off?

Gojo regained his output fully by narrative so he should win against them.
But if Gojo was in Sukuna's place like his output is low he would die right after Higuruma domain. Lol.

 

[Quantu]

Gojo regained his output fully by narrative so he should but if Gojo was in Sukuna's place like his output is low he would die right after Higuruma domain. Lol.

The Shinjuku squad when BF awakened Gojo teleports kilometers into the sky and spams Reds/Purples/Blue Orbs

 

[M3X_2.0]

Gojo regained his output fully by narrative so he should but if Gojo was in Sukuna's place like his output is low he would die right after Higuruma domain. Lol.

This. Higuruma would confiscate Limitless. Gojo would be fighting Higuruma + Yuji and then Yuta would come to finish the job.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The Shinjuku squad when BF awakened Gojo teleports kilometers into the sky and spams Reds/Purples/Blue Orbs

Yeah that's why I said if Gojo who regained his output fights the squad they are dead but if it's Gojo and Sukuna places gets swapped and Gojo is on low output Higuruma and Yuji should be able to pull it off. Weakened Gojo without Limitless ain't hanging around with the squad.

 

[Quantu]

Fair, Gojo in Sukuna's physical position would be so funny. Either Kashimo can bypass Infinity with some usage of his CT (X-rays or EMW's etc.) and owns a weakened one arm Gojo (who cannot have a free reincarnation) or Higuruma does him in and he gets jumped

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Real ones know that Sukuna could have oneshotted Gojo in one punch since the begin of their fight

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Fair, Gojo in Sukuna's physical position would be so funny. Either Kashimo can bypass Infinity with some usage of his CT (X-rays or EMW's etc.) and owns a weakened one arm Gojo (who cannot have a free reincarnation) or Higuruma does him in and he gets jumped

He would just gets poisoned by Yuji and Choso's blood once Higuruma removes his limitless technique. Maki can just sneak on Gojo with SSK.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I think Rosa's talking about the brief physical exchange that Gojo has with Sukuna while he's using Domain Amplification where Gojo wouldn't be able to use Blue to Enhance his punches. That and Gojo and Sukuna are able to swap hands pretty comparatively with and without Gojo having access to his blue enhanced punches, showing that there isn't that meaningful of a difference between the two.

that's when Sukuna is likely holding back

What I think is Sukuna "held back" In certain parts of their exchanges, because there, despite having a 120% amp, he still matched a non-blue amped Gojo. There, he's holding back in order to wait for Mahoraga to gain the world slash

faaax

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Here's a fun scenario; instead of weakened Sukuna, what would happen if Kashimo and everyone else who entered the battle after him tried to jump Gojo instead. Could a post-Sukuna battle Gojo fight them all off?

Gojo in Sukuna's exact conditions would die cuz he doesn't have reincarnation

So let's switch it up. What if he has the same injuries as Sukuna post-Unlimited Purple but has his restored RCT output?

 

[Duedate8898]

that's when Sukuna is likely holding back

What I think is Sukuna "held back" In certain parts of their exchanges, because there, despite having a 120% amp, he still matched a non-blue amped Gojo. There, he's holding back in order to wait for Mahoraga to gain the world slash

It doesn't matter if Sukuna's holding back because the focus is on Gojo here. If Gojo can effectively combat and hurt Sukuna with and without his blue-enhanced punches then the difference in AP isn't so big downscaling is unreasonable.

 

[Rosa]

This is agenda-based extrapolation, and there's nothing suggesting this is the reason

"Anyway, it should be okay. We're the strongest, that's why master Tengen asked for us" [chapter 66] please explain how me interpreting from this that they were chosen for their strength is "agenda-based"?

yeah, the limitless six eyes user, no shit he's gonna be famous. He's also been famous SPECIFICALLY for having that gift

"so you're the famous Gojo Satoru? I've heard your strong" [chapter 66] yet I'm just ASSUMING his popularity is about strength? Do you have any basis to say otherwise or is this just contrived scepticism?

Who? Yaga and some other unknown, featless grade 1s? Nice one

So all of jujutsu society is "unknown, featless grade 1s"?

Never stated, NOR is it stated to be Pre RCT Gojo he's talking about

Toji died the same day Gojo awakened, so if Naoya is thinking back to a time where Gojo and Toji mutually existed as peaks of the jujutsu world it's clearly going to be his pre-awakened state.

Listing something they did is them saying that's his best possible attribute pertaining to his fighting power????

If I'm listing why someone is strong and notable and I have two feats to chose from, I'd go with the most impressive feat, so when the narrator is trying to paint us a picture of measuring and quantifying a person's power we should take the feats listed as an assessment of their upper end capabilities. At the very least, the wording where they specify Toji only caused injury to Gojo, never challenging him, surpassing him, etc., also has some heavy implications.

This literally happens in the series.

Maki is a bad blitz below Naoya, and she can eventually beat him. Regardless, all Tengen really knows is it's the limitless six eyes user, so it makes more sense sending the person who fate is aligned with than some capable sorcerer like Naobito, despite Naobito being the fastest sorcerer by far at the time

Maki isn't a blitz level below Naoya, the opposite is true, but we've debated that topic a total of 3 times on this thread where each time it comes down to you refusing to engage and pivoting so I'd rather not engage with this cope that Naoya was actually a blitz level above a character who he couldn't react to the punches of.

Show me Naobito being the fastest of this time too.

Never stated

Chapter 73, when reflecting on if he could've fought Gojo without first inducing the chest wound he says it wouldn't have been smart to do so and would've been too risky for him.

that's not even a reaction speed feat, as it's likely instinctual

Rosa logic: "Todo is way faster than Mahito, because he can reinforce his insides in the middle of the black flash!!!"

That's not comparable. Mahito ran several meters to cross the distance which gave Todo time to react, with Todo being on-guard the entire time, Gojo reacted AS the sword was going through his body. I.e. in the time it takes Toji's arm to extend from the outer layers of Gojo's skin to his heart or lungs Gojo channelled his CE through his body from an off-guard position.

Blue blasts aren't ap feats, it's purely an attractive crushing force

Which is AP... AP and striking strength are separate for a reason, your AP includes the damage / force you can emit through your abilities also.

Toji is literally playing with his ass. We have no basis for a binding vow aiding Toji this way

"revealing certain information can actually give you an advantage" [chapter 73] yet we're supposed to expect that Toji's BV didn't give him an advantage? Do you need me to also quote Nanami's explanation to Yuji on what binding vows related to revealing one's abilities do?

We have no basis for Teen Gojo's training

I don't see how that's relevant to my point of Gojo having insane potential. Also, we literally see Gojo and Geto frequently sparring with one another and, after fighting Toji, we see him talking about his TRAINING OF HIS CT and even asking Shoko to make him a combat course with test dummies to fight but yea... teen Gojo never trained 100%

It has 0 Ambiguity. Yuki Tsukumo punches through him, and wins 0 diff. Falling Blossom emotion is the worst anti-domain technique, and worst case scenario, she punches through it

This isn't super relevant but I disagree with all of this, it's just baseless assertions tbh

Rosa has a bad habit of BADLY exaggerating things

"This guy turned 294.2385428395772983475982350 degrees while this person was in the middle of attacking"

Notice how I never said anything like this? I said he turned 180 degrees... because he made a complete U-turn... which is 180 degrees... but yea, I have a bad habit of exaggerating things!

 

[Arkenis]

There's a limit of two times per person

Yuji: Kusakabe (CE manip & Barrier Tech), Shoko (RCT)

Yuta: IDK (possibly Kirara and Hakari)

Miwa: NO ONE SHES HER (pointless)

Hakari: IDK

Maki: NO ONE SHES HER (pointless)

Ino: IDK (He's always been him)

Choso: Kusakabe (how tf is he doing it?)

Hope this body switching leads to why they win (Hakari and Uraume died after Uraume put Hakari in a popsicle)

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

"Anyway, it should be okay. We're the strongest, that's why master Tengen asked for us" [chapter 66] please explain how me interpreting from this that they were chosen for their strength is "agenda-based"?

They don’t know that though

All they know is what Yaga told them, and he didn’t say that

So all of jujutsu society is "unknown, featless grade 1s"?

Yeah, basically

"so you're the famous Gojo Satoru? I've heard your strong" [chapter 66] yet I'm just ASSUMING his popularity is about strength? Do you have any basis to say otherwise or is this just contrived scepticism?

You can’t deduce an exact power level from that though

Toji died the same day Gojo awakened, so if Naoya is thinking back to a time where Gojo and Toji mutually existed as peaks of the jujutsu world it's clearly going to be his pre-awakened state.

You’re assuming that though, we don’t know why he thought about Gojo when he was a Teen. Toji never looked like he did in the flashbacks

The Toji in Naoya’s flashbacks is Toji Zen’in from when Naoya was a kid. The Gojo from the flashbacks is just genetically what Gojo looked like as a student.

There’s no way to prove it’s him taking about them how they were at the same time.

Point is, Toji dogs on a healthy Gojo

That's not comparable. Mahito ran several meters to cross the distance which gave Todo time to react, with Todo being on-guard the entire time, Gojo reacted AS the sword was going through his body. I.e. in the time it takes Toji's arm to extend from the outer layers of Gojo's skin to his heart or lungs Gojo channelled his CE through his body from an off-guard position

Todo hadn’t been hit by the black flash yet. You’re assuming this to wank Gojo very clearly

Notice how I never said anything like this? I said he turned 180 degrees... because he made a complete U-turn... which is 180 degrees... but yea, I have a bad habit of exaggerating things!

You hype things up with your language and way of describing things to hype up characters. Someone moves 1.001x faster than another person? “Blitzed!!”

Someone damaged another person hard? “One shot!!!”

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Here's a fun scenario; instead of weakened Sukuna, what would happen if Kashimo and everyone else who entered the battle after him tried to jump Gojo instead. Could a post-Sukuna battle Gojo fight them all off?

Uh no lost arms and the like? He's just murdering them no issue, unlike Sukuna he suffers no wounds, has recovered his output far beyond what post gojo fight Sukuna did, has learned a superior way of using rct, BF strengthened him etc.
Not to mention his far superior combat skills and just how blue and red easily counters them all.
He's straight up murdering them no diff genuinely. We saw how fast Sukuna was when racing against Choso. Everybody there literally failed to react. Maki and Yuta would be better off but would most likely be blitzed easily too lol. And that's despite all the nerfs he suffered and now the students are gonna fight gojo who's far far stronger than that Sukuna? Rip em..

 

[Duedate8898]

There's a limit of two times per person

Yuji: Kusakabe (CE manip & Barrier Tech), Shoko (RCT)

Yuta: IDK (possibly Kirara and Hakari)

Miwa: NO ONE SHES HER (pointless)

Hakari: IDK

Maki: NO ONE SHES HER (pointless)

Ino: IDK (He's always been him)

Choso: Kusakabe (how tf is he doing it?)

Hope this body switching leads to why they win (Hakari and Uraume died after Uraume put Hakari in a popsicle)

Yuji: Kusakabe of course but Noritoshi is a good candidate as well for better blood manipulation understanding. Though more likely Yuta or Choso could work out as well since they can also pass on general skills and not just RCT like Shoko would.
Yuta: Hakari for sure, the new domain stuff and the moving of his barrier in the same way Hakari did for his fight I think makes him an obvious pick. And Yuji could work for an angle of helping both better realize Shrine when both gets their hands on it since Yuta probably unlocked Shrine ahead of Yuji during the timeskip.

 

[Rosa]

They don’t know that though

All they know is what Yaga told them, and he didn’t say that

That's what we saw of the scene, they could have additional interactions or unspoken implications, either way we have a statement within the series of this being the reason. Denying that with no basis is peak "agenda-based" scaling.

Yeah, basically

Then you're wrong, and I demonstrated why you're wrong in my post when discussing why Naobito is so impressive.

You can’t deduce an exact power level from that though

From what? We don't know how precise or detailed the rumours about him are, all we know is his strength is known to a degree.

You’re assuming that though, we don’t know why he thought about Gojo when he was a Teen. Toji never looked like he did in the flashbacks

The Toji in Naoya’s flashbacks is Toji Zen’in from when Naoya was a kid. The Gojo from the flashbacks is just genetically what Gojo looked like as a student.

Naoya is envisioning them standing TOGETHER at the peak of jujutsu society, the onus is on you to say he's not thinking of the several years Toji and Gojo co-existed but instead of the hyper specific time frame of Gojo in his final year as a student vs a decade older Toji.

Todo hadn’t been hit by the black flash yet. You’re assuming this to wank Gojo very clearly

What exactly are you saying here, because nothing in my response rests upon the premise that Todo has experience being hit by the black flash. Todo was on-guard and had time to react to Mahito charging at him from his front, Gojo was off-guard getting sneaked from behind from mere inches away. Completely different scenarios.

You hype things up with your language and way of describing things to hype up characters. Someone moves 1.001x faster than another person? “Blitzed!!”

Someone damaged another person hard? “One shot!!!”

When have I ever done this? Because you think Naoya landing a hit on Maki whilst she blocks and parries his strikes before knocking him out with her first and only attempt at an attack is him "badly blitzing" her lmfaoooo, or like how you think Yuki punching through Kenjaku's arms means she can punch through the chest of anyone in the verse, or like how you think Naobito being the fastest in 2018 must mean he was the fastest in 2006 and therefore capping Geto with no basis, or how you think Naoya would blitz Toji despite his entire life goal being to reach Toji's level, I could honestly go on. If you want to pivot away from a conversation by attacking the credibility of your opponent, at least come up with accusations that don't amount to self-projection (or, preferably, grow up and learn to have a good faith dialogue instead of these petty attacks on my credibility).

 

[M3X_2.0]

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

That's what we saw of the scene, they could have additional interactions or unspoken implications, either way we have a statement within the series of this being the reason. Denying that with no basis is peak "agenda-based" scaling.

Then you're wrong, and I demonstrated why you're wrong in my post when discussing why Naobito is so impressive.

From what? We don't know how precise or detailed the rumours about him are, all we know is his strength is known to a degree.

Naoya is envisioning them standing TOGETHER at the peak of jujutsu society, the onus is on you to say he's not thinking of the several years Toji and Gojo co-existed but instead of the hyper specific time frame of Gojo in his final year as a student vs a decade older Toji.

What exactly are you saying here, because nothing in my response rests upon the premise that Todo has experience being hit by the black flash. Todo was on-guard and had time to react to Mahito charging at him from his front, Gojo was off-guard getting sneaked from behind from mere inches away. Completely different scenarios.

When have I ever done this? Because you think Naoya landing a hit on Maki whilst she blocks and parries his strikes before knocking him out with her first and only attempt at an attack is him "badly blitzing" her lmfaoooo, or like how you think Yuki punching through Kenjaku's arms means she can punch through the chest of anyone in the verse, or like how you think Naobito being the fastest in 2018 must mean he was the fastest in 2006 and therefore capping Geto with no basis, or how you think Naoya would blitz Toji despite his entire life goal being to reach Toji's level, I could honestly go on. If you want to pivot away from a conversation by attacking the credibility of your opponent, at least come up with accusations that don't amount to self-projection (or, preferably, grow up and learn to have a good faith dialogue instead of these petty attacks on my credibility).

W cooking.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Current Choso Vs Shinjuku Higuruma

Who yall think that wins

 

[Rosa]

Choso a top 5 GOAT of JJK

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Current Choso Vs Shinjuku Higuruma

Who yall think that wins

Higuruma most likely. I don't think SD gonna stop his domain because of how it's conditional.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Higuruma most likely. I don't think SD gonna stop his domain because of how it's conditional.

I think it depends on how his Domain interprets an anti domain technique. Is it “violence” or not? I think a Simple Domain can resist Higuruma’s Domain.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

So.... is there anybody that, still believes or thinks Yuji got #1 talent or 3 after allat revealing from the manga about how they cheated and Kusakabe's statement?

 

[Duedate8898]

Current Choso Vs Shinjuku Higuruma

Who yall think that wins

Probably Higurama. Choso doesn't have a lot of crimes to draw on, so getting the death penalty feels pretty easy for Higurama and losing access to his CT would leave Choso with just pure hands and CE. Not good odds when someone is swinging an instakill sword at you.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I think it depends on how his Domain interprets an anti domain technique. Is it “violence” or not? I think a Simple Domain can resist Higuruma’s Domain.

If Choso resists Higuruma domain then Choso wins I guess. Higuruma gets Poisoned.