Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Yeah 8 BFs would amp 4.29981696x, not 9.6x

Also, assuming Yuji is Low 7-C from this, pretty sure an 8 BF Amp would give him like 7-C lol

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Precisely. Yuji is now like 2.5^ 8x over.

The ^2.5 figure is the strike itself. 120% is the amp

 

[Arkenis]

The ^2.5 figure is the strike itself. 120% is the amp

Nope he scales physically to his bf strikes now

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Sooo, the Official Fanbook's—now named The Official Character Guide—English translation was released today, and it is definitely a book.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

"2.5 times the power of a normal hit", btw.

 

[Quantu]

If units ever get clarified we're finished

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

"2.5 times the power of a normal hit", btw.

Since it's official, maybe Gege had something to do with that. He treated the ^2.5 figure like a joke after his editor told him it doesn't make sense without units

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Sooo, the Official Fanbook's—now named The Official Character Guide—English translation was released today, and it is definitely a book.

 

[Arkenis]

"2.5 times the power of a normal hit", btw.

yippeeee 8-A with Black Flash. Time to update the ap scaling yet again.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Ngl I'd be fine with defaulting Black Flash to a 2.5x amp, especially because I'm fairly sure even the anime changed it to 2.5x rather than ^2.5

 

[M3X_2.0]

2.5 times makes much more sense than power of 2.0. Gege got debunked by his own editor lmao.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

God-tier Black Flashes are 1.375 Megatons (Low 7-B), and Shibuya Incident High-tier Black Flashes are 137.5 Tons (8-A), looks like.

 

[Arkenis]

God-tier Black Flashes are 1.375 Megatons (Low 7-B), and Shibuya Incident High-tier Black Flashes are 137.5 Tons (8-A), looks like.

And then just back scale that and we got Low 7-B Sukuna and Gojo.

 

[CloverDragon03]

And then just back scale that and we got Low 7-B Sukuna and Gojo.

Uh, no. Sukuna and Gojo have the High 7-C+ value to scale to, then with Black Flash's 2.5x amp they become Low 7-B

 

[Arkenis]

Uh, no. Sukuna and Gojo have the High 7-C+ value to scale to, then with Black Flash's 2.5x amp they become Low 7-B

If you don't think ap, that's fine, but in reinforcement definitely. And Mahoraga tanked two black flashes so he definitely gets to be low 7-B, unless you think they just significantly dropped in stats in which case I can see.

 

[CloverDragon03]

You can survive attacks stronger than you and still be inferior. And the thing with AP is that it creates a cycle. We backscale Gojo and Sukuna, and that makes their BF AP even stronger, oh but they can take those Black Flashes so clearly they should be even stronger normally, oh but BF is a 2.5x amp so BF should be stronger, rinse and repeat.

It just means a 2.5x jump isn't a one-shot level jump in JJK

 

[Arkenis]

You can survive attacks stronger than you and still be inferior. And the thing with AP is that it creates a cycle. We backscale Gojo and Sukuna, and that makes their BF AP even stronger, oh but they can take those Black Flashes so clearly they should be even stronger normally, oh but BF is a 2.5x amp so BF should be stronger, rinse and repeat.

It just means a 2.5x jump isn't a one-shot level jump in JJK

But you are fine with Mahoraga being low7-b in dura?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

BF is a 2.5x amp

No, its not. Idk why people say that. The canon statement is ^2.5. Theres no reason to translate it to a multipler just because the canon doesn't make sense Plus, Gege said that he wanted to put ^2.5 instead of a normal multipler because its technically a bigger amp than a 10x or a 100x amp, so you could somewhat wank it

 

[CloverDragon03]

No, its not. Idk why people say that. The canon statement is ^2.5. Theres no reason to translate it to a multipler just because the canon doesn't make sense Plus, Gege said that he wanted to put ^2.5 instead of a normal multipler because its technically a bigger amp than a 10x or a 100x amp, so you could somewhat wank it

Me when the

"2.5 times the power of a normal hit", btw.

 

[Arkenis]

No, its not. Idk why people say that. The canon statement is ^2.5. Theres no reason to translate it to a multipler just because the canon doesn't make sense Plus, Gege said that he wanted to put ^2.5 instead of a normal multipler because its technically a bigger amp than a 10x or a 100x amp, so you could somewhat wank it

Late to the party are you?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Me when the

Me when not a reliabe translation and is contradicted by every other canon statement about the black flash

 

[Arkenis]

Me when not a reliabe translation and is contradicted by every other canon statement about the black flash

its from the official english translated guidebook

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

John Werry is also a official english translator

 

[Arkenis]

JJK is the new gen retcon king

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Oh, huh, you're right. "2・5乗" is "2.5th power".

 

[Nierre]

Plus, Gege said that he wanted to put ^2.5 instead of a normal multipler because its technically a bigger amp than a 10x or a 100x amp, so you could somewhat wank it

Personally think at least 10x is a fair lowball rather than shelving it all together, but not sure how sound that is in the context of the wiki

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

"Although, like with Kaio-Ken and Char's Zaky, multiplying is easy to understand and sounds strong... I, Akutami, sought something more impactful and thought of exponents. Ten times two is 20, but ten squared would be 100! Using exponents is stronger than using multiplication!"

Gege basically thinks he is smart but he is actually dumb
In a good world we would accept the 10x as a lowend

 

[Nullflowerblush]

New CRT, maybe?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Wouldn't be viable. Multipliers can't be reasoned off of something, they have to be explicitly stated.

 

[PowerToScale]

We are not doing this again. We aren't changing the elements of the story to just make it fit a powerscaling criteria or for it make sense for ourselves. Might as well include fanfiction if we are going down that route

 

[M3X_2.0]

Gege just fumbled with Black Flash unfortunately. His editor already proved how wonky it is and by feats it’s far from being the power of 2.5.

Just rate the characters as “higher with Black Flash” and that’s it.

Unless Gege retcons Black Flash in the next chapters, it should remain like that in the profiles.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Imagine if next chapter he explain that the base value of the black flash is joule lol

 

[PowerToScale]

The base values for anything should always be joules, tons of tnt is used to convey the energy released by explosions whereas joules is used for everything

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[PowerToScale]

I remember people being like "can't wait for his backstory" and "it must be tragic for him to turn out like this" while I'm just thinking that he evil because he is no sad backstory

 

[CloverDragon03]

I expected that. Never figured Sukuna would have a tragic backstory. But the recent influx of the idea that it's suddenly bad to have tragic villains and that we should return to villains that are evil for the sake of it is not one I understand, honestly...

Like, most villains that are just evil for the sake of it and not much else are not that good for a reason...

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I remember people being like "can't wait for his backstory" and "it must be tragic for him to turn out like this" while I'm just thinking that he evil because he is no sad backstory

LMAO.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Like, most villains that are just evil for the sake of it and not much else are not that good for a reason...

I know people who think villains has to be developed to become evil or they're bad villains.

I agree that someone like Griffith is a better character than Frieza, but Frieza is by far a better villain than him. The aura he had in DBZ and how you knew they were ****** when he appeared is something only he can achieve.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I know people who think villains has to be developed to become evil or they're bad villains.

I agree that someone like Griffith is a better character than Frieza, but Frieza is by far a better villain than him. The aura he had in DBZ and how you knew they were ****** when he appeared is something only he can achieve.

The problem is that Frieza is the exception, not the rule, and I'd argue nostalgia also plays a role in Frieza's beloved status. You'd be hard-pressed to find a good villain that's just evil for the sake of being evil. Fleshed-out motives simply work better more often than not

 

[M3X_2.0]

You'd be hard-pressed to find a good villain that's just evil for the sake of being evil.

Ganon, Bowser, Frieza, Majora, Palpatine, Michael Myers (and most horror movies villains), Unicron, Joker etc etc