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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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EldemadeDityjon
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Why this thread is so quiet today
Giannysmag
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You are right let me fix thatWhy this thread is so quiet today
@TheGunsFinalWrath @Guacamolefletcher Shinjuku Gojo high diffs Heian Sukuna thougths?
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oh I dono maybe because you can't go from 0 to 100 in speed instantly?
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which Heian Sukuna? True form or past?
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Guacamolefletcher
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Heian Sukuna > 10s 20f Meguna > Gojo
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TRUE
Guacamolefletcher
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He’s literally spitting facts but people don’t wanna hear it
He gets hit by a true power barrier less domain quicker than he can activate UV, and then Sukuna beats him
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If sukuna didn't have any knowledge advantage over gojo, or the 10S, and no student being in his way to hold back his lethality, I guarantee you that Gojo's low diffing to mid diffing Sukuna at best.
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Honestly even with the knowledge advantage and 10S, Gojo had a HUGE win con with UV (we're forgetting Gojo chose not to punch through Sukuna's head and instead destroy his organs so they can bring back Megumi later on), and even during the brain damaged portion of the fight if Gojo knew he'd take less damage from HP and wouldn't have to suppress it, then he again would've won as per Sukuna's own words. Sukuna's win con came at being on deaths door and landing an off guard attack via sacrificing a huge portion of his CT via a binding vow EVEN when he held the natural counter to Gojo's CT. You're telling me a WEAKER Sukuna without 10S is beating Gojo? Nah.
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you do know heian era sukuna is stronger than 10S sukuna right? like its sukuna with his full soul and 20F worth of CE, with 4 hands, a second mouth to constantly amp his jujutsu as well as all the bells and whistles of open domain, fire arrow and domain amplification.
Heian era sukuna would also not go for the more risky options in order to adapt to gojo as he won't be adapting he'll just domain till victory.
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Sukuna already made up for the lack of his final finger by eating his own corpse
What is it with this verse and eating things to get stronger?
What is it with this verse and eating things to get stronger?
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Heian era Sukuna is not weaker than 10s Sukuna. You’re smoking crack
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No. One possesses the ten shadows technique. The other possesses the greatest advantage any sorcerer can have. Also Heian era Sukuna has bigger muscles, and bigger muscles with the same amount of CE reinforcement yield different, greater resultsThey're equal
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"The greatest advantage a sorcerer can have" because he can amp his innate technique without strain. It is stated that his body is utterly immaculate and then promptly explained why
Second of all, Sukuna's inherently immense physical strength is displayed even in his vessels. Do note it's stated to be his and not Yuji's
And I sincerely doubt it could be Yuji's physical strength because he is just above the level of the average sorcerer at this point while Sukuna's own physical strength absolutely obliterates Megumi
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He already compensated for the last finger with a corpse
And stronger? Lol.
One has the 10S, that gives innate advantages aside from having Megumi as a shield to prevent gojo from going all out in lethality, alongside two memories of knowledge about gojo. (Yuji and Megumi). Not just that but he has Mahoraga THAT IS HIS ONLY WAY of winning.
Which will be USELESS if he wants to interact with Gojo and his infinity? Hello? Notwithstanding the fact that Gojo TANKED his domain. Tf some amped cleave and dismantle gonna do when he took on the most potent version of them?
Millions of them raining down. As for the 4 arms advantage.... Yeah he's still getting humbled in skill. And Gojo fought a 3vs1 already, with one trying to sneak around shots at him occasionally. That advantage is insignificant against Gojo. Cool. Nothing new.
And you think he can use any of these with DA on huh. Too bad.
Furthermore. DE >>>>>>>>>> Fire Arrow. That shi ain't doing anything.
No dude, that wasn't a risky option. It was the SAFEST option upon realizing he ain't winning without the 10S Strat. Well he already knew the risks beforehand given his reasoning for wanting the 10S, even narratively speaking.
and die in the second domain battle. very cool. At best he lasts till the third one.
Yall know that without any student holding gojo back in lethality, and no knowledge gap advantage over the other and no 10S, that gojo will literally start spamming his moves, right?
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It's stated and shown to us through the finger bearers that the fingers were growing in strength every day for 1,000 years, so I don't see why we'd assume heian era Sukuna is of the same level as a current 20F Sukuna.
Sukuna HAD to play it risky to maintain Mahoraga's adaptation, and if Sukuna didn't have Mahoraga adapt then he'd have no way to save himself from UV (since attacking the domain from the inside wouldn't help against Gojo's small domains). Also, it's stated Sukuna couldn't even protect himself from Gojo's sure hit during the clashes the entire time and was shielding himself with Megumi's soul, so remove that and even if Sukuna could win every domain clash the information would still rapidly deteriorate his brain in their initial clash.
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Nah it's not like that. What he did was to remove his sure hit "shielding effect" from covering Megumi's soul, whereas he himself was shielded. He made Megumi take the burden of the attacks.
now imagine if he didn't have Megumi. I guarantee you that he has no way of having Mahoraga adapt to UV at all
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Not interested this repeated debate. I just think that Sukuna in his original body and in his vessels are statistically equal
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Well... yeah. He has the Ten Shadows cuz he's using Megumi's body lmaonow imagine if he didn't have Megumi. I guarantee you that he has no way of having Mahoraga adapt to UV at all
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Ik, but you get what I mean. Him having no ability to place the wheel on another soul inside of him to take the burden.
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"Satoru's sure-hit effect targeted everything within the domain. Sukuna's sure-hit effect, however, targeted everything within the domain except himself, which meant that the sure-hit targeting Sukuna was still in place. He continued to take on Unlimited Void five times, all while shouldering the burden of Mahoraga's adaptation, but the one who actually bore this burden was... Megumi's soul!" - Lightnings translationNah it's not like that. What he did was to remove his sure hit "shielding effect" from covering Megumi's soul, whereas he himself was shielded. He made Megumi take the burden of the attacks.
now imagine if he didn't have Megumi. I guarantee you that he has no way of having Mahoraga adapt to UV at all
This suggests Sukuna's sure-hit has no way to guard himself (which makes sense due to the nature of it) and he was simply using Megumi as a shield to account for that, which makes sense as Sukuna says that Gojo's domain was something that'll be difficult to deal with and so he went into the fight with a plan in mind (which wouldn't make sense if Sukuna could just shield against the sure-hit given Sukuna's domain is barrierless and he had no idea about the healing of burnt out cursed techniques)
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Yeah that translation is a bit weird. Because Sukuna has no way of shifting it to Megumi. You can't control sure hit effects like that. It is completely impossible.
I'll give you two interpretations.
the first one is that it assumes that. Sukuna and Gojo's domain sure hit targeted everything else. But unlike Gojo, Sukuna did not have this overlap his area.
So, the sure hit from Gojo's UV being sent towards Sukuna, were not cancelled
And so it basically hit Sukuna
Basically, While it hit Sukuna, Sukuna made it so that it rather hit Megumi instead of him. This is the first interpretation.
However there's a second interpretation. That is, the sure hit (from malevolent shrine) that didn't hit around Sukuna wasn't canceled towards Sukuna himself, but rather Megumi. So any sure hit effect intending to directly affect Sukuna instead, got cancelled. but Megumi wasn't protected.
The first interpretation assumes that Sukuna can transfer the UV intending to hit him, to Megumi.
The second interpretation assumes that Sukuna's MS sure hit weren't cancelld towards himself but Megumi instead, so Megumi got hit by it.
I think the second interpretation is more fair and sensible. The first interpretation assumes that Sukuna can somehow manipulate UV.
The second interpretation doesn't assume that, but rather assumes Sukuna shielded himself with his own MS sure hit effect but didn't extend that shield to Megumi
Shishiso TL:
"...And Sukuna's commands targeting everything inside the domain except himself" (The "himself" can be interpreted to be referring to Megumi. Which is why in this paragraph it says
"So no Sure-Hit Commands towards HIM (notice how it is bolded?) were canceled"
This supports my interpretation.
We know that there is some sort of distinction between vessels, etc, the body that these characters have. Like how culling games themselves work like. Instead of saying Kenjaku they say Geto, and do the same for the others.
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Lightning did a break down of this on Twitter where they said the "him" in question is relating to Sukuna, I can try find it later, and when I say he used Megumi's soul a shield I'm not saying Sukuna manipulated Gojo's sure-hit I'm saying that he's redirecting the damage of it onto Megumi (essentially your first interpretation).Yeah that translation is a bit weird. Because Sukuna has no way of shifting it to Megumi. You can't control sure hit effects like that. It is completely impossible.
I'll give you two interpretations.
the first one is that it assumes that. Sukuna and Gojo's domain sure hit targeted everything else. But unlike Gojo, Sukuna did not have this overlap his area.
So, the sure hit from Gojo's UV being sent towards Sukuna, were not cancelled
And so it basically hit Sukuna
Basically, While it hit Sukuna, Sukuna made it so that it rather hit Megumi instead of him. This is the first interpretation.
However there's a second interpretation. That is, the sure hit (from malevolent shrine) that didn't hit around Sukuna wasn't canceled towards Sukuna himself, but rather Megumi. So any sure hit effect intending to directly affect Sukuna instead, got cancelled. but Megumi wasn't protected.
The first interpretation assumes that Sukuna can transfer the UV intending to hit him, to Megumi.
The second interpretation assumes that Sukuna's MS sure hit weren't cancelld towards himself but Megumi instead, so Megumi got hit by it.
I think the second interpretation is more fair and sensible. The first interpretation assumes that Sukuna can somehow manipulate UV.
The second interpretation doesn't assume that, but rather assumes Sukuna shielded himself with his own MS sure hit effect but didn't extend that shield to Megumi
Shishiso TL:
"...And Sukuna's commands targeting everything inside the domain except himself" (The "himself" can be interpreted to be referring to Megumi. Which is why in this paragraph it says
"So no Sure-Hit Commands towards HIM (notice how it is bolded?) were canceled"
This supports my interpretation.
We know that there is some sort of distinction between vessels, etc, the body that these characters have. Like how culling games themselves work like. Instead of saying Kenjaku they say Geto, and do the same for the others.
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Doesn’t mean that having more muscles doesn’t benefit him here
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The muscles size point is a bit weird, and I don't think it works like that
Todo is 3 times bigger than Miguel and Gojo still makes an exception for Miguel in comparison to Japan sorcerers.
In fact Todo says Yuji is stronger than him in raw power when we know for sure that todo has more muscle mass
If Sukuna's physical power in his true form makes such a significant power up, it would've been stated with the advantages of his body
So far, the most notable advantage for his body is how he can amp his CTs with hand signs and incantations
Todo is 3 times bigger than Miguel and Gojo still makes an exception for Miguel in comparison to Japan sorcerers.
In fact Todo says Yuji is stronger than him in raw power when we know for sure that todo has more muscle mass
If Sukuna's physical power in his true form makes such a significant power up, it would've been stated with the advantages of his body
So far, the most notable advantage for his body is how he can amp his CTs with hand signs and incantations
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Also this is just headcanon
EldemadeDityjon
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I don't think Bigger Muscle arguments makes sense but Meguna was getting his shit rocked but True form Sukuna just stomped him physically.
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Todo’s reinforcement < Miguel’s. Also his innate physical strength < Miguel’s
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Megukuna was also on like 5 HP and wasn't actually fighting back
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Reinforcements are irrelevant here
We're talking about physical strength, what makes Miguel strong physically is that his natural.physical strength is strong, and he can amp it with CE
Gojo makes an exception to Miguel's natural strength when compared to Japanese sorcerers when we know that Todo's muscles are bigger than Miguel's
This invalidates your point then about Sukuna becoming stronger with bigger muscles because Todo is bigger than both Yuji and Miguel but they are physically stronger
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Without muscles?
Okay what about Miguel?
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Miguel is definitely not more built than Todo who is around the same height as Gojo (taller than 6'3) and referred to as a gorilla
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And still, Gojo makes an exception for Miguel, an exception that was never made to any Japanese sorcerers
What i wanna say is bigger muscles does not mean more strength
EldemadeDityjon
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Nice headcanon.
True form Sukuna was suffering from same things Meguna undergone there is nothing states he got extra HP after Resurrection.
Meguna already healed his wounds except left eye and hand. He also had more CE than the time he fought Yuta.
True form Sukuna got his eyes and hand back shouldn't be able to Blitz and tank the attack if it didn't amped his physical conditions.
