Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[YukaSama4]

Spoiler

Yuji learnt CE control from Gojo, Yuta is carried by talent and probably doesn't care alot about efficiency because he has alot of CE


I will try to count based on my memory because I'm lazy to reread the chapters so anyone can correct me
Yuta took fatal wound by the cockroach and had to heal with RCT
Then he fought Uro a bit, he took a granite blast and then fought Ryu a bit, he took another granite blast which destroyed his hand completely then Uro hit him with her special attack and Ryu said Yuta is out of CE

So 4 big moves and a bit of fighting (which may have damaged him off but not heavy injuries) was enough eat all of his CE
Yuji took 3 fatal wounds and didn't have any CE issues, he's only struggling to manipulate it because he learnt it a month ago, so we can't really say he has better efficiency for now because Yuta took 4 big attacks but considering Yuta is the one with higher CE than Gojo, it really implies that his efficiency sucks

 

[M3X_2.0]

Someone tag Milly

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Spoiler

Yuji learnt CE control from Gojo, Yuta is carried by talent and probably doesn't care alot about efficiency because he has alot of CE


I will try to count based on my memory because I'm lazy to reread the chapters so anyone can correct me
Yuta took fatal wound by the cockroach and had to heal with RCT
Then he fought Uro a bit, he took a granite blast and then fought Ryu a bit, he took another granite blast which destroyed his hand completely then Uro hit him with her special attack and Ryu said Yuta is out of CE

So 4 big moves and a bit of fighting (which may have damaged him off but not heavy injuries) was enough eat all of his CE
Yuji took 3 fatal wounds and didn't have any CE issues, he's only struggling to manipulate it because he learnt it a month ago, so we can't really say he has better efficiency for now because Yuta took 4 big attacks but considering Yuta is the one with higher CE than Gojo, it really implies that his efficiency sucks

Yuta is around 10F level CE storage
Yuji should be around 3-6F I guess? based on 6 death paintings + his own.

This is not based on strength just storage btw.

 

[YukaSama4]

Most of Yuta’s problems are in his base, his output doesn't seem all that great and his RCT consumes a lot of his CE, IIRC Ryu also noted that Yuta’s RCT eats a lot of CE
when he uses Rika, he can get CE from her and use high output CE beam which is only slightly weaker than Ishigori’s output, the one with the highest output in the game, for whatever reason Yuta didn't use Rika against Sukuna, he probably saved that as a card in case he gets sliced in half like Gojo to be able to get CE from Rika and heal, it seems he will make a comeback and jump Sukuna with Hakari and Yuji as the next Gojos team

Yuta is around 10F level CE storage
Yuji should be around 3-6F I guess? based on 6 death paintings + his own.

This is not based on strength just storage btw.

Yuta yes but idk about Yuji

 

[M3X_2.0]

Rika doesn’t make Yuta stronger so it doesn’t matter anyway if he used her or not.

 

[YukaSama4]

What if Yuta was the only one sliced in half because he was the weakest in terms in CE?
Rika is Rika and Yuji was only using Ce to box and heal, Yuta was healing and on he also used DE which eats a ton of CE.

 

[YukaSama4]

Rika doesn’t make Yuta stronger do it doesn’t matter anyway if he used her or not.

when he uses Rika, he can get CE from her and use high output CE beam which is only slightly weaker than Ishigori’s output, the one with the highest output in the game,

I didn't say he gets stronger

 

[M3X_2.0]

I didn't say he gets stronger

I know. But he doesn’t get stronger, so using Rika against Sukuna seems pointless considering he just needed to open a domain and fight.

And the “high output CE beam” thing he can do in base too. Rika just fills his regular pool of CE.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I know. But he doesn’t get stronger, so using Rika against Sukuna seems pointless considering he just needed to open a domain and fight.

And the “high output CE beam” thing he can do in base too. Rika just fills his regular pool of CE.

IIRC he needs fully manifested Rika to do that specifically he can't just fire beam on his own.

 

[M3X_2.0]

IIRC he needs fully manifested Rika to do that specifically he can't just fire beam on his own.

I think the act of firing CE, he can do on his own. Rika too.

But the beam doesn’t get stronger because Yuta cannot have more CE than his own pool can have. That’s my point.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Megumi vs Reggie heavily implied that SDs and HWBs don't affect CTs at all, the frog tongue entered the HWB easily and held Riggie's leg, it's also stated there that their function is only about neutralizing DE barriers

What you said is probably what happened but it just feels weird when compiled with what we know about SD and these things

simple domain has more applications than just DE defense, new shadow style is all about SD giving its users ability like autamatic attacks which miwas used against yuji and maki during the 30-50 chapters event (can't remember then name right now)

SD has a lot more applications than HWB which is a plain and simple DE defense (and as such it works better than simple domain as can be seen in yuta and yuji V sukuna) while simple domain can be used to reduce output of CT's, target the inner domain aka the souls of people (mehamaru V mahito), be used as a detection field to react to your opponents movements and as such attack automatically (miwa's use of SD) and defend against domains to boot.

Oh and technically shikigami are not a technique summoning them is so they should be able to bypass HWB anyhow since they aren't even a sure hit to begin with.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

reverese flash>>>>>Dio>=Sukuna (Sukuna is a massive hater but Dio is a generational one although he at least some what respected the joestars while sukuna weeeeeelllll....)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I think the act of firing CE, he can do on his own. Rika too.

There are two conditions

• Yuta needs fully manifested Rika to use the blast
  
  
• If anyone uses the CE blast on their own power would be weakened
  

But the beam doesn’t get stronger because Yuta cannot have more CE than his own pool can have. That’s my point.

Yeah I agree with this but beam is more like max output or max technique (not literal but something similar). Full power beam should be above his physical status.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Why did Sukuna turn off his RCT?

its cuse he

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Why did Sukuna turn off his RCT?

Two theories

• Wanted to humiliate Maki or
• He wanted to concentrate on his black flash set up.

 

[YukaSama4]

simple domain has more applications than just DE defense, new shadow style is all about SD giving its users ability like autamatic attacks which miwas used against yuji and maki during the 30-50 chapters event (can't remember then name right now)

SD has a lot more applications than HWB which is a plain and simple DE defense (and as such it works better than simple domain as can be seen in yuta and yuji V sukuna) while simple domain can be used to reduce output of CT's, target the inner domain aka the souls of people (mehamaru V mahito), be used as a detection field to react to your opponents movements and as such attack automatically (miwa's use of SD) and defend against domains to boot.

Oh and technically shikigami are not a technique summoning them is so they should be able to bypass HWB anyhow since they aren't even a sure hit to begin with.

This is fine but why everyone says HWB is better than SD these days? Is there any proof for this? SD was used 3 times against DE iirc
1) Kenjaku vs Yuki, it got destroyed immediately which is reasonable as Tengen said Kenjaku can even withstand Yuki’s DE using SD, so ofc his DE would be soo much superior to her SD
2) Gojo vs Sukuna, same here, MS could match UV in output so it makes sense that it would destroy Gojo’s SD easily
3) Mahito vs Mechamaru, Mechamaru survived easily and attacked Mahito’s soul, the SD wasn't affected and it was working fine

while with HWB, Sukuna used it against Yuta who is far inferior to Sukuna in output so it could withstand Yuta’s DE

 

[Sir_sun_man]

oh btw just wanted to say something

Yuji for sure ate more than just the 6 death paintings cuse the man has been SPAMING, RCT without a single bit of slow down, we see yuta actually starting to run out of gas on CE in his fight with uro and ryu and he took less than half the damage yuji has against sukuna right now and the man is not slowing down

His CE reserves must be through the ******* roof right now or he some how got a massive amount of CE reinforcment and use efficency to the point where its starting to approach those sukuna levels (approach not reach, he is no where near as of yet)

 

[Sir_sun_man]

This is fine but why everyone says HWB is better than SD these days? Is there any proof for this? SD was used 3 times against DE iirc
1) Kenjaku vs Yuki, it got destroyed immediately which is reasonable as Tengen said Kenjaku can even withstand Yuki’s DE using SD, so ofc his DE would be soo much superior to her SD
2) Gojo vs Sukuna, same here, MS could match UV in output so it makes sense that it would destroy Gojo’s SD easily
3) Mahito vs Mechamaru, Mechamaru survived easily and attacked Mahito’s soul, the SD wasn't affected and it was working fine

while with HWB, Sukuna used it against Yuta who is far inferior to Sukuna in output so it could withstand Yuta’s DE

I mean HWB is simply less usefull then an SD cuse not only do you have to keep your hands together to keep it active meaning you are now stuck using your legs or a CT that doesn't require any hand signs, meaning you can't guard properly or attack with your hands making you very vulnerable in a DE and that is the only thing it can be used for unlike SD and with SD you can simply activate it and go at your opponent untill the thing crumbles.

HWB in DE's is only good when sukuna uses it cuse the ****** has 4 hands.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Oh and btw since we now know you can heal your soul with RCT if you see its shape I can confidently say that yuji is now top 10 instead of maki or toji.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I mean HWB is simply less usefull then an SD cuse not only do you have to keep your hands together to keep it active meaning you are now stuck using your legs or a CT that doesn't require any hand signs, meaning you can't guard properly or attack with your hands making you very vulnerable in a DE and that is the only thing it can be used for unlike SD and with SD you can simply activate it and go at your opponent untill the thing crumbles.

HWB in DE's is only good when sukuna uses it cuse the ****** has 4 hands.

HWB most likely doesn't need hand signs to be maintained. If a user does not use hand signs, it will be temporarily manifested, similar to SD. This would only buy a little bit of time. Sukuna having four arms is just an advantage; he can maintain two techniques at the same time. Reggie didn't need hand signs to maintain HWB. It seems like it will be temporary in the case of others, but when it comes to Sukuna, he can maintain it because of his advantage with extra arms and mouths.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Oh and btw since we now know you can heal your soul with RCT if you see its shape I can confidently say that yuji is now top 10 instead of maki or toji.

Enough time has passed we should accept

Yuji > Maki & Toji

 

[Sir_sun_man]

HWB most likely doesn't need hand signs to be maintained. If a user does not use hand signs, it will be temporarily manifested, similar to SD. This would only buy a little bit of time. Sukuna having four arms is just an advantage; he can maintain two techniques at the same time. Reggie didn't need hand signs to maintain HWB. It seems like it will be temporary in the case of others, but when it comes to Sukuna, he can maintain it because of his advantage with extra arms and mouths.

I mean we see reggie still has it for a bit and then he gets pulled out of it instantly and its gone, HWB doesn't seem to have the ability to move along side its caster unless you have the arms in the sign position

 

[M3X_2.0]

Am I the only one who thinks Hakari Vs Uraume is the weirdest matchup in the series? Their powers don’t match, ice manipulator vs punch and kick merchant. They have nothing in common.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Enough time has passed we should accept

Yuji > Maki & Toji

just wait for yuji to hit 10 blackflashes back to back vs sukuna and then use red scale stacked to speed blitz sukuna.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Am I the only one who thinks Hakari Vs Uraume is the weirdest matchup in the series? Their powers don’t match, ice manipulator vs punch and kick merchant. They have nothing in common.

the heat of a gamblers feaver against the cold pragmatism of the ancient chief

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Am I the only one who thinks Hakari Vs Uraume is the weirdest matchup in the series? Their powers don’t match, ice manipulator vs punch and kick merchant. They have nothing in common.

Lightning has a great interpretation of that. It's most likely because of his CE traits. Anyway, Uraume would have smoked anyone other than potentially Yuta with her hax, knowing it directly freezes CE itself. Hakari's regeneration is just fast enough to evade his death. Main cast already lost to Uraume except Yuta and Hakari. So they needed any one of those 2 to fight her.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Anyway, Uraume would have smoked anyone other than potentially Yuta

Ngl Uraume is getting the Uro treatment.

 

[YukaSama4]

It would have been better if Uro and Uraume had beef back in Heian era, Uro vs Uraume fight off panel while Hakari teaches Sukuna how to use RCT properly

 

[Sir_sun_man]

It would have been better if Uro and Uraume had beef back in Heian era, Uro vs Uraume fight off panel while Hakari teaches Sukuna how to use RCT properly

uro would get her fade ran into 10 seconds flat.

Uraume is on those jackpot hakari and yuta levels yuta was smashing uro's head in when ever they had a proper head to head confrontation and unlike yuta uraume has no issues killing people off rip.

 

[Quantu]

Am I the only one who thinks Hakari Vs Uraume is the weirdest matchup in the series? Their powers don’t match, ice manipulator vs punch and kick merchant. They have nothing in common.

Sukuna's sidekick vs Yuta's sidekick

 

[YukaSama4]

uro would get her fade ran into 10 seconds flat.

Uraume is on those jackpot hakari and yuta levels yuta was smashing uro's head in when ever they had a proper head to head confrontation and unlike yuta uraume has no issues killing people off rip.

Uraume doesn't seem to have DE, and Uro’s DE is still unknown so that might've been used to solve this issue

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Uraume doesnt sound to have DE, and Uro’s DE is still unknown so that might've been used to solve this issue

yeah a DE that Uro won't have the time pull out cuse she is turned into a human popsicle in less than 10 seconds

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Uraume doesnt sound to have DE, and Uro’s DE is still unknown so that might've been used to solve this issue

Uraume has big range attacks even within domain it's not like all Domain has already active sure hit like Gojo and Sukuna some domains needs manual activation. Uro might get cooked before she can activate that technique or Uraume likely would just outlive because of RCT.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

uro would get her fade ran into 10 seconds flat.

Uraume is on those jackpot hakari and yuta levels yuta was smashing uro's head in when ever they had a proper head to head confrontation and unlike yuta uraume has no issues killing people off rip.

The fact that Yorozu was even worried about getting caught in Uraume's ice already shows that Uraume was somewhat of a big shot back then. Also, Uraume is one of the few who has a Narrative Title in their name.

 

[M3X_2.0]

It’s more than time for Gege to show us the Hakari Vs Uraume fight. I think it’s a good break on the pacing because the Sukuna fight is getting annoying.

 

[YukaSama4]

yeah a DE that Uro won't have the time pull out cuse she is turned into a human popsicle in less than 10 seconds

Hakari came from behind and activated his DE immediately, Uro could've done the same

Uraume has big range attacks even within domain it's not like all Domain has already active sure hit like Gojo and Sukuna some domains needs manual activation. Uro night get cooked before she can activate that technique or Uraume likely would just outlive because of RCT.

As I said her Domain is unknown, so that might've been used to make this workout, Gege could make her domain whatever he wants and solve this issue

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Hakari came from behind and activated his DE immediately, Uro could've done the same

are you really gonna compare mr domain spam himself to Uro who can at most do it twice and who in her one fight she used it as a last resort?

she is not opening with a DE and that is what is going to be the end of her, now if she does it becomes up in the air since we don't know her domain, but from what we've seen of her she doesn't open with domain so she loses.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

It’s more than time for Gege to show us the Hakari Vs Uraume fight. I think it’s a good break on the pacing because the Sukuna fight is getting annoying.

yeah

we need another break of for like 3-5 chapters kinda like kenny vs takaba to slow the pace down at tad cuse ******* hell we are gonna run out of characters at this rate.

 

[YukaSama4]

are you really gonna compare mr domain spam himself to Uro who can at most do it twice and who in her one fight she used it as a last resort?

she is not opening with a DE and that is what is going to be the end of her, now if she does it becomes up in the air since we don't know her domain, but from what we've seen of her she doesn't open with domain so she loses.

It could work by saying that when they fought in the Heian era, it worked as you've said and Uro lost
now she has learnt the lesson and will use her domain from the beginning

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It could work by saying that when they fought in the Heian era, it worked as you've said and Uro lost
now she has learnt the lesson and will use her domain from the beginning

Sukuna killed Uro's squad bro. It would be going in wrong direction if Gege says Uro fought Uraume.