Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Cropfist]

What was the consensus on Sukuna withstanding Purple?

 

[BadSystems]

What was the consensus on Sukuna withstanding Purple?

Procrastinating

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

What was the consensus on Sukuna withstanding Purple?

Either Purple is only AP, or Domain Amplification can null EE

 

[M3X_2.0]

It's only AP.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Gojo bout to lose 50% of his wincons

 

[BadSystems]

Gojo bout to lose 50% of his wincons

1 out of 2 of gojo wincons

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

What was the consensus on Sukuna withstanding Purple?

Void Manipulation Resistance

 

[ZKillerz]

There is a 7-B feat for Kenjaku resisting Yuki's balck hole

In terms of lifting strength, doesn't yuta consider yuji impressive for being capable of chucking cars? I dont know if kenjaku having that lifting strength is consistent.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

In terms of lifting strength, doesn't yuta consider yuji impressive for being capable of chucking cars? I dont know if kenjaku having that lifting strength is consistent.

Check calculation again

Kenjaku's Durability: 71.88 Megatons of TNT

Both LS and Durability

 

[ZKillerz]

Either Purple is only AP, or Domain Amplification can null EE

Psure Sukuna states that domain amplification only works on gojo's low output of limitless, but full output of red and blue completely overpowers his domain amp

 

[ZKillerz]

Check calculation again

Both LS and Durability

Nvm cook

 

[Arkenis]

In terms of lifting strength, doesn't yuta consider yuji impressive for being capable of chucking cars? I dont know if kenjaku having that lifting strength is consistent.

No that doesn't happen, Yuta comments how Yuji was surprised he could throw the car and its in reference to physical appearance not one's enhanced strength through ce. And Yuji has higher feats than that anyway.

 

[M3X_2.0]

In terms of lifting strength, doesn't yuta consider yuji impressive for being capable of chucking cars?

Huh, Yuta did the same right after, didn't he? He said he isn't from the power type like Yuji is, but he can still do the same with reinforcement.

 

[ZKillerz]

Huh, Yuta did the same right after, didn't he? He said he isn't from the power type like Yuji is, but he can still do the same with reinforcement.

Yeah its a pretty standard thing for the verse, I was just saying that its inconsistent cuz I thought the conclusion was kenjaku having class p lvls of lifting strength

 

[M3X_2.0]

Class P is very wild yeah

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Hanami has a class G feat with his trees iirc

 

[ZKillerz]

Hanami has a class G feat with his trees iirc

Can you link it?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Theres also this feat that I calced as Class M last time I checked as well that one stone hand from the old zenin guy (Ignore the speed and force part. Its outdated, but the result is still Class M)

JJK its pretty consistent with LS feats
The problem is that the MidTiers are fodder in LS (Megumi and such)

Can you link it?

Hanami tree calc revised

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Cropfist]

In terms of lifting strength, doesn't yuta consider yuji impressive for being capable of chucking cars? I dont know if kenjaku having that lifting strength is consistent.

Yuji is considered impressive because he is naturally superhuman without cursed energy

 

[GunshyFever]

Will the new black hole feat count as AP? or only durability for high-God tiers

 

[M3X_2.0]

It can be scaled to both AP and Durability.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

I'm about to edit these in, so just so everyone is on the same page

Spoiler

Cursed Energy
Non-Physical Interaction - Concepts (type 2) and Void (cursed energy drives even the form of humanity from possibility and exists between mind and matter).
Mental Manipulation - Prolonged exposure to cursed energy can erode the mind [2]
Ressurection - Cursed energy can resurrect souls and egos into new forms until they are exorcised, or their curse is released.
Empowerment - While negative emotions largely power curses and cursed energy, curses and humans can also be empowered by the collective beliefs of humans such as with the folk god Nanami fought and Sukuna himself in his prime. This effect can also be used through conduits such as talismans (which can be used by non-sorcerors).
Sealing - Buddhist Sutras are capable of sealing away great evil. Additionally, sorcerers can empower themselves through heavenly restriction (as Kokichi did) and being vow (as Hakari did vs Kashimo).

Cursed Techniques
Concept Manipulation (types 2 and 3) - Cursed techniques work by sentient beings utilizing a "target concept" which can act as the basis for the technique itself and the actual target of the technique. Mahito (with his ability to see the soul) mentions humans being dominated by these concepts which cause metabolic configurations in the soul and then body. Sukuna utilized this mechanic of Jujutsu to bypass Gojo's Infinity after learning from Mahoraga, no longer manifesting slashes at where he thought Gojo was, but instead changing his techniques target concept to existence itself, in order to encapsulate Gojo in "that world" and bypass infinity. Type 2 users currently include Gojo's Satoru for bringing the concept of Infinity into reality and extending to mathematic abstracts and control over the concept/scale of distance [2] Yuki for breaking a conceptual framework with strength, bypassing conceptual defenses, and ignoring her own concept being targeted, Yorozu for construction of a conceptual perfect sphere, and Sukuna/Mahoraga for being able to target the concept of existence in order to bypass infinity. Kenjaku's Ganesha cursed spirit and Anti-Gravity technique could potentially qualify. All other cursed techniques fall under Concept manipulation type 3 unless meeting the criteria.

Cursed Spirits
Aura, (Grade 2 and up) responsible for - Madness, Manipulation, Empathic manipulation, and Perception manipulation - When fighting a strong grade 2 curse, both Kairi and Mai note the effects of the cursed spirit's aura to make them tremble, lose spirit, and become frightened. This aura is mentioned as capable of making normal people into a nightmarish state. This aura is described as foul and scorching.

Sorceror Resistances
Madness Manipulation/Empathic Manipulation - Sorcerors can resist the aura of sufficiently strong curses which can drive opponents into a frightened and nightmarish state.
Mind Manipulation - Via willpower, Nobara was able to resist charming/compulsion effects from a cursed word user who had amplified his CT via talismans and an improvised domain.

These abilities are going to the CE Manip page under CE, Sorcerers and Cursed spirits respectively

Spoiler

Vector Manipulation/Info analysis - Barrier users are responsible for accounting for the vector parameters of their territories and certain users can also directly control the coordinates of their domain. Advanced users can even flip their barriers' internal/external conditions and range. Additionally, all information inside of a barrier is privy to the user, with the exception being heavenly restriction users such as Maki and Toji.
Subjective Reality/Concept Manipulation type 3 - Barrier users utilize a "concrete image" as the base for their barrier construction. Aspects of the domain are seen as symbolic even when manifested into reality. An advanced user such as Tengen, was able to separate their consciousness from merging with the universe via barriers.

I'm thinking of either adding these as advanced sorcerer abilities or making a new section in the CE manip page for barriers

Spoiler

Reality Warping - Kenjaku and Sukuna currently have this for type 1 domains, but Kenjaku and Tengen should also have this application added to their profile due to their barrier skill.
Limited Time Manipulation - Miyo's simple domain was able to alter the flow of time within his domain by disavowing any binding conditions within his domain.
Time Manipulation/Sealing/Power Nullification - The Prison Realm boundary is a barrier technique which nullifies its targets powers before sealing them in a dimension cut off from the regular flow of time.
Absorption - Domain amplification absorbs enemy cursed techniques into its empty space.

And finally these are only going to the characters with feats of performing these abilities (Kenjaku, Tengen, DA users etc) rather then as general barrier abilities

 

[Quantu]

Nah Sukuna's strong-conceptual-auto-spawn-in-target-dismantle is gonna go crazy in matchups

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I would update everything myself, but @SunDaGamer seems to want to remove most of that revision. So idk if its worth

Also, why you cant update yourself

 

[Dr._whiteee]

I would update everything myself, but @SunDaGamer seems to want to remove most of that revision. So idk if its worth

Also, why you cant update yourself

I mean the thread was accepted and his thread doesn’t exist as of now, so idk why we wouldn’t apply accepted abilities.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Will the new black hole feat count as AP? or only durability for high-God tiers

Yuki, Yuta, Hakari, Gojo, and Sukuna all have means of scaling in AP.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yuki, Yuta, Hakari, Gojo, and Sukuna all have means of scaling in AP.

Maki and Toji, too.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

About the black hole calc

3.3666095e+18pa* 0.089337m³

Shouldnt it be the surface area instead of volume? Its pretty weird to calc pressure via volume

This would also buff the calc to High 7-A, what feels kinda sus for the scaling

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

High 7-A? Hmm… hmm.

(Praying on a tier 6 JJK meta.)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Nah, its still far from Tier 6. The result would be only 1.754 Gigatons. Almost High 7-A baseline

 

[Arnoldstone18]

About the black hole calc

Shouldnt it be the surface area instead of volume? Its pretty weird to calc pressure via volume

This would also buff the calc to High 7-A, what feels kinda sus for the scaling

Hmmm I’m not sure what you mean..

All I know is

Pa is Newton/m2 And Volume is M3

So multiplying both gives N/m which is Joules of energy. AP value.

If we use surface area the answer will be in N not Joules. So…

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Idk physics but Im pretty sure you cant multiply n/m² by volume

Almost sure that its Energy = Pressure*Area to get the amount of joules
But I could be wrong

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Idk physics but Im pretty sure you cant multiply n/m² by volume

Almost sure that its Energy = Pressure*Area to get the amount of joules
But I could be wrong

next time just look at the units for the clue to your answer. The answer is almost always in the units.

N/m2 * m3 is Nm.

Work done is Nm which is also Joules.

If we do your suggestion: N/m2 * m2 = N. That’s not energy that’s force.

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in fact, I actually just remembered the formula of pressure being F/A. So multiplying pressure by Area is just Force. So if you can’t remember formulas well just make sure you know your units and see what it leads to in the calc.

 

[GunshyFever]

Yuki, Yuta, Hakari, Gojo, and Sukuna all have means of scaling in AP.

Agreed

Maki and Toji, too.

How do Maki and Toji scale to Kenjaku?

This would also buff the calc to High 7-A, what feels kinda sus for the scaling

I mean, as long as its consistent and doesn't have much anti feats/contradictions as well as not making the verse scaling inconsistent, I think It should be used.
(Seeing the responses I do believe it would remain 7-B) which seems alright.

What do you guys think?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

How do Maki and Toji scale to Kenjaku?

They’re noted as the physically strongest of the Big 3 Families without CE in pure grip strength, Maki was considered one of the people to take out Kenjaku, and he himself specifically notes Maki’s physical prowess as an awakened type.

 

[GunshyFever]

They’re noted as the physically strongest of the Big 3 Families without CE in pure grip strength, Maki was considered one of the people to take out Kenjaku, and he himself specifically notes Maki’s physical prowess as an awakened type.

Yeah it seems consistent, I agree with it

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I guess Yuji gets the rating as well if Maki scales to it.
He would just downscale from Maki for fighting Sukuna.

 

[GunshyFever]

I guess Yuji gets the rating as well if Maki scales to it.
He would just downscale from Maki for fighting Sukuna.

I don't get how Yuji could scale to maki

 

[PowerToScale]

Yuji is relative/comparable to Maki. He's not directly equal to her but is still in the same ball park.

 

[TaiwaneseScaler]

I don't get how Yuji could scale to maki

Well Maki is Layers into Boundless Lowballed and Yuji is stronger than her so in all honesty I guess a very strict low ball would be Above the tiering system?