Jov Leonov vs Itachi Uchiha

[LordGriffin1000]

Master of Mind Control vs Master of Illusions

Rules

In Character, Speed Equalized, Alive Itachi.

Votes

Jov Leonov:

Itachi Uchiha:

Inconclusive:

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Pretty sure itachi gets mindhaxed before he can do much.

 

[Rocker1189]

why cant Itachi break out with his MS? a couple hundred people is not much compared to what Kabuto did in the stadium.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

because no mindhax in Naruto beyon IT has showed anything beyond a hundred.

 

[Rocker1189]

Kabuto has though and his mind hax is below that of sharingan. Oh and that guy in Boruto who mind controlled the entirety of Konoha's population I doubt it matches sharingan either.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Kabuto has though and his mind hax is below that of sharingan.

And that isn't enough to assume that Itachi is immune to a higher end.

And normal genjutsu, like what Kabuto uses, affects your nervous system. What Itachi uses, ocular genjutsu, affects the mind directly. The problem is that resisting the former does not grant resistance to the latter, which is the very reason that ocular genjutsu is OP to begin with.

So no, he cannot resist mind-hax here.

 

[Rocker1189]

They both affect the mind, Kabuto's literally makes you see feathers and forces you to sleep, Itachi's makes you see whatever he wants and causes you to lose your body functions and possibly death. Itachi is >>>>>> Kurenai who is a genjutsu specialist and Kabuto is not a genjutsu specialist leading me to believe that Kurenai is > Kabuto.

Both affect the mind and it is literally stated that sharingan genjutsu (not even counting MS) is better than non occular genjutsu.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, Kabuto affects your nerves. Ocular genjutsu only affects mind. Like, in-verse statements kind of take the precedence over your interpretation.

No. Not the metaphysical mind, which is what matters here. One affects your nerves, the other directly your mind. And being superior to what was frankly a few dozen people means little in face of causual mindhax over 400.

 

[Rocker1189]

And entire stadium is much more than a few dozen people. Please bring the statements.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And entire stadium is much more than a few dozen people. Please bring the statements.

Entire stadium?

First of all, the whole mindhax through a medium already makes that null. Anyone that looks at the feathers fall asleep.

Secondly, this is the most people show

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

As for the statement, didn't I already bring it up when the whole "can genjutsu work without chakra" deal was going on? Regardless, Itachi's novel, 8th page I think.

 

[Rocker1189]

Dude there are like 4 parts of the stadium and it is all full, everyone ins the stadium fell asleep. CCan you not bring the quote. And I dont get what you mean by through a medium, the feathers are not even real, they are all in the mind. He did not literally throw a bunch of feather around the place.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Multiplying that by 4 is not hundreds of people. And no, the jutsu works by the logic of "whoever looks at the feathers falls asleep".

And no, I won't buy it again just for you.

 

[Rocker1189]

Dude that is literally 1 section of a section of a section of the stadium:


1 part of the stadium

This is literally 1 section you can easily see that it has at least 200 people in it.


I was incorrect there are 3 sections:


Easily putting Kabuto at about 600 people. I dont get what you mean by a medium since the mind hax is the feathers, if you ee the feathers you are already under the genjutsu, only when the feathers are gone have you dispelled it.
The only people not asleep were ninja which speaks for their resistance and this is not pointing out the fact that Itachi has specific abilities to reverse mind hax back onto the target.

So you dont have it then? You just had to say so, I thought there was translation online.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But it was performed by several people at once.

 

[Rocker1189]

It looks more like they are doing the Kai or release motion so that they dont get caught in it, which is why the databooks set it has Kabutos jutsu.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It looks more like they are doing the Kai or release motion so that they dont get caught in it, which is why the databooks set it has Kabutos jutsu.

Not only were people getting put asleep beforehand, but the same people go on to attack on signal.

It is the same motion Kabuto does, so assuming that Kabuto has hundreds worth of mindhax instead of people working together is kinda unfounded.

 

[Rocker1189]

Oh and since they are i character with no starting distance via SBA, I would not be surprised if Itachi uses a crow clone in his stead to start the fight thus figuring out Jov's abilities and finishing him with a long range fireball with the massive AP difference. In fact an explosive clone would be enough to kill Jov.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Oh and since they are i character with no starting distance via SBA, I would not be surprised if Itachi uses a crow clone in his stead to start the fight thus figuring out Jov's abilities and finishing him with a long range fireball with the massive AP difference.

The clone turns on him, and he can't get close enough to kill him before without getting mindhaxed.

Plus, he can't just throw firebals at hundreds of meters in range.

 

[Rocker1189]

Not only were people getting put asleep beforehand, but the same people go on to attack on signal.

It is the same motion Kabuto does, so assuming that Kabuto has hundreds worth of mindhax instead of people working together is kinda unfounded.

It just means it takes longer to work on ninja, literally every ninja was still awake while all normal people were already sleeping.

Except the other ninja are the Sound 4 and the databook does not loist it as their jutsu as far as I know.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Didn't Madara paralyse a shinobi with Sharingan genjutsu? Is the argument that ocular genjutsu can only perform mind control?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Didn't Madara paralyse a shinobi with Sharingan genjutsu? Is the argument that ocular genjutsu can only perform mind control?

...No.

I am saying that none of it's stuff gives immunity to casual 400 men mindhax.

 

[Rocker1189]

Didn't Madara paralyse a shinobi with Sharingan genjutsu? Is the argument that ocular genjutsu can only perform mind control?

honestly not sure what his argument is: It even states in the databook:https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/databook-iv-collection-thread.1012315/page-3#post-52285108

Although not as much as "Tsukuyomi", this is a
illusion technique that makes the best use of the
"Sharingan's" eye of hypnotism ability. In an instant,
the target is shown a terrible illusion, completely
taking away their own body control

 

[Rocker1189]

The clone turns on him, and he can't get close enough to kill him before without getting mindhaxed.

Plus, he can't just throw firebals at hundreds of meters in range.

He quite easily can? Sasuke does it I am sure Itachi can too.

And again Itachi is >>>> 600 people and has genjutsu reversal.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

It should be noted that Jov's Mind Manipulation is 400 to 800 "at least" with virtually no effort.

His mind manipulation is also not avarage. He's taking complete control of all of them simultaneously, see through all of their eyes at the same time, getting rid of the feeling of pain, and scattered them across an entire battlefield, controlling some to shot, physically combat other soldiers, and doesn't even included the ones flying the jets and helecopters above.

He did all this pretty casually and his mind hax is also backed by Biological Manipulation. He can easily turn them into human bombs with no problem. Lastly he will have no problems if his Mind Manipulation is reversed on him because all Psi Elite have far higher resistance the the Abilities they dish out.

They literally laugh off attempts at using these abilities on them. They barely even bothered to use them on Nick Scryer and he didn't even have all of his power back yet.

A side note: Apparently Jov controlled 1,000 soldiers but I've yet to find an actual source for this.

 

[Rocker1189]

I am not saying it would be easy, I am saying that Itachi should be able to throw it off with multiple variables being >>>> someone who is > 600 people at least ecause btw literally kid ninja could thorw off genjutsu on that level and using genjutsu reversal techniques.

Plus Itachi nearly always has clones go out in his stead before engaging battle himself. This clones are also able to use all of his jutsu and with his ranged jutsu , stealth and collosal AP advantage he should easily be able to take out Jov before he even realizes he is under attack.

The only thing Jov can be argued to have over Itachi is mind manipulation which is not even a given while Itachi has literally everything else on top of his tricky ways of fighting.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Steath is useless against the the Psi Elite like Jov. He and another Psi Elite go off mental thought. Meaning whatever Itachi thinks to do, Jov will know. And it's Omnidirectional sensing, so no clone will get a jump on him.

800 is higher than 600 and Jov's was basically done without effort and was mentally having all of them do their own thing with his mind. He also might have far higher mind hax above that.

Jov will know how strong Itachi's supposed resistance to Mind Manipulation and will just turn him into a bomb with a thought. Itachi doesn't have resistance to Biological Manipulation.

 

[Rocker1189]

Itachi is not 600 people he is >>>>above that and 600 people is me low balling from viewing the people in the stadium it is likely higher than that.

How would he know how strong his mind resistance is anyway. I thought he had to be in control of someone to turn him into bombs.That is what it implies with meat puppets anyway. That he has to control Itachi first. And if he just control a clone and kills it with biological manipulation then Itachi would pretty much know what his powers are upon the death of the clone, from then on he just has to use long ranged abilities to kill him without coming in range.

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah from what it says about Meat puppets they were brain washed first so unless Itachi is a meat puppet he should not be able to be turned into a bomb.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Meat Puppets are not brainwashed into becoming bombs. They are brainwashed so they will normally work for the Movement without question and so Jov wouldn't need to be Mind Manipulating Thousands of soldiers at once all day long.

He's actually turning them into bombs Biologically with a thought. He's even has the ability to mess with non meat puppets Biologically. The hell does Brainwashing someone has to do with turning them into bombs, now you're just reaching.

Jov passively senses people's thoughts, he doesn't need to mind control them to do so.

 

[Rocker1189]

I am not reaching, I don't know his abilities and just reading them off the page where it says he does it with meat puppets how am I supposed to know lmao.

As for what it has to do with mind manipulation I equated it with the Ketsuryugan an occular ability that allowed the user to control people who turn into bombs biologically.

If he can just straight up turn Itachi into a biological bomb no questions asked and you know this then what was the point in this match? It is a stomp.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Him doing it with Meat Puppets =/= Only Meat Puppets, That should have been clear.

Also that Genjutsu Kabuto used just put people to sleep, hardly anything that compares to full blown Mind Manipulation.

He can just straight up turn people into bombs but his initial move is Mind Manipulation. However he and another Psi Elite can sense a person's thoughts and tell how strong they are. He could tell Nick Scryer didn't have all powers.

I don't know all of Itachi's abilities and he has a lot of things on his profile so I just wanted to see if it was a good match but since this is a stomp I'll close it.