Journey of the Fate Destroying Emperor Index | Layering as well as Profile Creation

[Rikimarox2]

Hello! I've finally finished making Wang Wei's profile (Cough, till Primordial Spirit Realm, which is like the 6th realm out of 13).

Here is the sandbox.

I ttttthink I might have messed up/missed a few things here and there, but if I forgot, then they probably weren't important.

I've made this thread so that people can check it out and see if there any problems (and so I can fix them). And, more importantly, to talk about layering.

Now, please enjoy the layers slop;

Spoiler

Before I say anything, here is a general rule of thumb. The higher your cultivation realm, the more Qi/Spirit/whatever, and as such, the stronger you are.

Additionally, here are the realms and the amount of levels/stages they have, from the first to the last:
1. Body Refining Realm (12 levels, usually)
2. Divine Sea Realm (3 stages, Lake of Origin, Sea of Origin, and Ocean of Origin)
3. Divine Altar Realm (4 stages, Low, Middle, High, and Peak)
4. Supernatural Realm (This stage technically has different system, defined by patterns, of which there are 50, but it still uses similar stuff to previous realms: Low, Middle, High, and Peak)
5. Divine Body Realm (Three stages, Human, Earth, and Heaven, with the heaven stage having 9 layers/levels)
6. Primordial Spirit Realm (5 stages, Yin God, Yin-Yang Reversal, Yang God, Shackle Removing and Three Immortal Souls)
7. Void Shattering Realm (4 stages, Law Comprehension, Law Path, Law Body and Law Manifestation; This is the stage where Law/Concept layering starts)
8. Saint Realm (3 stages, Dao Sapling, Young Dao Tree and Mature Dao Tree)
9. Supreme Realm (Massive shitfest, since there's technically a huge difference between even those in the same realm. So, ignore this)
9.5 Quasi-Emperor Realm (No known stages, but can fodderize armies of Supreme Realm cultivators)
10. Emperor/Immortal Venerable/Dao Ancestor (A huge can of worms, just know that the difference between an Emperor and a Quasi-Emperor is a difference of 35 to like thousands of Great Realms, and the difference between a Quasi-Emperor and strong Immortal Venerable/Dao Ancestor is a literal infinite difference in terms of pure strength, as the latter can move at infinite speed, and unleash infinite AP attacks. FYI, Immortal/Dao ancestors are below Emperors)
11-13. Forget about them. They are huge realms that'll tackle later on in the future when I want to make the layering for them.

One of the first showcases of layers were with the Young Emperor Aura of Wang Wei. When his Shadow Emperor Aura was unleashed, many disciples were forced to their knees and kneeled before him, not daring to look at him. This When he got out of the final level of the Pagoda trial, his Young Emperor Aura solidified and allowed it to affect all the disciples, even those who could resist it before. The only exception if the Contemporary Disciples, with the strongest being at the 12th level of the Body Refining Realm. For context, there are 12 levels for the Body Refining Realm, with the Realm being the first one out of 13 (technically more) realms. And the reason they resisted, as specified, is because of their cultivation level, despite the fact that there were cultivators in the same realm but at lower levels being affected.

Then, there's Wang Wei's Powernull, which can destroy the cultivation level of other people, but they have to be weaker than him in strength, ie those stronger would just not be affected. This is stated once more here. This is while he was still in the Body Refining Realm. Should also be mentioned that stronger, when it comes to cultivation, isn't just physical strength, but mind and soul as well.

Now, for Divine Altar Realm (3rd Realm), these cultivators can release oppressive pressure that crushes everyone else down, yet they can fight each other without a problem. However, Wang Wei can use a powerful attack that releases pressure and causes even those cultivators to crash down, and said that anyone with low cultivation level were crashed down, with the exception of Supernatural Realm (4th realm), because those cultivators had a higher quality of Origin Qi.

Su Ai, a cultivator in the Divine Sea Realm (2nd Realm), known for her charm abilities, cannot affect a lot of cultivators due to their powerful spirits/souls. That includes the Generals, who were also in the Divine Sea Realm Peak just like her. However, it was stated by breaking through the next realm, Divine Alter Realm, she can strengthen her charm abilities.[102] And this was proven that just by breaking through, the generals have lost their mind, even though the difference is only of one level.

Another example is when Divine Altar Cultivators aren't affected by the elemental attacks of Divine Sea Cultivators, meanwhile other ones are affected.

Another showcase of resistances is when Li Jun fought against Iron Fist King. Iron Fist King attacked Li Jun with a spiritual attack, but it only affected him for an instant before disappearing, with the reason being that not only did Li Jun have amazing willpower, but his spirit was also stronger than Iron Fist King. Remember that Divine Altar stage is about cultivating the spirit and mind. This is further confirmed when right after, Iron Fist King was surprised his attack didn't work because his spirit was so strong and it was supposed to work. This showcases that stronger spirit = resistance to attacks from weaker spirits. Meanwhile, when Li Jun injured him with a spiritual attack, he was barely able to do anything and only managed to not lose himself after mutilating himself.

Additionally, it was shown that when Wei reached the lowest threshold of Primordial Spirit Realm power (6th Realm), Ji Su, a Peak Divine Body Realm (5th realm) cultivator, stated that he can escape since Wei wasn't as fast as Primordial Spirit realm. This showcases that even though there is barely a level of difference between the two of them, Ji Su did not even entertain the idea of being able to fight him.

Another showcase of higher cultivation = more layers is the fact when a Shadow Guard decided to use his divine sense to search a cultivator's soul. It was stated that since the cultivator was only at the supernatural realm, while he was at the Divine Body Realm (One realm higher), it was not an issue to search his soul.

Furthermore, it was mentioned that by increasing the spirit/soul's strength, they'd be more resistant to Spiritual attacks and interference. This fact was mentioned right after a Saint Realm (8th Realm) cultivator was mind controlled/corrupted by Baleful aura of his surrounding. Keep in mind that, starting at the Divine Altar Realm, Cultivators started to cultivate the mind and soul rather than the body.

Another showcase is when Li Jun and his group needed to use Heaven-Grade tailsman to hide the people, because he mentioned that the Supreme Gods were Void Shattering Realm, so they need Heaven-Grade, implying that higher the cultivation, the stronger the tailsman is needed to be to affect them.[107]

Again, it was shown that despite the opposing army against Li Jun being at least 20 times greater in terms of number, they were still outclassed due to the fact that Li Jun's army was made of Supernatural Realm Cultivators, who were 4th realm, while the opposing army had majority of 3rd realm.

Another showcase of layering is when it comes to Wang Wei (MC) power to read fate lines. He stated that he can't read the fate lines of other cultivators unless they don't resist, or he overpowers them. This was stated once more when he couldn't copy the fate of his wife since she was too powerful.

Then, there is Di Tian's showing. Di Tian, with the strength of a Quasi-Emperor (9.5th Realm), was able to force other True Monarchs (Supreme Realms, 9th Realm) to their knees via his pressure alone, even though the difference isn't even a full realm difference.

This one is for tailsman, but it still shows layering since tailsman's powerful is also using the whole realm power. It was stated that even if two talismans were of equal level, like a Quasi-Emperor Void Blocking Tailsman (Blocks space to prevent teleportation) and Void Escaping talisman (Used for teleportation), the latter would still take a while to actually escape, unless it was of a higher level.

Another showcase is with Wang Wei's shackles of fate, which changes history itself. It was shown that the only reason his Shackles of Fate worked on Di Tian (Same Realm, but higher stage, more strength), despite the large gap in strength, is because of his powerful soul and its quality.

Now, one of the more convincing showcases is with Su Ya (Villain) bloodline technique, Su Ya stated that this curse of her was so terrifying because it could ignore levels, indicating that higher levels can have resistances to lower leveled attacks.

There are plenty more, tbh, as these are just a few snippets/feats from only 400 chapters of the novel (Of which there are 1300+ chapters), and even then, these are not all the feats.

Now, for layering, I purpose that every stage/level should be a layer, and of course, resist the attacks of previous cultivation realm, with few exceptions. You can check the blog for general abilities of Cultivation realms. Albeit not all of them are there, yet. Additionally, those who have a higher battle strength (Ie say they are Divine Altar Stage, but have a battle strength of Divine Body, in other words they can beat up a Divine Body cultivators, they get the resistances and layering of Divine Body).

So, the difference between the stages above Quasi is stated below;

The book theorized the vast difference between the Quasi-Emperor Realm and the Great Emperor Realm because there should be at least 30 to 40 Great Cultivation Realms between these two Tiers. For example, there should be at least 15 great realms–not small stages in a realm–between Quasi-Emperor and Immortal Venerable, 25 great realms for Dao Venerables, and over 40 realms for a Third-Class Emperor. However, the Heaven Will allows cultivators to skip all these realms without any repercussions, hence the vast difference in strength between Mortal and Immortal Tier cultivators.

So, Immortal beings are 15 to 60 layers above Quasi (Since it is Great Realm not small stages, and smallest realm has like 4 stages), Dao Ancestor have 25-100 layers above Quasi, and Third Class is either 40-160 layers above Quasi or just 0 since they are considered Higher D even by Dao Ancestors

Additionally, for proof between each stage being a layer at the very least is the fact that 1-Root Dao Ancestors are hopeless against 2-Dao Ancestors;

Wang Wucheng looked at the young man before him and sighed. "You indeed have the strength of 2-Root Dao Ancestor."Wang Wei smiled before saying: "Can you show the power of each root?" "Sure," said Wang Wucheng before waving his hand to manifest an enormous hand manifested before him. "How do you feel?" "I feel like I could not withstand five attacks." "Most 3-Root Dao Ancestors could defeat 2-Roots with one attack. You can survive more than one because of your law and the many ways you have to defend yourself."Wang Wucheng then used another attack, but a more powerful one. "That's 4-Root." Wang Wei nodded; he wouldn't survive one attack.

As such, there's a difference between each stage. Immortals are the same as one level difference means the higher level easily slaughter lower.
Additionally, I should mention that Void Shatter and above are all about using concepts as attacks.

Also, it was stated that a difference of 0.9% Grand Dao (Smth like power source of everything) is enormous, which makes sense since even just increasing Grand Dao by 0.1-0.3% takes countless trillions of years

"You should know there are differences between the roots–especially the 5-Root Level. The difference between controlling 4% and 4.9% of the Grand Dao Source is enormous."

Now, Spiritual Attacks are present from like the first realm, considering Wang Wei's Young Emperor. So the layering for those start from the first realm.

Additionally, higher realmed cultivators should resist the general abilities of the lower cultivators.

And for conceptual shenanigans, that starts from the 7th realm, ie the Void Shattering Cultivator Realm. That is only type 2. For type 1, that starts from Supreme Realm.

As it stands, only layering and calc evaluation is left. I've already asked a few for the latter, but they ditched me for 3 months now

 

[Orioreeem]

Layers were already previously accepted in layers evaluation thread so I agree

 

[Rikimarox2]

Pretty much. Honestly, this thread isn't even needed that much, a blog is enough. This is mostly meant to just check for errors in the profile. I might just publish the profile later, and just make a blog that contains layers and be done with it.

Layers were already accepted, it's just meant to check the numbers, especially since they said I can just make a blog. Though what I really want is to see if there are any problems with the profile.

 

[Robo432343]

• Illusion Creation, Empathic Manipulation, Soul Manipulation and Mind Manipulation (3 layers; Due to his powerful soul, Wang Wei is mostly unaffected by illusions, and was stated that he can resist charms due to it. Even then, he got affected by the Charm of the women in his harem, but then managed to gain resistance to it, but he still got affected by the Aphrodisiac Gas, however, after a couple of failures, he managed to gain resistance to that as well)

you need scans for this

and resisting charms is just empathic manip here, there is no mind manip resistance

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

and resisting charms is just empathic manip here, there is no mind manip resistance

same thing lol

anyways layers are pretty straightforward and it's pretty typical in cultivation type settings for higher realms and such to be completely unaffected by people of lower realms or power.

 

[Neoxxi16]

Key:Supernatural Realm

• Enhanced Spatial Manipulation, Non-Physical Interaction, Law Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2: His punches reached the level of Void Shattering Realm, and could break space, and laws)

The scan does not mention anything related to Type 2 information manipulation

 

[Orioreeem]

Key:Supernatural Realm

• Enhanced Spatial Manipulation, Non-Physical Interaction, Law Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2: His punches reached the level of Void Shattering Realm, and could break space, and laws)

The scan does not mention anything related to Type 2 information manipulation

Check the previous thread where info type 2 is accepted.

 

[Neoxxi16]

They should add the scan or an explanation about the divine runes because the scan they provided doesn't explain much about Type 2 information manipulation. Regardless, I agree with the layers.

 

[Malekith]

Agree

 

[Rikimarox2]

They should add the scan or an explanation about the divine runes because the scan they provided doesn't explain much about Type 2 information manipulation. Regardless, I agree with the layers.

I added it at the first mention of the profile, ie in the resistance page in the supernatural realm. Don't ask why I didn't do it in the ability section, the source code and the fandom is screwing with me for some reason.

Regardless, the reason was that Divine Runes are just a part of the Laws, and they are everywhere, and were directly stated to be like computer code, and can code reality itself.

Illusion Creation, Empathic Manipulation, Soul Manipulation and Mind Manipulation (3 layers; Due to his powerful soul, Wang Wei is mostly unaffected by illusions, and was stated that he can resist charms due to it. Even then, he got affected by the Charm of the women in his harem, but then managed to gain resistance to it, but he still got affected by the Aphrodisiac Gas, however, after a couple of failures, he managed to gain resistance to that as well)
you need scans for this

and resisting charms is just empathic manip here, there is no mind manip resistance

They are all part of the soul, like, directly fused with the soul, which is the mind as well. Basically, anything that can affect the mind can affect the soul and vice versa. That said, I removed the layering slop from it, and removed everything from the charm of the woman stuff.

Additionally, Illusions can affect the soul, and even directly destroy it.

Anyways, I added the scans.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I was honestly thinking of making a Void Shattering Key as well, but man does the ap shenanigans get weird, and not to mention that technically speaking, Void Shattering Realm cultivators are 4th dimensional beings or higher outside of verse. Yes, specifically outside of verse.

But man are the abilities for Void Shattering a lot, since that's when he gets his Law, and actual haxxy stuff happens. Oh well.

Anyways, the calcs were finally evaluated, so only layering shenanigans left. Maybe I should sacrifice something to summon the staff.

 

[BreezeHM]

I'll come back and take a look at the abilities later, but you can't have Statistics values in your Statistics sections like how you presented it. They need to be in a note form, like this.
"Higher" and "Far" should not be capitalized. I'll take a closer look after class.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I'll come back and take a look at the abilities later, but you can't have Statistics values in your Statistics sections like how you presented it. They need to be in a note form, like this.
"Higher" and "Far" should not be capitalized. I'll take a closer look after class.

Changed all the Far and Highers I have found, and just linked the values into the text instead of the whole statistic value stuff.

 

[Livinmeme]

Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3 and 4; Was enlightened on the concept of nothingness, with his body gaining intangibility of nothingness, with his soul and mind becoming intangible, and him becoming intangible to all things, including the laws that govern the universe, which would include the Law of Wuji (Nothingness)<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Rikimarox2/wang#cite_note-94">[94]</a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Rikimarox2/wang#cite_note-:36-95">[95]</a>)
This isn't Nep2, this is just layered Nep1. Why? Because is still regular nothingness, not something that is neither something or nothing.

 

[BreezeHM]

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1;A techniques that uses the power of his father and grandfather, which would include their Dao, and unleashes slash that can cut through anything, and it includes time powers)

Missing a space

• Selective Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3 and 4; Was enlightened on the concept of nothingness, with his body gaining intangibility of nothingness, with his soul and mind becoming intangible, and him becoming intangible to all things, including the laws that govern the universe, which would include the Law of Wuji (Nothingness))

Like what @Livinmeme said, this is layered NEP 1.

• Abstract Existence (Type 1; Memories, Ideas (Type 3 Concept), Emotions, Philosophies, Spirit): In order to form a Primordial Spirit, cultivators have to melt their soul, and instill their ideas, philosophies, memories, emotions, and Spirit into it)

Unless I'm reading this wrong, wouldn't this only apply to their soul?

• Information Analysis (Due to breaking through the 13th level of Body Refining Realm, no one is able to see his strength/cultivation and weakness<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Rikimarox2/wang#cite_note-64">[64]</a>)

Going by your format, you missed bolding Information Analysis.

• Regeneration and Healing Negation (

Uhh?

likely Small Building level (Should be 3 or more times weaker than Ji Song since he can only unleash a power of 500 kg compared to Song's at least 1500 Kg,

Scans for this, because you might have to do a calculation.

At least Planet level, Solar System level with [World Breaking Fist] (He doubted whether earth could survive his punch, and was doubting whether the entire solar system could survive his World Breaking Fist)

Your scan isn't working

Besides that, I believe everything else is good.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Missing a space

Fixed.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, wouldn't this only apply to their soul?

That's because the Primordial Spirit and the Body fused.

Going by your format, you missed bolding Information Analysis.

Fixed.

Uhh?

Could've sworn I fixed this ages ago, but fixed.

Scans for this, because you might have to do a calculation.

Added. There's no need for calculation, it's literally just taking Ji Song's value, and dividing it by 3, that's it.

Your scan isn't working

Fixed.

Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3 and 4; Was enlightened on the concept of nothingness, with his body gaining intangibility of nothingness, with his soul and mind becoming intangible, and him becoming intangible to all things, including the laws that govern the universe, which would include the Law of Wuji (Nothingness)<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Rikimarox2/wang#cite_note-94">[94]</a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Rikimarox2/wang#cite_note-:36-95">[95]</a>)
This isn't Nep2, this is just layered Nep1. Why? Because is still regular nothingness, not something that is neither something or nothing.

I mentioned this in the PnA evaluation thread, so I'll just post it here;

After saying this, he pointed his hand towards Yan Chen and the Asura behind him did the same movement. Following this, a dark-colored mini sun appeared in the palm of the Asura.

The temperature of the sun was so high that it started burning the void the moment it appeared. The space around Ji Qiang began to twist as the heat simply incinerated it.

Furthermore, the voice isn't just like, outer space or something like, since the void is mentioned when the fabric of space gets destroyed:

The grounds underneath, the clouds in the sky, and even the very fabric of space were broken and swallowed by this fish bird's mouth. The only exception being Wang Wei.
He looked at the gigantic creature in front of him that was covering most of the sky and muttered: "The mythical creature Kunpeng? I thought this kind of creature no longer exists in the Myriad Emperor World along with Dragons and Phoenixes?"
He looked around and noticed that he was standing in the void since the space around him was swallowed. - Ch. 283

Spoiler: Nonexistent Shenanigans

Gao Buqin did not believe in this evil and used even more sophisticated methods.

His golding palm turned into a Yin-Yang Diagram as he tried to forcefully revert Yan Liling out of her current state, changing her from an intangible form to a tangible one.

Unfortunately for him, Yan Liling created that pill using Wang Wei's power of Nothingness. As such, its essence is not simply intangibility but the concept of nothingness.

Gao Buqin then changed tactics as his Weapon Body changed, taking the properties of a rare Time Artifact. Then, he attempted to revert Yan Liling to a few minutes prior when she was not in such a potent state.

His attempt failed as nothing can affect nothingness–not even time.

However, Gao Buqin currently had the mindset of a fool due to his desire to end this battle as his master ordered. As such, he did not believe he could not succeed.

He then chooses to attack Yan Liling's past self; by killing that version, he can eliminate the present version.

Alas, this method also failed. One of the properties of nothingness is its infiniteness, which transcends time. So, such a technique might have worked on past Wang Wei, who had little to no mastery of the Power of Nothingness.

But it was different for his current self.

'What is this strange technique?' cursed Gao Buqin internally. He could not find her past self to kill; to be precise, her past seemed to be this vast, even infinite, grand emptiness, devoid of life, matter, space-time, energy, or even concepts known to the mind.

The MC seeing Wuji stuff to enter Nothingness:

'What a great technique,' he commented. Such a technique was beyond anything he had created. Although he could tell, it was only possible because of Di Tian's countless reincarnations and time spent researching Samsara.'Unfortunately, you're too late.'
He used Wuji Dao to bless his fleshly body, temporarily entering the second stage of nothingness: [Void].

The explanation of Wuji:

'Wuji, meaning without limits, without boundaries: boundless. A state of non-distinction, nothingness before the Tao–or the manifestation of everything came into being.
'The Laws of Wuji contained properties of nothingness. Its very definition of beings without limits, distinction, or boundaries can also apply to nothingness.'
Wang Wei opened his eyes, full of wisdom and containing the universe's fundamental truth. After this enlightenment, his body had subtle and unnoticeable changes.

[Wuji to Taiji: Stillness to Motion]
Wuji represented the state of the universe before its birth, a state of stillness that embodied the concept of nonexistent. Then, from nothingness was born something; Dao gave birth to one, one gave birth to two, two gave birth to three, and three gave birth to myriad things in existence. These words perfectly encapsulated the process of Wuji transforming into Taiji, a process in which nothingness (stillness) created something (motion).

And Wuji stuff, which people can comprehend, is a different thing than the Nothingness Wang Wei cultivates, since the one Wang Wei does will permanently erase one from Existence, and is considered a Taboo from the universe itself, along with the 12 other taboos.

Basically, I think it fits. I don't think it is just layered NEP1, when those that comprehend Wuji (Nothingness), can't comprehend real Nothingness, as they'd be erased. Then there is also the fact that those who can destroy void and stuff, not being impressed by it, cannot do anything to Nothingness.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Fixed.

That's because the Primordial Spirit and the Body fused.

Fixed.

Could've sworn I fixed this ages ago, but fixed.

Added. There's no need for calculation, it's literally just taking Ji Song's value, and dividing it by 3, that's it.

Fixed.

I mentioned this in the PnA evaluation thread, so I'll just post it here;



Furthermore, the voice isn't just like, outer space or something like, since the void is mentioned when the fabric of space gets destroyed:

Spoiler: Nonexistent Shenanigans

The MC seeing Wuji stuff to enter Nothingness:

The explanation of Wuji:


And Wuji stuff, which people can comprehend, is a different thing than the Nothingness Wang Wei cultivates, since the one Wang Wei does will permanently erase one from Existence, and is considered a Taboo from the universe itself, along with the 12 other taboos.

Basically, I think it fits. I don't think it is just layered NEP1, when those that comprehend Wuji (Nothingness), can't comprehend real Nothingness, as they'd be erased. Then there is also the fact that those who can destroy void and stuff, not being impressed by it, cannot do anything to Nothingness.

wuji here could very well be tier 0 but considering type of verse i wouldnt be surprised if there were anti feats and seems to be the case if his NEP scales to it?

I think NEP2 for Wuji (as well as transduality type 2) is fine since it's unmanifest without any distinction whatsoever which include oneness of taiji and duality of yin and yang.

 

[Orioreeem]

wuji here could very well be tier 0 but considering type of verse i wouldnt be surprised if there were anti feats and seems to be the case if his NEP scales to it?

I think NEP2 for Wuji (as well as transduality type 2) is fine since it's unmanifest without any distinction whatsoever which include oneness of taiji and duality of yin and yang.

There are anti-feats for tier 0 but Wuji still should be type 3 transduality and WW's nothingness as well if not even a further state of it considering it is treated as something stronger more complex then Wuji

 

[Rikimarox2]

wuji here could very well be tier 0 but considering type of verse i wouldnt be surprised if there were anti feats

I think NEP2 for Wuji (as well as transduality type 2) is fine since it's unmanifest without any distinction whatsoever which include oneness of taiji and duality of yin and yang.

So, would adding selective Transduality type 2 be fine for his NEP2? Because he should be unaffected by even Wuji, Yin-Yang, etc... considering they are still considered Laws. Daos are a different story (Though he's above Supreme Realm cultivators who have Daos, so eh). As for Anti-Feats, there are things above it, like Primordial Chaos, and Hongmeng, which is the destination above everything where every concept/Grand Dao is there all at once.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

So, would adding selective Transduality type 2 be fine for his NEP2? Because he should be unaffected by even Wuji, Yin-Yang, etc... considering they are still considered Laws. Daos are a different story (Though he's above Supreme Realm cultivators who have Daos, so eh). As for Anti-Feats, there are things above it, like Primordial Chaos, and Hongmeng, which is the destination above everything where every concept/Grand Dao is there all at once.

I think transduality type 2 at least should be fine since it's as blatant as it can get here.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Added it to the profile.

 

[Orioreeem]

Wuji is type 3 tho not type 2

 

[Rikimarox2]

Wuji is type 3 tho not type 2

Type 3 would require, iirc, transcending a level of reality. Even if we tried to say Wuji is higher level (ie tier 1), that would require a different CRT.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Type 3 would require, iirc, transcending a level of reality. Even if we tried to say Wuji is higher level (ie tier 1), that would require a different CRT.

Type 3 requires 5 different states of many valued logic while Wuji here would only be 3 states afaik since it’s without distinction compared to oneness of taiji

 

[Orioreeem]

Type 3 requires 5 different states of many valued logic while Wuji here would only be 3 states afaik since it’s without distinction compared to oneness of taiji

Type 3 would require, iirc, transcending a level of reality. Even if we tried to say Wuji is higher level (ie tier 1), that would require a different CRT.

Wuji is considered type 3 on this site, someone should ask Ultima or some knowledgable stuff to comment here then.

 

[Orioreeem]

Post in thread 'Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2.5 of ?????)'

Sep 4, 2023

Abraxas is depicted as a purely multiversal entity in the storyline he appears in, so he is just flat High 1-A, yeah.

I think Oblivion should get Transduality type 3 back and as well every character above him. Chaos king represents wuji which qualifies for type 3.

• Gasper

Here, Wuji is type 3

 

[Rikimarox2]

I'd honestly want like more confirmation to decide if it's type 3.

But like, I ain't complaining if we got it, especially since Wang Wei can affect it with his Will stuff

 

[BreezeHM]

Nep Stuff Snip

Understandable I guess, you should get @Dereck03 to evaluate the NEP.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Already messaged him quite a while ago. Just waiting now for him and other staff to evaluate everything here.

 

[Rikimarox2]

That said, does Type 3 Transduality even grant anything? From what I've heard, Transduality/Nonduality is kind of like an cosmetic ability.

Also I've been thinking of publishing the profile honestly, probably today. I've fixed the majority of the issues, and layers could be just added to a blog. This thread isn't really an evaluation but moreso just checking if there's anything wrong with the profile (and there was, thanks everyone). Layers, by themselves, were already accepted, and from what I heard, just putting it into a blog is enough.

As for concept manip, info, and Law manip, those were all already accepted, so it should be fine.

I assume no one has any problems with the profile being published (Editing mistake, formatting issue, some weird ass ability, etc...)? I settled with Transduality type 2 for now, and if a staff thinks it's type 3, then I'll just make it type 3 later on.

Edit: Published the layering stuff. I'll keep the profile open for now, in case some staff would want to talk about Transduality type 3 and stuff (bleh), or if anyone wants to mention anything about the profile. Otherwise, thanks for the help.

 

[Vietthai96]

Wuji is type 2 or 3, depending on how the verse present it

That said, does Type 3 Transduality even grant anything? From what I've heard, Transduality/Nonduality is kind of like an cosmetic ability.

Only nondual 1 to 2 give nothing unless the verse specific what it give.

Nondual 3 while not give any resistance or ability, due to nondual 3 character existing in a state of many-valued logic with at least five truth states, meaning said character can't be interacted by anyone who have their attacks bound by fewer truth states, of course it do not extend to every haxes in the wiki and just what the verse show

Being transdual however automatically make you immune to haxes, trandual 1 will make you immune to haxes belong to the specific dual system you transcend, transdual 2 make you immune to all haxes that exist in your verse, transdual 3 is mostly the same as nondual 3 but since you transcend and immune to haxes it make transdual 3 slightly stronger

 

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I have mentioned a few mentions of it above in the NEP stuff. There are more, obviously, but some of them are in like the Higher-D realm, so eh.