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Jonathan Joestar vs. Hajime Hinata

No.

Although prove the probability manipulation would evect oponents and jonathan.

Super sonic for example has probability manipulation for effecting a slot although that doesnt mean he can skew an opponent man .
 
Although prove the probability manipulation would evect oponents and jonatha

It affected junko, and the whole suicide thing depended on teh traitor choosing the right object.
 
Ya do realize he can do a hamon discharge and then thats all. Its not a instant one time action thing . He can keep that up as long as hajime is wailing on him. (Then again thatd leave a chance for Jonathan to over power him skill or not Jonathan holds the lifting strength advantage and by proxy grappling a hundred times over man ).

Hajime can have prior information that doesnt mean he can automatically prevent and stop the hax .
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Although prove the probability manipulation would evect oponents and jonatha

It affected junko, and the whole suicide thing depended on teh traitor choosing the right object.
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Which falls back on the not exactly probability manipulation.

He gambled if i recall and lucked (kek) .

Thats definitely not an explicit showing of effecting a humans choices from probability .
 
Yes, I just gave you one where it did. The girl who got executed was made to choose the poisoned water, thus unwillungly killing him
 
Although prove the probability manipulation would evect oponents and jonathan.

DGR 2: Chapter 5 Affected and intentionally manipulated the "traitor's" actions and chose the traitor as the culprit of the class trial.

DGR 3: Despair Arc Komaeda affected Ruruka, Kimura and Izayoi and got them expelled just because they accidentally interchanged bags (which contained different some illegal stuff), he also got Chisa transferred to Reserve Course and because of that, she later got brainwashed by Enoshima and Ikusaba, which even affected more characters, like getting Nanami kidnapped by brainwashed Chisa by just going with Komaeda in the secret hideout (that's how dangerous Komaeda's luck is, by just being beside him, you can get misfortunes), which later led to the brainwashing of the whole class. Later, resulted the mass suicide of the Reserve Course which eventually led to a global disaster.
 
Actually, what happens is he uses his luck to make sure that the traitor would pick up the poisoned fire extinguisher, which would then kill him. Along with the landslide feat, the building feat, the random aiming feat, and Izuru's feat of overpowering Nagito's luck, it's safe to say that his luck is a supernatural power that can alter probability. Less important to note, but Izuru also has Makoto's luck, which has been shown to save him from deadly situations before, just like how Nagito's has.

It may have been a gamble, but Nagito was aware of his luck and was purposefully using it to cause these outcomes by more or less willing it to happen. That's how powerful his luck is.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Yeah except almost certain that was a mere gamble .
He didnt jedi mind trick that .
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He probability manipulated it. Probability manipulation makes whatever he wants more likely to happen. You claiming that others won't be affected is unfounded
 
Fair enough.

Which doesnt do a lot seeing as mind control ohko body manipulation organ failure are possible choices of hamon on a human . Bar not doing hamon at all without the intent of battling .
 
He probability manipulated it. Probability manipulation makes whatever he wants more likely to happen. You claiming that others won't be affected is unfounded

No that was under the assumption he had zero feats of doing that .
 
Which doesnt do a lot seeing as mind control ohko body manipulation organ failure are possible choices of hamon on a human . Bar not doing hamon at all without the intent of battling

Yes, and probability manipulation would make him not use hamon. That's the point
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Which doesnt do a lot seeing as mind control ohko body manipulation organ failure are possible choices of hamon on a human . Bar not doing hamon at all without the intent of battling

Yes, and probability manipulation would make him not use hamon. That's the point
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Youre litery saying jonathan wouldnt even try and fight and would stand there then .
 
Hamon fircefueld. Hamon users being to keep conscious after being guted riped in half and left as a head . Also hamon radar also scaling from one tenth of dio . Hamon breathing is also trained to unconscious and done even while sleeping .
 
Did ya actualy just claim hajime could rip jonathans head off?.

Do me a favor and explain how in the hell he can do that when Jonathan is one forth of dio. Has a passive hamon forcefield. And from feats alone jonathan could rip his head off seeing as he oartialy scales to a character that can bench hundreds of tons effortlessly .

Jonathan litterally only needs to make one hamon move hit him. Hajime cant get around hamon defences and hajine cant punch jonathan because of hamon discharges .
 
Izuru FRA. He makes Jonathan to fall into despair.
-Therefir

With Ultimate Analyst, he analyzes everything about Jonathan and do things that will make Jonathan fall into despair.

He can also sing a deadly song that can make him fall into despair or just plain incapacitatation. Yes, it is possible, it has been shown a couple of times that people there are capable of brainwashing or incapacitation with songs or musics.

DGR 3

  • A reversed despairing music was enough to make Makoto Naegi, the Ultimate Hope, fall into despair and attempt to kill himself, only later to be saved by Juzo. (Another luck feat??)
  • Ibuki Mioda was capable of knocking down members of the Future Foundation by just singing.
  • As the Ultimate Animator, he is capable of creating and producing specific sound effects and visuals that can brainwash people that listens to them or watches them, which then can be done with singing. Ultimate Musician and Ultimate Animator combined, both has specialty of sounds.
As well as, my statement, which gives him the upperhand in the combat, though Hamon can be a problem. He's also still never going to be able to touch Izuru, as far as I know.
 
Seeing as jonathan has already experienced despair and seen his family die. His best friend be bisected and had his life tormented by dio and was fine .

Its gonna be hard to make jonathan do so. Actually cant even think of anything hajine could possibly do except maybe murder erina which would probably still not do enough .
 
That quote does not imply that JoJo is one fourth of Dio, or even one-fifth at that point, and I already pointed that out. Either way, Izuru has precog to predict, despair to incapacitate, and superior AP to get past JoJo's defenses.
 
Dude, you can't really compare the two kind of despairs. The kind that izuko has created a cult tha curropted the entire world, made them kill htmeslefs, fetishized despair, created several statues thesize of the statue of liberty just for the ***** of it. And all that was made out of boredome
 
Also your statement would make this incredibly hard for jonathan but this is essentially a one hit ohko bar with Jonathan except also touching jonathan would be a mustake .

Also jonathan has plenty of experience fighting multiple oponents at once if which are faster than machine gun fire .
 
Timesmashaperil said:
That quote does not imply that JoJo is one fourth of Dio, or even one-fifth at that point, and I already pointed that out. Either way, Izuru has precog to predict, despair to incapacitate, and superior AP to get past JoJo's defenses.
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It litterally says hes one fth of dio. Or one tenth. Do me a favor and go divide dio by one fifth.

No offense but its blatant as hell. And explicit and not some flower language .

Despair or not. I doubt itd instantly turn jonathan into a useless Fighter seeing as hes been through enough shit already.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Seeing as jonathan has already experienced despair and seen his family die. His best friend be bisected and had his life tormented by dio and was fine .

Its gonna be hard to make jonathan do so. Actually cant even think of anything hajine could possibly do except maybe murder erina which would probably still not do enough .
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As Ricsi explained, Izuru can make Jonatan fall into a despair much worse than that.
 
  • As the Ultimate Animator, he is capable of creating and producing specific sound effects and visuals that can brainwash people that listens to them or watches them, which can be done with singing. Ultimate Musician and Ultimate Animator combined, both has specialty of sounds.
So yeah, they don't have to be the loved ones of Jonathan.
 
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