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N, m3x é só esquizofrênico
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JoJo's Bizarre Adventures: Speed CRT (Part 2 to 6)
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"Ability: It is so fast that it surpasses the speed of light and it could stop "time" in this world for up to 5 seconds at its prime (When Jotaro was 18 years old). Additionally, its "power" and "precise movement" are also amazing. Its ability as a stand is the best and most invincible ever."
"It surpasses the speed of light by sheer fast speed, at its peak (18 year old) for 5 seconds, it managed to stop time of this world. Additionally, its coordinative reactions and speed is incredible. It is the ultimate, invincible stand ability."
Two translations from our two big japanese lads on the wiki, say almost the same thing, the key part being the same though.
To note, this line in particular is in the manga itself, Volume 2 of Part 6 (It also references JoJo-a-GoGo, giving direct concrete relevance to that guide in regards to canon, with said guide jacking off SP too).
"It surpasses the speed of light by sheer fast speed, at its peak (18 year old) for 5 seconds, it managed to stop time of this world. Additionally, its coordinative reactions and speed is incredible. It is the ultimate, invincible stand ability."
Two translations from our two big japanese lads on the wiki, say almost the same thing, the key part being the same though.
To note, this line in particular is in the manga itself, Volume 2 of Part 6 (It also references JoJo-a-GoGo, giving direct concrete relevance to that guide in regards to canon, with said guide jacking off SP too).
More like I have a automatic translation app installed onto my PC.
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I seeMore like I have a automatic translation app installed onto my PC.
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scaling seems good
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Redgrave actually gave his ok, albeit off site (given he quit a few days ago), I double checked with him a few hours ago actually.
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That's 16 agreement, 0 disagreement, 3 mods ok (4 if you count Redgrave). (And possibly one more but he's inactive usually, I could try and run this by him quickly).
Anyway, we can wait a bit on the other lads (not like some havent seen it), as long as we get this done by noon, it's fine, I don't want to rush things and I'm usually fine waiting excessive amounts of time on people or CRT's, but this is one such time we're I'm going to have to do politely ask people hurry up and not make this take forever due to irl complications.
T̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶f̶a̶i̶r̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶d̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶w̶a̶y̶.̶ ̶
That's 16 agreement, 0 disagreement, 3 mods ok (4 if you count Redgrave). (And possibly one more but he's inactive usually, I could try and run this by him quickly).
Anyway, we can wait a bit on the other lads (not like some havent seen it), as long as we get this done by noon, it's fine, I don't want to rush things and I'm usually fine waiting excessive amounts of time on people or CRT's, but this is one such time we're I'm going to have to do politely ask people hurry up and not make this take forever due to irl complications.
T̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶f̶a̶i̶r̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶d̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶w̶a̶y̶.̶ ̶
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most of this looks alright except the Jotaro getting old thing. Fictional verses very rarely treat age as an issue unless stated otherwise. there's also the fact that there are other characters who are much older than this Jotaro who don't have a power that's connected to being fast who are still MFTL(Joseph). So I don't see why Jotaro would fall so massively even if some stand users have shown to get "slower"
At most MFTL for Part 6 Jotaro should be considered. other than that, This Looks good.
At most MFTL for Part 6 Jotaro should be considered. other than that, This Looks good.
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This is true, not all do, but that's not the case in JoJo, getting age does indeed effect the speed, power and the like of one's Stand (though it also depends on the Stand in question, power types fall to this tho), explicitly so.
And in Jotaro's case, it can and has been confirmed that he's not within his prime anymore (Not even Part 4 is, let alone Part 6), he's not up to the capabilities he could do within his youth. Though of course, him getting weaker still puts him at top tier and he basically ***** on everyone still, but he is weaker and only gets worse off by the time of Part 6.
Joseph also is explicitly stated to not be as good as his prime self as well (and that's in spite of him being in real good condition for his age as said himself), blatantly so (and by the time Part 4 rolls around he can't even use his Stand ability properly anymore). Though he's a far end example of a character getting weaker with age (given he's like 69-79). But it is the case either way and by the time of Part 6, Jotaro's been out of his prime for almost 30 years.
And you're right, we don't know if Jotaro fell massively, just that he did, hence why he's still listed as "At least FTL (Can keep up with the speed of light, stated twice. Is stated to be FTL in Part 6, ie, at his slowest, stated to be faster than sol Stands, etc), possibly/likely MFTL (Dude's still top tier for the most part, may not have slowed down to such an extent he's no longer MFTL)" for his out of prime key (Part 6).
Paraphrased of course, but this has been factored in and considered.
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Well, everyone and their mother has accepted this, including 4 mods. Literally no disagreement.
Most of the time, this is usually a green sign that this has been accepted, and we can start the edits. I feel like waiting even more is just gonna be a waste of time, IMO. Most of the time, we wait for more people when there are not enough staff agreements, or there are arguments against the CRT. But we have enough staff, and there is no argument against the CRT either.
Most of the time, this is usually a green sign that this has been accepted, and we can start the edits. I feel like waiting even more is just gonna be a waste of time, IMO. Most of the time, we wait for more people when there are not enough staff agreements, or there are arguments against the CRT. But we have enough staff, and there is no argument against the CRT either.
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Well olden SP seems to be a slightly contentious aspect (Though ultimately a minor issue), but that's been accounted for in regards to the likely/possibly MFTL still atop his at least ftl, so it should be fine, just trying to be a bit conservative here is all while factoring in established information regarding aging and Jotaro himself.
But at the same time I don't give a shit, this needs to be done by today otherwise I'm not gonna be able to interact here at all, for likely a while.
But yes, 17 agreements, 4/5 of which are that of staff. This should be fine, especially given this should appease almost everyone on both sides for the most part while still adhering to accuracy.
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seems "fine", I agree
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Looks good to me. How many staff is needed?
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I think the narrative supports the idea that his speed didn't go down too much, Araki always thought of Star Platinum as an FTL, and it stayed that way until part 6, he also didn't present any anti feat to imply that he was massively slower than before, that's a possibility, but I don't think we have much evidence of such a sharp drop.
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By the way, doesn't one of the scans the MX3 sent imply that the Star Platinum in part 4 is still the fastest Stand, even counting those in part 3?
"Jotaro's Stand with precise movement, speed, and power that is said to be No. 1 among all Stands"
I don't remember anything that might contradict it
"Jotaro's Stand with precise movement, speed, and power that is said to be No. 1 among all Stands"
I don't remember anything that might contradict it
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i know i'm a random but also count my vote, my problems with the CTR are specifically the stats of Jotaro part 4 and 6, Jolyne and her friends
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That's 18 agreement, 0 disagreement, 5 mods ok (6 if you count Redgrave). (And possibly one more but he's inactive usually, I could try and run this by him quickly).
His speed went down, it explicitly went down, Stands also explicitly slow down as they age and it's been established as such atop of the blatant statements of SP no longer being at his peak (And ****, as we see in the case with Bruno, he went from being faster to getting so much slower his Stand was slow motion to the dude he was seconds ago blitzing, and Bruno wasn't even heavily aged at that point, even at the end of the arc it's pointed out SF is slowed down due to aging, and Bruno was barely aged at all at the end).
Is Star Platinum still FTL in Part 6? Yes, he is, he's stated to be, Is he still MFTL? We do not know and there is absolutely no way to tell.
We don't have evidence of that sharp a drop? We also don't have any evidence saying he's the same, in fact, we have evidence where he's explicitly NOT the same.
You are asking us to put Star Platinum on par with his youthful self, when we're literally told he's out of his prime and has been for nearly 30 years.
It doesn't matter if there's zero anti-feats (You could argue getting tagged by Whitesnake is a anti-feat given how fast peak SP is), there's also no feats either that suggest he is. Quite literally all we have to go on for Part 6 is that he's 30 years out of his prime, he's slower than his prime (And yes this can be drastic), but that he's still FTL. That's it, that's all he has, a FTL statement, that could be as low as 1.1x the speed of light, let alone a hundred times the speed of light. Due to a lack of available scaling and even feats, and the fact we know he explicitly slowed down, we have him as At least FTL, possibly MFTL. That MFTL is generous as is for older SP.
That scan is for Part 4, Part 4, not 6, over a decade before Part 6, Peak SP>>>Part 3 SP>Part 4 SP>Part 6 SP. And that's actually my scan(Check the uploader), all these scans are my scans bar maybe one or two, out of the literal hundreds, I'm the person who went through the manga 6 times gathering shit.
Your problems aren't going to be answered, I'm sorry man but we can't just go "well he's probably just as fast still", we need evidence, evidence which does not exist here, with evidence that suggests, explicitly so, that he isn't, there is quite literally nothing in Part 6 that suggests Star Platinum is MFTL still, while explicitly noting he isn't up to par with his Part 3 self (even his Part 4 self isn't, and his Part 6 self is below his Part 4 self at that). The fact we have him listed as "Possibly MFTL" still is generous enough and takes into account the possibility he hasn't slowed by a ludicrous degree, that should be good enough given were basically just being nice in that regard. And only Part 4 SP has anything that resembles MFTL scaling still, which does not exist for Part 6.
That's 18 agreement, 0 disagreement, 5 mods ok (6 if you count Redgrave). (And possibly one more but he's inactive usually, I could try and run this by him quickly).
Except it did support it and it doesn't matter. I'm getting sick of repeating myself here no offense.
His speed went down, it explicitly went down, Stands also explicitly slow down as they age and it's been established as such atop of the blatant statements of SP no longer being at his peak (And ****, as we see in the case with Bruno, he went from being faster to getting so much slower his Stand was slow motion to the dude he was seconds ago blitzing, and Bruno wasn't even heavily aged at that point, even at the end of the arc it's pointed out SF is slowed down due to aging, and Bruno was barely aged at all at the end).
Is Star Platinum still FTL in Part 6? Yes, he is, he's stated to be, Is he still MFTL? We do not know and there is absolutely no way to tell.
We don't have evidence of that sharp a drop? We also don't have any evidence saying he's the same, in fact, we have evidence where he's explicitly NOT the same.
You are asking us to put Star Platinum on par with his youthful self, when we're literally told he's out of his prime and has been for nearly 30 years.
It doesn't matter if there's zero anti-feats (You could argue getting tagged by Whitesnake is a anti-feat given how fast peak SP is), there's also no feats either that suggest he is. Quite literally all we have to go on for Part 6 is that he's 30 years out of his prime, he's slower than his prime (And yes this can be drastic), but that he's still FTL. That's it, that's all he has, a FTL statement, that could be as low as 1.1x the speed of light, let alone a hundred times the speed of light. Due to a lack of available scaling and even feats, and the fact we know he explicitly slowed down, we have him as At least FTL, possibly MFTL. That MFTL is generous as is for older SP.
That scan is for Part 4, Part 4, not 6, over a decade before Part 6, Peak SP>>>Part 3 SP>Part 4 SP>Part 6 SP. And that's actually my scan(Check the uploader), all these scans are my scans bar maybe one or two, out of the literal hundreds, I'm the person who went through the manga 6 times gathering shit.
Your problems aren't going to be answered, I'm sorry man but we can't just go "well he's probably just as fast still", we need evidence, evidence which does not exist here, with evidence that suggests, explicitly so, that he isn't, there is quite literally nothing in Part 6 that suggests Star Platinum is MFTL still, while explicitly noting he isn't up to par with his Part 3 self (even his Part 4 self isn't, and his Part 6 self is below his Part 4 self at that). The fact we have him listed as "Possibly MFTL" still is generous enough and takes into account the possibility he hasn't slowed by a ludicrous degree, that should be good enough given were basically just being nice in that regard. And only Part 4 SP has anything that resembles MFTL scaling still, which does not exist for Part 6.
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Well, I believe that's enough now? 18 agreements is quite a lot. Someone needs to tag Ant or AKM, or anyone who can unlock profiles.
Anyways, I can help with changing the speed ratings.
Anyways, I can help with changing the speed ratings.
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Yes, please.
I'm actually kinda pissed this is still going on, which is to be expected (I honestly expected it to go way worse) but still.
Normally I'd have zero issues waiting for others, debating things and the like, even over an exceptionally long while, I'm usually willing to even have things take place over months if need be, but not right now, I wasn't joking when I said please let's finish this by Saturday while opening the thread, irl complications are going to force me to cut the wiki back a huge amount in the next coming while (Ill be back afterward of course, but still), I can't afford for this to continue, it's just exceptionally bad timing is all, unfortunate, but sadly, not in the mood not can I even keep this up, for much longer.
I'm not even gonna be able to help implement this at all really, so any help is appreciated.
I'm actually kinda pissed this is still going on, which is to be expected (I honestly expected it to go way worse) but still.
Normally I'd have zero issues waiting for others, debating things and the like, even over an exceptionally long while, I'm usually willing to even have things take place over months if need be, but not right now, I wasn't joking when I said please let's finish this by Saturday while opening the thread, irl complications are going to force me to cut the wiki back a huge amount in the next coming while (Ill be back afterward of course, but still), I can't afford for this to continue, it's just exceptionally bad timing is all, unfortunate, but sadly, not in the mood not can I even keep this up, for much longer.
I'm not even gonna be able to help implement this at all really, so any help is appreciated.
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Well, this thread is pretty much concluded. We only need someone to open the profiles now. You can rest assured now.
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I think that what has been accepted by our staff can be applied now.
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Yes, please.
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And I'm done editing them.
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Aha mb, you are right. RtZ shouldn't have been changed, it seems I pasted the new speed rating and deleted RTZ by accident.
@Antvasima Could you unlock Giorno's profile again, please? Just for a minute.
@Antvasima Could you unlock Giorno's profile again, please? Just for a minute.
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I have edited it back, you can close the profile now. Extremely sorry for that silly mistake. Don't close the thread, though, there might be stuff we are missing. It's best we wait for M3X.
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