JoJo's Bizarre Adventures: Anti Durability Capabilitites of Hamon

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

I would like to propose that all Hamon users should be listed as being able to negate durability with the use of said technique.

Sendo Overdrive allowed Zepelli to transfer the force of his attack through the frog, into the rock. So what would be stopping a Hamon user from striking an opponents head and have the force transfered into the brain or other internal organs etc. Jonathan does this by punching through a wall.

Joseph Joestar has been able to manipulate the liquids within a cactus so it would gradually expand and then combust, and was able to make the liquids within a coke bottle launch the cap at a high speed and yes Joseph has made his hamon go through a human before, it even seems he can control the destination on where his hamon will go too within the body.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Is anti durability another way of saying "negate durability" for you? Just asking.

Anyways, this does seem like an interesting hax for the JJBA hamon users as i never really thought up of this way for them. Anybody who has read n watched JJBA knows that the hamon can be transferrable and go through other objects and lving things (such as the cases of Zeppeli and the frog, and Jonathan and the wall to Jack the Ripper one). Though using it in a destructive and hax-able way like this? Hmm. I'm not against the idea here, but would like to get second hand opinions on this from those like Azathoth.

 

[GreatestSin]

oh, didnt really realize that, but it makes sense

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

When I say durability negation,anti durability I am referring to this the first category in particular, I am sorry if I mix my definitions/words up.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Nah it's alright, man. I was just like "wait, is that a new thing we should also use or...?"

In any case, i could see this work given that it was shown in the first two parts that hamon could also transferred into the body and do stuff. Though i never really the get the impression of them doing it destructively to even living beings like humans. Again like the earlier comment above, i'm not against the idea of this; i just need other second hand opinions on this and then i'll be comfortable to be like "alright, it's totally fine to use this here."

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

that seems legit to me really never thought of it too because of well stands keep appearing while hamon became reductant by part 3 and 4 and non-existant by part 5,6,7,8

 

[MagiSinbad]

Seem legit to me.

More hax for the first JoJo :3

 

[CuriousWatcher]

Seems possible if we go by the precision Hamon users have shown, like Zeppeli in part 1 but also Joseph and Caesar when Ecidici was possessing Suzi-Q in part 2. And to add to this, iifrc, didn't they need to be two Hamon users because only one would have killed Suzi-Q.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

^I think i recall that, yeah. Esidisi sort of mentioned that if Joseph wanted to kill him, he'd have to end up killing Suzi-Q too in the process....so....yeah?

 

[DontTalk]

Hmm... yes I think that should work like that.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Does anyone have objections about this?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Makes sense to me.

 

[RavenSupreme]

eh i think this is pretty simple to answer without going into detail:

has he used "sendo" on someone and the attacked did not got damaged from it?

if the answer is yes, then it does not technically negates durability automatically

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

eh i think this is pretty simple to answer without going into detail:
has he used "sendo" on someone and the attacked did not got damaged from it?

if the answer is yes, then it does not technically negates durability automatically

Yes, the frog.

 

[RavenSupreme]

has he afterwards used the technique on someone?

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

When Joseph and Ceaser both transfered their hamon within the girl to target the parasite, it was damaged while no harm came to the girl.

 

[RavenSupreme]

okay so it was never actively used in a 1v1 fight or something similar i mean?

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Yeah it's never shown actually being used to crush someones brain, but seeing what Hamon can do in the series it definately should be able to be used as such.

 

[RavenSupreme]

i am against the addition of something being used as durability ignoring in a vsbattles profile which people refer to in crossover battles when it was not shown even in-verse tho

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Well, given the feats Joseph can definately transfer the force of his attacks through bodies to other objects, Joseph/Ceaser even managed to transfer their hamon into the girls heart. All I am doing is just using applications of Hamon in the series and how it can be applied to a practical battle scenario.

 

[RavenSupreme]

what i mean is: when his attacks would ignore durability, they would not get blocked

has someone blocked his attacks? like for example with his own body

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Dio was able to block Hamon, but this was through exploting Hamon user's breathing patterns and the flow of their blood.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So about 4-5, maybe 6 people have said it's alright to them, 1 whose like i guess against it atm and 1 (me) that's like "ehhhh" here.

Okay....

 

[Zianmoon2]

Yeah, seems legit, if hamon can travel throught living beings without harm, it seems plausible that it could fry internal organs, causing massive harm.

 

[RavenSupreme]

can you link the chapter where dio blocks it? and was the techniqe used again later on? if so, where?

also: one thing should be clear, whatever the proposal is, its only about this specific technique right? not all of his techniques were supposed to work like this?

 

[CuriousWatcher]

To answer to Raven's concerns, Joseph K.O.-ed a man with only Hamon when he was a teenager. Then, Kars also melted Jospeh's leg.

In battle, the Hamon was mostly used against undead, vampires and Pillar men so hitting vital organs didn't really matter.

EDIT : Just saw your new comment after posting.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Wasn't Hamon something primarily used to combat against those kinds of beings tho?

 

[RavenSupreme]

if so, would it not be a bit hasty to state he has durability ignoring just in general then?

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

can you link the chapter where dio blocks it? and was the techniqe used again later on? if so, where?
also: one thing should be clear, whatever the proposal is, its only about this specific technique right? not all of his techniques were supposed to work like this?

Zepelli sending the ripples through 2-3 zombies and here is Dio blocking it (I would like to link the full pages but you must have a Batoto account to view them) yeah just for Sendo Overdrive, perhaps with a mention of being able to control the liquids within an object (Joseph)

 

[RavenSupreme]

just give me the chapter name. its part 1 jojo from what i recall, bos after the burning of the mansion right?

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

"The power of the mask that freezes blood"

 

[RavenSupreme]

alright one problem i have is, here

http://img.mangasaurus.com/original...re-adventure-part-1-phantom-blood-1006057.png

you see dio got affected by overdrive - this was BEFORE he froze josephs arm.

if it would truly ignore any form of durability it should have directed him immediately, but dio managed to cancel it out after being hit

now one could make a case that it technically COULD be durability ignoring, but it takes some time for the attack to reach the located destination, though joseph didnt specify where the overdrive was destinated to (heart, brain etc.) making it appear as if the attack is more or less just launched at the body in general

and this does not qualify as durability ignoring to me

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

There is a possibility of Dio getting hit, but then immediatly vaporizing his blood to cancel the effects of the ripple and then freeze Jonathan.

Not sure how this changes anything when we clearly see Joseph/Ceaser direct their hamon within Susie Q's heart. And Zepelli putting his hamon into a frog which then goes into a rock and splits it.

Well damaging internal organs is durability ignoring in our wiki.

 

[RavenSupreme]

its a possibility but we dont know how it happened. we just see dio getting hit and then being not affected or damaged at all.

i am willing to settle on a "possible able to negate regular durability with sendo overdrive if the opponents has no approriate counter measure"

because lets face it: regardless what it was, dio HAD an appropriate counter measure. its not a flawless, durability ignoring 100% hit move

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Oh yeah of course Hamon can be stopped with a counter measure, but then again the same goes with many durability ignoring attacks. Does not mean we should go onto a space-time cutter and list on the profile "Can be stopped with counter measures such as space-time manipulation/resistance" and so on.

 

[RavenSupreme]

dio at that point in time had no space-time shenanigans goin on tho - it appears he overcame the ability with his own, inherent power

meaning its definetly a great ability within josephs tier, however it would not let him fight on higher tier levels, due to people being more powerful and able to stop the spread of sendo overdrive like dio did

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

It was an analogy, I was speaking about how there are various ways to stop durability ignoring attacks yet we don't really list how (for some reason). He overcame hamon due to manipulating his own body, he mentions how he vaporized the blood within his arm which no character can do with just power alone.

I don't see how being a higher tier = being able to stop sendo from flowing within your body.

 

[RavenSupreme]

we just saw a higher tier character stopping sendo from flowing in his body...

dio said he vaporized the water in the arm joseph/zeppeli punched him WITH and took his heat not he vaporized the water in his OWN arm

http://mangasaurus.com/view/35183-01006059

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

This does not prove that being a higher tier is enough to stop Sendo. As Dio still had to manipulate the blood within Zepelli's arm which most higher tier characters cannot do.

 

[RavenSupreme]

a higher tier character can merely punch joseph somewhere and cause him to stop and reduce breathing for a time with the ripple stopping to be effective..since the sendo is not instant but a continous spread any higher tier character with speed / ap advantage can negate it

also, i think the overdrive only works as long as joseph makes physical contact ?

and the next: has this not only been used against the undead due to "yellow overdrive" being "sun" and this being effective against undead?