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Jojo: Multi-Continental Novel Kars

Surviving MiH is just not being killed by Pucci when its active (if we're talking about J-Universe MiH anyway). What's confusing about the book is that it's said that Kars lived through 10 quadrillion years and through those 36 universe resets like they naturally happened, but later in the book MiH Requiem (Kars' Stand) resets the universe 36 times as well to get to the present of where the main plot of Joji's story takes place: the 37th Universe. Honestly, that is the only thing in the book that I get lost on 100% no matter how many times I read it. It feels so inconsistent IMO (Morioh is under Britain, which would imply it was inside of the 37th universe, but I have no idea). The only thing that I can think of that would help is the fact that the whole 37 universes is a loop. Instead of a 38th Universe, it goes back to the first one, so maybe they just hopped through that loop over and over?

Anywho, AP doesn't matter if both TWU and GER are the same levels physically.
 
Checked back, it was a loop. So those first 36 ends and restarts were natural, so I guess that bit in Kars' summary was a minor error. But should going through that process of the end and start of the universe really count to his durability? By far no expert in this kinda stuff, and I don't know if it sounds right if it was something like Universal, considering it would also make Dio and Kars' AP also Uni. But again, no expert.
 
Bumping, really want to get this whole Acasual TWU and Uni+ Dura conversation out of the way before any revisions are attempted.
 
Can you summarise the above discussion and its conclusions for us? I no longer remember, and have plenty of issues to deal with at once.
 
1. Kars' moon statement is debunked, but this calc by Dark leaves Kars Low-End Country+ level, and at High-End Multi-Continent level. Dark comments that he wants other calc group members to evaluate the calc, and I don't think any one of them had done so yet. It'd be best for that to be done before anything else.

2. Kars' base range should be boosted to 100 kilometers due to the tendrils he had connected to a spaceship from the Third Moon.

3. Dune Ultimate would be given an At least Subsonic+ speed ranking due to scaling to the original Dune's crossing of 8 kilometers within a span of two minutes.

4. Light Mode should be added in Kars' notable attacks/techniques list alongside Explosion Manipulation added in both the list and the Powers and Abilities section

5. C-Moon Ultimate should be further explained on its Gravity Manipulation via being similar to the original C-Moo on the Notable Attacks/Techniques list.

6. The World Ultimate would most likely have Acausality and have Unknow speeds due to blitzing and strangling GER. I do not know if Dio should have Acausality as well, his willpower was seemingly unaffected even before killing Giorno, but that is mere speculation right now.

Our current topic right now is whether Kars should have Uni+ Dura for surviving the natural death and birth of the universe 36 times in a row. If it isn't considered an outlier or anything of that sort, it scales back to Dio and Kars for both AP and Durability. I have my doubts because the thought of that tiering seems odd, but I don't have much of a counter to begin with other than that strawman of an argument. So I want to hear what others believe.

Some More Context: The 37 universes are a complete loop, each one having completely different histories and sometimes different characters. (ex. 1st Universe is the J-Universe from Parts 1 - 6, the 2nd Universe is in the SBR-verse from Parts 7 - 8, the 37th universe holding Joji, one of the two main protags and a Singularity in the timeline, etc.) Instead of Made in Heaven Ultimate resetting to a 38th universe, it would go back to the 1st Universe and so-on.

Kars naturally lived through the first 36 universes in its entirety, same with each different Kars that followed (sadly an error on my part when I originally thought it was Pucci's doing). It was just later in the story where MiH Requiem reset and looped through these universes again to chase Dio to the SBR-verse.
 
Okay. That seems reasonable. Thank you for the summary.

If you wish, you can inform the other calc group members about the calculation on their message walls.
 
I agree with kars getting acausality, and the whole living through the universe thing is likely just kars outliving the universes.

As for his Ap and dura: I think 98.9 tetratons is the most reliable of the values listed on that blog
 
@TLT1 It is probably best if you reply in the blog itself, so the calculation results can be used.
 
Never mind. I saw that you have already done so.
 
The World Ultimate (Dio and Kars) for Acausality, then.

Though I'm still curious about Dio possibly having it himself as well. GER alone has Willpower Manipulation, and Dio wasn't really affected at all in the entire confrontation with Giorno.
 
Arigarmy said:
The World Ultimate (Dio and Kars) for Acausality, then.
Though I'm still curious about Dio possibly having it himself as well. GER alone has Willpower Manipulation, and Dio wasn't really affected at all in the entire confrontation with Giorno.
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So, the world and the world ultimate would have acausality and Dio and (possibly kars) would also have immunity to willpower manipulation
 
The World isn't involved in the book, it's just The World Ultimate. Otherwise I have no objections to the idea.
 
Well, since TLT1 has accepted the calculation, the result can probably be applied in any case.
 
I'd like to say Dio being unaffected by GER"s power certainly is a thing.

As we know one of his well, defining traits is his unbreakable will.

Kars by scaling above Dio would certainly have Acausality.

He should be able to stomp GER just like Dio did with very little effort.
 
So, has anybody applied the calculation results?
 
Novel Kars is a locked page, Ant. Besides, do you just want us to just change his AP or are we implementing all of the changes that we have talked about earlier?
 
I can't edit kars, but I can edit dio's page. So I should just add in immunity to willpower manipulation and acausality with his stand along with changing AP, dura and striking strength to country level+, right?
 
Nice. Only thing left is to play the waiting game on the Novel Kars unlock.

EDIT: I got cal to unlock it for me, so I'm working on it now.
 
I will temporarily unlock the page. You can tell me here when you are done.
 
The other changes should probably be fine as well, btw.
 
Okay. I will re-lock the page then.
 
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