• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

JoJo: Enya the Hag Upgrade

Has anybody asked some of the people interested in JoJo to comment here yet?
 
I disagree with scaling her AP by harming Stand Us-

Sees that she kept up with Silver Chariot

It's fine then. Damn, that's one heck of an Old Lady.
 
This is the funniest upgrade ever, and I agree due to consistent feats. However, Justice should still remain 10-C but it should be mentioned that the corpses it possesses get stat amped to 8-C.

What have you done, Araki?<s/>
 
Wait, wait: I don't really like to be the Devil's Advocate, but isn't Chariot just... Blocking her blows?
 
Ok, it isn't immediately apparent what Polnareff was doing in the manga, so I checked the anime footage. Polnareff casually reacted and dodged her scissors attacks and was using Silver Chariot to simply parry her strikes. Also, Silver Chariot was being noticeably slower while it was parrying, meaning that Polnareff was probably holding back against an old lady. So MFTL Enya is definitely out.
 
Not sure why we should assume she was holding back when in the original he mentioned she was unnaturally fast. In general the manga takes precedence over the anime, and I doubt we should assume Polnareff held back the entire fight without any evidence.
 
That is her running speed. Polnareff cannot run at MFTL speeds, he's just surprised that old lady can run faster than him. At best her movement speed would scale to and be slightly faster than Polnareff. Her attack speed is definitely not MFTL.
 
That's still wouldn't explain the assumption of him holding back in a fight where a single nick would get him killed.
 
Polnareff doesn't know that in the linked scan, and in the manga too, he appears to be blocking.

In conclusion,

1. AP upgrade to 8-C should be fine due to scaling from Hol Horse and Polnareff needing Silver Chariot to block.

2. Speed is due an upgrade. Idk what attack speed will be but movement speed should be Peak Human due to being faster than Polnareff.

3. Stats for Justice remain unchanged. You can add, however, that corpses possessed by it are 8-C due to being able to pierce holes through Polnareff and Jotaro.
 
I am iffy about the AP upgrade the most.

Hol Horse has no durability feats, and Pol most likely blocked her with SC because she was faster than him and she had a weapon.
 
DMB 1 said:
I am iffy about the AP upgrade the most.

Hol Horse has no durability feats, and Pol most likely blocked her with SC because she was faster than him and she had a weapon.
Click to expand...
Polnareff sill has 8-C dura, as does Hol Horse
 
Hol Horse shouldn't, as when he got hit by his own bullets, he was about to die, and he would have died if they didn't hit him in that spot.

And most Stand users' durability throughout the series is very inconsistent, which is why I disagree scaling someone's AP to Stand level bu just harming a Stand User.
 
If it's so inconsistent then why do we have them at that durability? That seems misleading
 
Because they can survive getting hit by other Stands, but a lot of the times they are portrayed as peak humans at best, which is why we shouldn't just give other characters 8-C AP by harming once someone who took a beating from another, far superior Stand.

Stand User's AP should be determined by their own feats, like smashing a door, or a wall.

Are the punks who beat up Jotaro 8-C now?

Not to mention, I fail to understand why most characters are 10-A for no reason other than what I assume to be looking "muscular enough".
 
Genericstickman said:
Didn't Hol survive shooting himself while he was possessed by Enya?
Click to expand...
That is not a dura feat because it was mentioned that Hol Horse either moved the bullet away or recalled his Stand immediately, before the bullet could do any real damage.
 
Well, it seems like this has been accepted then.
 
DMB 1 said:
I am iffy about the AP upgrade the most.

Hol Horse has no durability feats, and Pol most likely blocked her with SC because she was faster than him and she had a weapon.
Click to expand...
DMB 1 said:
Because they can survive getting hit by other Stands, but a lot of the times they are portrayed as peak humans at best, which is why we shouldn't just give other characters 8-C AP by harming once someone who took a beating from another, far superior Stand.

Stand User's AP should be determined by their own feats, like smashing a door, or a wall.

Are the punks who beat up Jotaro 8-C now?

Not to mention, I fail to understand why most characters are 10-A for no reason other than what I assume to be looking "muscular enough".
Click to expand...
 
Well, Hol Horse should have greater than 9-B durability at least due to being completely unaffected after being punched by Jotaro.
 
>"Completely unaffected"

I don't remember him just taking the punch like it was nothing.

While Jotaro still tends to hold back, here it's not as likely, and Hol Horse having 9-B dura is way more reasonable than 8-C.
 
9-B seems fine then.

Enya used a pair of scissors to harm him though, but her being 9-B is ok.
 
You guys make great points that I never considered.

Enya herself probably isn't 8-C with the scissors, making a surface level wound on a person is not considered enough damage to warrant you scaling.

Her own speed should not scale to Polnareff, that was just him being surprised that an old lady could run that fast, the comment was not him comparing himself to her (which is needed to scale).

Yes with prep she can alter the battlefield and yes her stand should be 8-C as well as any zombies since they can punch holes through Jotaro and Polnareff.

---

As for the general rule of thumb when it comes to scaling, you're only 8-C if you withstand a beating from Star Platinum unless Jotaro is bloodlusted, then 8-C+ is fine.

From a narrative point of view as well as artistic, characters with similar physiques (aka all the buff villains and heroes) are clearly supposed to be somewhat comparable in phyisical ability. That's not to say scale them immediately 1-1, but take it into account with other evidence. That's why I am fine with 8-C Hol Horse.

If we DID have a profile for the thugs, they would not be 8-C on account of harming Jotaro. It took three of them and they were using weapons such as baseball bats and he was able to immediately walk it off after the punishment was over. That's not sufficient damage
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Upgrading Silver Chariot's Speed to MFTL+ (Hanged Man recalc) (JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure)
Replies
2
Views
2K
Jojobod163
StrymULTRA
Dio Brando - Speed downgrade
Replies
9
Views
2K
Spectra_Schiffer
Spectra_Schiffer
Jojo speed CRT: Part 1 of 2: MFTL+ Silver Chariot and all those who scale.
Replies
20
Views
3K
Wavingthroughawindow999
FundamentalForce
  • Locked
Jojo's Bizarre Cosmology [Part 1/???]
Replies
39
Views
2K
Animus-sama
Animus-sama
SunDaGamer
  • Locked
JoJo Part 1, 2 and 3 AP upgrades
2
Replies
70
Views
7K
KingTempest
KingTempest
Back
Top