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Are we absolutely positive that we can use the feat of DIO tanking the explosion of a ship?

It's a major plothole in the series. In the context of Part 1, Jonathan and DIO were both killed, while in the context of Part 3, they only survived because they were in the coffin.

Not to mention that a lot of the character who scale to the feat do not have anything linking to the feat in their profiles, so instead of a justification for Jo2ke being 8-B, you get a blog that literally says "Alas, 8-B JoJo remains a myth" at the end.

So yeah I don't think this 8-B feat is legit, and it wasn't even implemented properly.
 
Actually. For what its worth. In the novel Dio tank it and took the box after erina left.

But no. We see him tank it explicitly. Explosion hits him directly in the head.

Nothing actually states he only lived due to the coffin. He lived due to his blood or "life energy".
 
Can you show me that scan where he is tanking it?

Because the only one I see in the calc blog where DIO and the explosion are even on the same panel is the one where it's just about to collide with his face, and we don't see what happens to him afterward. In fact, Jonathan, who obliterated him in combat and reduced him to his state of being just a head in the first place, and thus should at least be considered his equal, was explicitly stated to be killed by it.

DIO's survival at all is generally a huge plothole. The whole reason DIO wanted to crawl into the coffin in the first place was so he could survive the ship's destruction, implying that's how he did it in the context of Part 3.
 
And erina stated Jonathan died. Which obviously meant he must have tanked the exploding boat. As erina obviously would have had information on him being in the coffinmy man.

Narrator had nothing.
 
No. (Well except kars except he not definitely onpar withdio man obviously not unless we take the mythical quote I can not find having high Dio being on par with ultimate kars). Almost definitely positive quote a lie.

But Dio scales off some stands anyway.

Mostly top tier one like chariot and polnareff who scale off llitterally every other stand.
 
Yeah literal one panel prior.

He died.

The boat exploding did not kill him. He died even just prior.

And within part 3 Dio or Joseph did not ever once state he lived due to the coffin. Only from Jonathan and his leftover life energy.
 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/Z6F8TabKw53 Also this feat. Was actually against (after all burning down houses will not be building, why would burning down the mansion be that high? ) but noticed something, yeah mansion was made of stone but but burn down definitely not meaningmelt. But then, looked up few things, like can ya burn down stone castles? Yes, via the floor boarding and wooden supports unless ya make domed roofs which the mansion had. And floor boarding? Well went through the fight the statement was claimed and , no wood, walls, floor, stairs, All solid stone .https://m.imgur.com/a/7BHJx
 
@J-Man

Yes it hits his face but we do not see his body after it. That was the explosion just as it was hitting his face, and nothing else. We need to be able to see his body fully intact after the explosion to assume that he tanked it, otherwise it's like looking at a screenshot of Buu right before he gets vaporized by Goku's spirit bomb and saying he tanked it.

Again, the whole reason DIO used he coffin in the first place was to survive the ship's destruction. When his body is found inside that exact same coffin it implies that this is how he survived it; he has no reason to crawl back into the coffin if he had already tanked the explosion, so the fact that he was found inside the coffin rules out that possibility.

Regardless, the fact that this feat is based on a plothole makes it questionable to begin with.
 
ArbitraryNumbers said:
@J-Man
Yes it hits his face but we do not see his body after it. That was the explosion just as it was hitting his face, and nothing else. We need to be able to see his body fully intact after the explosion to assume that he tanked it.
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Is like, Part 3 enough?

Just saying
 
@Monarch His body was found inside the coffin. The whole point of the coffin was to protect him from the explosion, so when he is found inside the coffin that implies this is how he survived it.

The explosion killed Jonathan, who was at least DIO's equal, and DIO was relying on the coffin to protect him. Surviving the explosion at all would make no sense in the context of the story.
 
>Yes it hits his face but we do not see his body after it.

Man he literally had an extra 18 volumes.

>otherwise it's like looking at a screenshot of Buu right before he gets vaporized by Goku's spirit bomb and saying he tanked it.

Well if Buu ended up popping up year later fine yeah he did.

>Again, the whole reason DIO used he coffin in the first place was to survive the ship's destruction

False. He made the coffin just in case anything happen. He had llitterally no intention of having any exploding fiasco happen.

>When his body is found inside that exact same coffin it implies that this is how he survived it; he has no reason to crawl back into the coffin if he had already tanked the explosion

Never said and actually implied he used all his strength taking the body and only lived because of leftover Jonathan energy meaning he was weak. Very very weak.

Exact opposite actually implied man.

>Regardless, the fact that this feat is based on a plothole makes it questionable to begin with.

No plothole exists.

At least weekly is doing a good job debunking meabd making an effort. (Although at this point he probably is on the right end my man). Ya just stating things most of which is untrue like explicitly noting the exploding boat killed Jonathan. Or he lived due to the coffin. Neither ever actually or even hinted at.

He ended up taking the body. Losing his power. Getting within the box after he tanked the exploding boat and ended up just trapping himself.
 
>Man he literally had an extra 18 volumes. The whole premise of my argument was the DIO used the coffin to survive it. In Part 1 he had no coffin to crawl into because Erina had already taken it, but in Part 3 he had the coffin again.

>Well if Buu ended up popping up year later fine yeah he did.

The only reason DIO popped up later is because Araki rewrote the story and put him in the coffin instead of Erina.

>False. He made the coffin just in case anything happen. He had llitterally no intention of having any exploding fiasco happen.

He didn't intend for that exact kind of fiasco to happen but as it was happening he made it clear that he needed the coffin in order to survive this. The fact that he is found inside that coffin implies this is how he survived, because that was the coffin's purpose.

>Never said and actually implied he used all his strength taking the body and only lived because of leftover Jonathan energy meaning he was weak. Very very weak. Exact opposite actually implied man.

I don't understand? DIO was literally found inside that exact same coffin. He already expressed that he was going to use the coffin and had confidence that it would work, and we've seen it tank the explosion in Part 1.

Yes DIO survived using Jonathan's body, but he also survived using the coffin. Erina doesn't need to make that clear because he's already shown inside the coffin, implying that's how he did it because that's the whole purpose of the coffin to begin with.

>No plothole exists.

Yes it does exist. The coffin was in two places at once; that is the plothole. It's why DIO isn't visually seen using it. In the context of Part 1, for all intents and purposes, DIO was dead until Part 3 came along and Araki rewrote the story, putting DIO in the coffin instead of Erina.

>At least weekly is doing a good job debunking meabd making an effort. (Although at this point he probably is on the right end my man).

I stand corrected on my notion of Jonathan dying from the explosion, but what is your point here? Weekly hasn't replied on this thread at all and you're implying to me that he's making a bigger effort to discuss this with you than I am?


>Or he lived due to the coffin. Neither ever actually or even hinted at.

How about the fact that DIO is found inside that exact coffin. He has no reason to crawl back into the coffin if he's already tanked the explosion and can apparently survive without air for a hundred years.

EDIT:

After some considerations I concede that DIO would've taken into account the sunlight, as we do see it becoming daytime when Erina was floating back to shore in the coffin, implying DIO would get killed by the sun at some point had he chosen to float back to shore instead of using the coffin. However this is still a plothole because the coffin was in two places at once, and Araki had to rewrite JoJo history and put DIO in the coffin to make his survival work at all. But if there is further disagreement I'm willing to concede.
 
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The explosion killed Jonathan, who was at least DIO's equal, and DIO was relying on the coffin to protect him. Surviving the explosion at all would make no sense in the context of the story.
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But he was already dead?
 
The coffin had two compartments; so we can assume that one compartment shielded Erina and the other compartment shielded Dio & Jonathan's corpse.

When Erina was rescued, they likely just dumped the coffin leading to Dio spending a hundred years at the bottom of the ocean.
 
>The only reason DIO popped up later is because Araki rewrote the story and put him in the coffin instead of Erina.

Except Joseph explicitly brought up erina and had talked about all erina had mentioned.

>He didn't intend for that exact kind of fiasco to happen but as it was happening he made it clear that he needed the coffin in order to survive this. The fact that he is found inside that coffin implies this is how he survived, because that was the coffin's purpose.

Yeah except he tanked it onscreen. Made it clear except ya ever thought Dio tried ranking a nuke before? No.

>I don't understand? DIO was literally found inside that exact same coffin. He already expressed that he was going to use the coffin and had confidence that it would work, and we've seen it tank the explosion in Part 1.

Yeah? We also seen him tank the exploding boat. And man. Rather tank an exploding boat headon or hide within a nuke proof box? He would obviously pick latter man.

>Yes it does exist. The coffin was in two places at once; that is the plothole. It's why DIO isn't visually seen using it. In the context of Part 1, for all intents and purposes, DIO was dead until Part 3 came along and Araki rewrote the story, putting DIO in the coffin instead of Erina.

Or he tanked the exploding boat and entered after? Yeah he may have been for all intents and purposes destroyed but retconned my man thus he tanked the exploding.

Ya making this much harder.

He tanked the exploding boat and entered the coffin after.
 
Damage3245 said:
The coffin had two compartments; so we can assume that one compartment shielded Erina and the other compartment shielded Dio & Jonathan's corpse.
When Erina was rescued, they likely just dumped the coffin leading to Dio spending a hundred years at the bottom of the ocean.
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That sounds ripped straight from JORGE JOESTAR, most plausible theory is that there was a second coffin.
 
How is that more plausible? They outright tell us in the beginning of Part 3 that the coffin was two compartments. Why else would they mention that?
 
Jorge joestar had him tanking the exploding boat and living and helping. For 3 days.

He did enter after he had been drained. Erina left rocks on box and drowned the box after erina had been eventually saved and found alive and Dio had been left weakened and midday.
 
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How is that more plausible? They outright tell us in the beginning of Part 3 that the coffin was two compartments. Why else would they mention that?
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Yeah except he had explicitly tanked the exploding boat with visual proof and even did so on the anime with even more explicit evidence. Erina also did not ever mention that ta Joseph and erina definitely have been aware man.
 
Dio managed to get in the coffin Erina already got in and locked shut by the time the ship exploded. Does that really sound more plausible to you? They mention it in Part 1 too IIRC to explain how Dio would be stealthily protected. If Erina was on the Atlantic, we don't know how long she was on there, nor do we know what the nearest piece of land was. If Dio did somehow manage to za warudo his way into the coffin (implying he even knew what a Stand was at the time), he could've easily done something if nighttime fell.
 
Arigarmy, Dio didn't have a Stand at that time.

Dio got into the other compartment that did not have Erina in it. Since the coffin is locked from the inside, Erina wouldn't have locked the other compartment.
 
Damage3245 said:
Arigarmy, Dio didn't have a Stand at that time.
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Yeah, no brainer, I never said he did, that's the magic of parenthetical notes. It doesn't explain how Dio got in, you have to get inside the coffin to even excavate the other compartment unless its one of those mega thin compartments where you can slide out and hide thin stuff like guns or something.
 
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