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Link to such a thing being possible? I've actually never heard of any human being able to accomplish such a feat. Regardless aim dodging a firearm is a very difficult and impressive feat, that's something most people cant even pull off.
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John Wick Lifting Strength
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I think I saw something like that in an old facebook video.
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Aim dodging? That's just outpacing the person's aim and having them miss.Its why police have low hit percentages against moving or running targets, even at super close range. If the person can aim the gun and pull the trigger when you aren't moving or has anticipated the target's movements, then the bullet will hit.
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Actually police tend to miss a lot of the time due to poor training handling fire arms. Someone much more skilled such as someone who's been in comabt in the military is obviously going to have a lot more success at hitting a target than let's say your Ordinary cop would. I don't think there's ever been a case of any human aim dodging a bullet from a close range, under a short time frame and by someone who knows how to use a gun properly. John does this repeatedly while under very bad situations and on a whim. Cops panic often, which greatly decreases your ability to focus and aim. That's much different than military firearm traning where your firearm is your primary tool and you spend months upon months training with your firearm and being taught not to panic. There's a pretty big difference in a cops ability to utilize a gun to its maximum efficiency and a soldier's ability to utilize a gun to its maximum efficiency.
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When I looked at the previous examples of John's aim dodging half of them involved the shooter missing the first shot which altered John to their location or shots that went so wide it would have never hit him in the first place.
But as before this is off topic. Do you have any evidence backing Class 1 or not.
But as before this is off topic. Do you have any evidence backing Class 1 or not.
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Throwing a rifle with enough force to send an armored soldier flying is easily a superhuman feat, because as far as I know, no human is capable of doing that.Assembled1801 said:
So I suggest you change his lifting strength from Class 1 to SuperHuman.
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So it's alright to change?
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Superhuman for now maybe. But throws seem more like a AP based thing than lifting strength.
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Yeah Im pretty sure you can't get lifting strength from a throw, that falls into ap unless Im missing something....
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That's sounds like lifting strength to me.
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How so? He threw a gun with enough force to knock a person back, how would that translate to his ability to lift objects?
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Because he threw it with that amount of strength.
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Doing something like that requires a superhuman amount of force, and sending a human flying a few meters away with a punch is already accepted as Class 5, so there should be no problem with John having SuperHuman lifting strength.
Also, you seem to be very outdated with how we classify the lifting strength feats now, as even moving a sword at high speeds can be used to find a character's lifting strength.
Also, you seem to be very outdated with how we classify the lifting strength feats now, as even moving a sword at high speeds can be used to find a character's lifting strength.
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Edit if that's the case fair enough sounds bizarre to me but if that's the case fair enough apologies for my skepticism.
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If that the case would the class 1 feat still be valid?
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What was the class 1 lifting feat?
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Snapping necks.
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Im not sure about that considering johns character Im inclined to believe his neck snapping is more about technique saying that Im no expert, so Ill wait for the calc member to answer 
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@Therefir - I belive that's from the Wikipedia page on hanging.
However, it is a mistake to believe that base lifting strength is the only thing that applies when you add in real-life technique like John uses.
It is entirely possible to break someone's neck with just above average human lifting strength and the right technique. All neck cranks are based around leverage, giving you a mechanical advantage which magnifies the force you apply. That's why spinal locks and neck cranks are banned in a lot grappling competitions.
However, it is a mistake to believe that base lifting strength is the only thing that applies when you add in real-life technique like John uses.
It is entirely possible to break someone's neck with just above average human lifting strength and the right technique. All neck cranks are based around leverage, giving you a mechanical advantage which magnifies the force you apply. That's why spinal locks and neck cranks are banned in a lot grappling competitions.
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Breaking a human neck is actually very difficult, you'd be surprised to know the exact amount of force is needed to snap a neck.
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I train in judo and have friends in wrestling and BJJ. I'm well aware of how much force is needed to break a human neck (a single vertebrae takes around 1000 lbf).
I'm telling you that even a can opener can cause herniated disks during light sparring if you're not careful. Your cervical spine is a pretty good lever, so if you really apply force (a good estimate would be at least 200 lbf for a ~190 lb athlete) that's going to be magnified by several times and it's all going to be on the single vertebrae you've isolated.
Also, when John throws a gun the guy doesn't fly backwards, he literally just flips/lands on his back. It's pain and a loss of balance from his center of mass being thrown out of alignment not the momentum of the object. Peope are conflating the higher energy of the bullet to its momentum. A bullet may be fast but it weighs almost nothing so momentum is tiny and vice versa for the gun. It's not a superhuman feat.
I'm telling you that even a can opener can cause herniated disks during light sparring if you're not careful. Your cervical spine is a pretty good lever, so if you really apply force (a good estimate would be at least 200 lbf for a ~190 lb athlete) that's going to be magnified by several times and it's all going to be on the single vertebrae you've isolated.
Also, when John throws a gun the guy doesn't fly backwards, he literally just flips/lands on his back. It's pain and a loss of balance from his center of mass being thrown out of alignment not the momentum of the object. Peope are conflating the higher energy of the bullet to its momentum. A bullet may be fast but it weighs almost nothing so momentum is tiny and vice versa for the gun. It's not a superhuman feat.
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Superhuman still sounds best to me. I've had things thrown at me before and never "lost my balance" like that soldier supposedly did.
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Have you ever been hit in the head with a gun? Cause those things have some solid weight to them
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So does armor.
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Wearing heavy body armor hinders balance rather helps it....
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Eh armor doesn't hinder balance that much, but the weight of the armor doesn't help in any way either.
Again it's not a case of momentum vs momentum, it's body mechanics, where your center of mass shifts past your support points aka your feet. This video (skip to 7:48) gives a pretty good explanation and example.
Here's the video of the feat (skip to 1:31 and slow to 0.25), the guy is literally already tilting backwards (it looks like he's trying to stop and/or backpedal to dodge), so his center of mass is already closer to the edge of his support points. He's trying desparately to block the gun with his arm or avoid it, so when it hits him in the chest/neck it pushes him off balance just enough to make him land on his back.
Again it's not a case of momentum vs momentum, it's body mechanics, where your center of mass shifts past your support points aka your feet. This video (skip to 7:48) gives a pretty good explanation and example.
Here's the video of the feat (skip to 1:31 and slow to 0.25), the guy is literally already tilting backwards (it looks like he's trying to stop and/or backpedal to dodge), so his center of mass is already closer to the edge of his support points. He's trying desparately to block the gun with his arm or avoid it, so when it hits him in the chest/neck it pushes him off balance just enough to make him land on his back.
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I said flip before, but more accurately is land on his back. If the guard actually ******* made like a 360 flip that would be clearly superhuman.
Again though this is a easily accomplished real life feat like I described above, especially as the guard was already in a unstable stance.
Basically none of his feats require superhuman lifting strength.
Again though this is a easily accomplished real life feat like I described above, especially as the guard was already in a unstable stance.
Basically none of his feats require superhuman lifting strength.
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How about '''Athletic Human''' possibly '''Superhuman'''
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There's other action movie characters that has at least class 1 lifting strengths in this site.
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A lot of them are class 1 for breaking necks.
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Which is something that should be investigated further considering with the correct technique atheltic human would be more then enough to accomplish such a feat
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Class 1 is only for a neck break without isolating the neck and with minimal leverage.
Basically, the key difference is that the way most fictional characters break necks wouldn't work without superhuman strength. In contrast, most of John's combat is at least semi-realistic.
Basically, the key difference is that the way most fictional characters break necks wouldn't work without superhuman strength. In contrast, most of John's combat is at least semi-realistic.
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I still think some of those profiles should be investigated as from memory most action movie heros use certain holds/leverage to snap necks. Of course thats not the focus of this crt so sorry for the distraction.
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