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Elemental Battlegrounds (Roblox) revisions & downgrades

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@Arkansalter2 has been dedicated to making a bunch of threads with this character, so it's been dragged back into my field of vision. There's a couple of problems with the profile:

Tiering changes (High 7-C --> 7-C)
The profile uses this blog for their High 7-C tiering, which has a 287 kiloton feat (mid-end for the meteor) and a 312 kiloton feat (ice sphere generation). There are two problems with this:

  1. One of the AP feats scales off of a giant freezing feat (Vehement Blizzard). I don't believe this is usable for AP.
  2. The meteor feat (Meteor Declivity) has been scaled incorrectly & uses 40 km/s for the meteor's speed. A year after I made that blog, I made another that scaled it correctly & used 11 km/s for the speed and got around baseline 7-C.
Not sure about the useability of the Volcanic Eruption feat on the blog considering it runs the silly assumption that the lava comes out from the ground (even though Lava spells are literally shown to just create that shit out of thin air so it's 100% plausible that they're just creating explosions of magma. Unlike Earth spells, which have descriptions stating that they pull earth from the environment to attack - including the meteors that are stated to pull out of space).

AP should be changed to something like 7-C. High 7-C Environmental Destruction via Vehement Blizzard. Pretty simple.




Speed Upgrade
There are multiple elements based off of light - Light (showcase), and Spectrum (showcase). Light is clearly based off of manipulating light to attack (they have a laser beam to attack with) and several of their move descriptions are stated to harness power from sunlight. Spectrum is based off of the fact that light splits into a spectrum when it goes through a prism. Light is literally just manipulating light to attack, Spectrum's abilities are all over the place, but the ult itself creates a giant prism that is stated be a a "prism of light" as per the wiki page I linked.

In light's case, the only move that implies lightspeed would be the M1 (travels in a straight line, the element itself harnesses sunlight to attack), and Spectrum only has the prism. But there's one more move that definitely references light & functions like it.

Illusion (showcase) has a move called Refraction, which has the following description:

"User fires a beam that reflects off multiple mirrors that deal medium damage and create a dense darkness around their opponent."
"Beam" can be vague in what it refers, but it is literally stated to be a "beam" that reflects between mirrors in a straight line. The name is an incorrect label for the attack; refraction is light passing from one medium to another and subsequently changing in angle & speed as it does. The attack does, however, depict light reflecting off of mirrors (which is literally stated above in its description). The name being wrong could be a deliberate misdirection (an illusion). The spell's name is a subtle joke. The spell is called "Refraction", but it actually depicts "reflection". Formerly Chuck's.

Illusion also has another spell called Trichotomy with a similar looking beam that has the following description:
"User becomes a beam of light that will then use magic mirrors to transport the user in the direction of their mouse cursor position and create 2 other clones of themselves."
This is possibly implies that Illusion has some degree of Light Manipulation. Given the element's theming is Illusions & the fact that mirrors are involved, the Refraction spell is likely using a beam of light to attack.

Given these reasons, the player should be able to get some kind of lightspeed rating from this feat. I calculated the player at being baseline Sub-Relativistic from this feat before.


Powers & Abilities Cleanup
I haven't touched the profile in forever and people added a couple of things to the Powers & Abilities section. I'll just gloss over which ones I would like changed:

Removals
  • Chaos Manipulation
This is an easy mistake to make. There is a Chaos element (showcase), and if you can manipulate fire with Fire spells and earth with Earth spells, why wouldn't you be able to manipulate chaos (entropy????) with Chaos spells? Let's take a gander at every spell description:

Chaos Zone

"User casts bullets of chaotic energy from another realm and then releases them into the direction of their choice."
Limited Dimensional Travel specific to summoning "chaotic energy".
Space-Time Rupture
'User splits space and time and uses it to expel a close range beam from above."
Limited Spatial Manipulation and Limited Time Manipulation in order to summon a beam, alright.

Disorder Ignition

"User grabs their opponent and ignites them with chaotic flames that deplete mana and stamina while also leeching health. Press Y to swap places with your opponent."
Fire Manipulation and Teleportation (position swapping) with Status Effect Inducement

Order Break

'User casts a strong blast that deals more damage the closer they are to their opponent."
....this is literally just Energy Projection.....

Swords Dance (Bobsican ping)
'User summons an array of swords with dark energy that can be controlled by the casters mouse to stun and deal high damage to an opponent."
Summoning and Energy Manipulation

None of these moves reference manipulating entropy to cause shit to happen or whatever. It's just a variety of attacks that either use "dark energy" to attack or summons shit via "rupturing space-time" or summoning stuff from a different realm.

  • Technology Manipulation
This is based off of the Technology element (showcase). This makes the same mistake of assuming that the name is 1:1 with what it does.

Hyperang
"User has an inventory of 3 boomerangs that at max charge can stun players and deal low damage. Boomerangs that connect with the ground will be disabled for 6 seconds."
I don't think this really counts as anything. You can like charge up the boomerangs I guess, maybe you do it with energy?


Vortex Bomb
"User compresses energy into a powerful bomb that will pull players in and deal high damage upon its explosion. Automatically explodes after a short time."
Energy Manipulation (Able to compress energy into a powerful bomb)


Light Disc
"User may click briefly to surf on a lightning disc for a short distance, which will be lunged off and fire 3 mini disc bullets. Alternatively, hold your click to deal massive damage with the large lightning disc."
Electricity Manipulation (Can summon a "lightning disc")


Orbital Strike
"User summons 3 massive energy beams from above that will pull players far away and deal high damage."
Energy Projection via summoning energy beams.


Virtual Zone
"User meditates to build their maximum capacity of power, which when released will pull in the closest player to a digital region where the world attacks them and deals massive damage."
Immersion and Limited BFR (Traps the enemies inside of a digital realm for a period of time)

Same song and dance as Chaos. At least Technology has like a couple of moves that have something to do with tech lolll.

  • Bone Manipulation

Nothing actually wrong with the bone manip part. The element is a joke element awarded to very specific people and isn't something you obtain through regular gameplay. Plain and simple.

Additions
Transmutation (Via Absorbing Slime. Can turn projectiles into living slimes & sticky blobs on contact)

Slime Element (showcase) has a spell called Absorbing slime (showcase), with the following description:
"User summons a slime that absorbs all incoming projectiles into living slimes and slimy projectiles; it also sticks nearby opponents.
While this could be seen as absorption, it can turn almost any projectile in the game into slime. This includes Spectrum's light-based attacks. This is pretty bluntly transmutation.

Changes
  • Intangibility --> Possibly Elemental Intangibility
Reaper's Reaper's Seal spell (showcase) is listed as a reasoning for intangibility for some reason. This spell turns you into a purple mist that travels a short distance and is described as being "teleportation". You can literally get grabbed by a physical attacking spell. Case closed.


On the other hand, there's a spell that allows you to turn into a puddle of acid:
Septic Splatter (Showcase, wiki page)
"User can charge up to become a controllable puddle of acid that will absorb and then tackle any enemy that they touch and deal low damage."
The user is stated to literally become a controllable puddle of acid.

Some form of Elemental Intangibility could work because of Septic Splatter literally stating that you can become a puddle of acid. You can be harmed by attacks such as fireballs, but that makes sense considering you're a puddle of acid and not like a ghost or something.
 
Aw man.

Unfortunately I support.
IT'S TIME TO GIVE JOHN EBG SOME 7-C FODDERS... yay.... FU-
 
EBGods it can't end like this....
I tried so hard... I got so far...
would this affect our LB vs John match i mean i kinda forgot it anyway-
If this CRT gets accepted, then it would be a stomp for LB.

Aw man now I gotta find Fodder 7-C's.
But hey, at least I get to put him in this.

I AM THE ROBLOX SUPPORTER! I WILL NOT GIVE UP ON THIS CHARACTER!
I WILL PUT HIM UP AGAINST HANMA! I WILL PUT HIM AGAINST VERY CANCEROUS RODENT!
I SHALLN'T GIVE UP ON MY LOVELY JOHN EBG!
 
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ENTER JOHN GEAR
 
unfortunately I agree, just wait for his upgrade ( Elemental Warzone ) to be finished as i think they will put more better feats there than the meteor.
 
Agree (holy **** I have not seen anything relating to this game in like 7 years)
 
Btw after this CRT, the new AP would be 46.6 KT (because if he was baseline, he would be straight up an unusable piece of s***).
 
Not sure about the useability of the Volcanic Eruption feat on the blog considering it runs the silly assumption that the lava comes out from the ground (even though Lava spells are literally shown to just create that shit out of thin air so it's 100% plausible that they're just creating explosions of magma. Unlike Earth spells, which have descriptions stating that they pull earth from the environment to attack - including the meteors that are stated to pull out of space).
Alright I will justify this since I actually have time to do so.
Firstly, the move is called Volcanic Eruption. The move states "User shoots pulses of lava columns in an outwards direction dealing medium damage and a brief stun."
Now, the move is called Volcanic Eruption because the move is going up. The stun? Up. The paralysis? Up. What directions do volcanoes shot stuff when they erupt? You guessed it! Up.

The Volcanic Eruption feat should still be used. There's very multiple other instances where moves are able to originate from the ground up.
 
Alright I will justify this since I actually have time to do so.
Firstly, the move is called Volcanic Eruption. The move states "User shoots pulses of lava columns in an outwards direction dealing medium damage and a brief stun."
Now, the move is called Volcanic Eruption because the move is going up. The stun? Up. The paralysis? Up. What directions do volcanoes shot stuff when they erupt? You guessed it! Up.

The Volcanic Eruption feat should still be used. There's very multiple other instances where moves are able to originate from the ground up.
The thing with those other elements is that they have descriptions of their feats.

Great Tree of Abolition
"The User summons a tree from the earth with powerful nature orbs that deal high damage and stun."
This blatantly stated to come from the earth

Flurry Heave
"User throws magic ice projectiles at targets which each deal medium damage."
The rest of Ice's moves don't really harvest water from the atmosphere & freeze it, or generate "cold" from the air or whatever. They just.... kinda create ice out of the blue. The flurry heave charging animation could be a fun little nod to making snowballs & throwing them.

Articulated Spikes
"User pulls earth from the ground in the direction of their mouse cursor that deals medium damage."
Actually, all of Earth's moves (except Rock Armor, although they could be plating themselves with rock) imply that they harness the rocks (earth) around them. Looking at it, stone fist could just be using Earth Manipulation to surround their fist with stone. Assuming Articulated Spikes comes from the earth is correct because it literally says it "pulls earth from the ground"

Blue Arson
"Summons a shadowy phoenix where clicked which disperses flames on the surrounding area. The fire will heal your entire party, but scorches & very shortly stuns opponents"
This is literally just summoning. It could be coming out of the ground, but not from like 20 kilometers below.


For Lava's move pool, i'll go over all of the moves' descriptions.

Scorching Basalt
"User fires a large amount of medium damage bullets that have a heavy weight to them."
It's not described that the bullets are lava, but it can be assumed they are because 1). the element is Lava and 2). the name of the attack. It doesn't explain how the bullets are created, just that the user "fires" them.

Incinerating Burst
"User shoots a fast traveling burst of lava that can potentially do high damage."
User shoots lava from their body to attack, makes sense. It can be assumed that the user also shoots lava from their body based on the previous move's description

Magma Drop
"User stuns the target and rains lava upon them dealing high damage."
The attack shows lava coming from above the enemy, so it can be assumed that the user can summon lava from different locations with their Lava spells.

Volcanic Eruption
"User shoots pulses of lava columns in an outwards direction dealing medium damage and a brief stun."
It's never stated here that they're "pulling lava from the ground to erupt", it's just that they "shoot pulses of lava columns in an outwards direction". Volcanic eruption could just be a funny little name that the spell has. They could just be using their Lava creating powers to just make lava explode on nearby locations.

Searing Heave
"User shoots streams of lava in the direction of their mouse cursor dealing massive damage and issuing a stun"
The user literally just creates a big orb of lava and ***** onto enemies with it. Same "summoning lava out of nowhere and attacking with it" gimmick.


None of these moves imply that they're "pulling lava out of the ground" like Earth does. All of them rely on just summoning lava and attacking with it. It doesn't need to be assumed that Volcanic Eruption actually pulls lava out of the ground.
 
True but I do believe that the Volcanic Eruption calc can be used due to the Volcanic Eruption after pools which imply that they actually do come from the ground.
 
u gotta put John Aracne on matches like how arkan put john ebg and combat on matches possible
I've tried but so far we've got zero wins. I've tried with Iris and Carina, and Iris has a recorded loss.

Iris almost had a win against Yuji's 1st key but his profile was revised during the vote so Yuji actually won that one.


I can't seem to find any matchups that aren't stomps in one or the other's favor.
 
u might need help from arkan guy he seems to always find matches
I've tried but so far we've got zero wins. I've tried with Iris and Carina, and Iris has a recorded loss.

Iris almost had a win against Yuji's 1st key but his profile was revised during the vote so Yuji actually won that one.


I can't seem to find any matchups that aren't stomps in one or the other's favor.
 
This all seems pretty logical to me, unless someone has objections they'd like to tell me.
 
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