Joe Goldberg teeny tiny revision

[King_Dom470]

Attack Potency: Street level strength feels warranted: Stunned Cary with a punch (Cary was previously able to injure Joe so this means Joe was able to notably injure someone who is street level), easily regained the upperhand on Lukas and knocked him out in one punch and knocked out Roald by slamming him into the ground a couple times which FYI lasted probably more than 15 minutes

Lifting Strength: At least Above Average Human (Joe can lift bodies which for men would mean he's carrying at least 80 kg), Although I do think that Athletic Human could also work (Overpowered and strangled Vic, accidentally strangled Rhy's with his bare hands, threw Henderson down the stairs hard enough for him to snap his neck, and granted Cary was stunned he was still able to overpower and push him over)

Obviously this would give Joe Peak Human Physical Characteristics

 

[Shiraito983]

agree

 

[MarkGoldbridge]

yup

 

[King_Dom470]

Bump

 

[King_Dom470]

bump

 

[Vzearr]

Attack Potency: Street level strength feels warranted: Stunned Cary with a punch, easily regained the upperhand on Lukas and knocked him out in one punch and knocked out Roald by slamming him into the ground a couple times which FYI lasted probably more than 15 minutes

Gonna have to disagree. These are all completely do-able by average humans.

Lifting Strength: At least Above Average Human (Joe can lift bodies which for men would mean he's carrying at least 80 kg), Although I do think that Athletic Human could also work (Overpowered and strangled Vic, accidentally strangled Rhy's with his bare hands, threw Henderson down the stairs hard enough for him to snap his neck, and granted Cary was stunned he was still able to overpower and push him over)

I'm fine with above average. Athletic lifting strength doesn't have enough evidence behind it in my opinion.

 

[King_Dom470]

Gonna have to disagree. These are all completely do-able by average humans.

Cary is a huge guy he'd probably be at least street level himself and Joe was able to nearly kill him. and unless your a really strong person theres no way your knocking a person out in one punch while already injured and exhausted especially not for the amount of time he knocked the both of them out for. In normal boxing matches (with professional fighters mind you) most people only get knocked out for a couple seconds any longer usually means brain damage

 

[King_Dom470]

Also didn’t mention this but Joe bested a trained body guard who was armed with a gun with basically no injuries and did so in seconds

 

[Vzearr]

Cary is a huge guy he'd probably be at least street level himself

You would need to prove that, being a big guy doesn't make you street level.

and Joe was able to nearly kill him

He pushed him ? The fall did most of the damage. Not Joe

In normal boxing matches (with professional fighters mind you) most people only get knocked out for a couple seconds any longer usually means brain damage

They wear gloves, entirely different.

Also didn’t mention this but Joe bested a trained body guard who was armed with a gun with basically no injuries and did so in seconds

That old dude ?

 

[King_Dom470]

You would need to prove that, being a big guy doesn't make you street level.

He's gigantic, he is shown to be far stronger than Joe when they fight but even with that he was able to stun Cary with a punch. and could even tank a hit from Cary seconds prior to this. He's shown to be very active throughout season 3, he's blatantly street level.

He pushed him ? The fall did most of the damage. Not Joe

Yes but he was able to push him

They wear gloves, entirely different.

Fine but even so knocking someone out for even a couple minutes is an impressive feat of strength let alone doing while tired, injured in one hit and doing it twice back to back. for at least 15 minutes but probably more

That old dude ?

Regardless of his age I'm fairly certain he had prior experience as either a cop or military.

And even if he wasn’t defeating a large above average strength guy as quickly and cleanly as he did is impressive especially given that he had a gun

 

[Vzearr]

He's gigantic, he is shown to be far stronger than Joe when they fight but even with that he was able to stun Cary with a punch. and could even tank a hit from Cary seconds prior to this. He's shown to be very active throughout season 3, he's blatantly street level.

He's 6 foot dude, he's not a giant.

Yes but he was able to push him

Pushing a human back doesn't require much force at all.

Fine but even so knocking someone out for even a couple minutes is an impressive feat of strength let alone doing while tired, injured in one hit and doing it twice back to back. for at least 15 minutes but probably more

Yeah, but not street level impressive.

Regardless of his age I'm fairly certain he had prior experience as either a cop or military.

This would make him skilled, it wouldn't really increase his attack potency or durability. He's still an older fellow who isn't anywhere near a prime peak athlete.

And even if he wasn’t defeating a large above average strength guy as quickly and cleanly as he did is impressive especially given that he had a gun

The gun part adds nothing. Its just a matter of skill.

 

[King_Dom470]

He's 6 foot dude, he's not a giant.

Regardless he can hurt Joe who has street level durability meaning Cary is street level and he can stun cary so Joe is street level

Pushing a human back doesn't require much force at all.

It's the fact that he can stun Cary enough to push him over with not much struggle

Yeah, but not street level impressive.

Definitely is, this means Roald probably got brain damage which is street level

 

[Elizhaa]

Regardless he can hurt Joe who has street level durability meaning Cary is street level and he can stun cary so Joe is street level

It's the fact that he can stun Cary enough to push him over with not much struggle

Definitely is, this means Roald probably got brain damage which is street level

Street level seem fine.

Above Average Human seem fine; Athletic Human need more proof that Joe can at least lift the required weight or apply the required force, which does not seem sufficient since none of the characters lifted looked to weigh much less or had the force applied to them.

 

[King_Dom470]

Street level seem fine.

Above Average Human seem fine; Athletic Human need more proof that Joe can at least lift the required weight or apply the required force, which does not seem sufficient since none of the characters lifted looked to weigh much less or had the force applied to them.

Sounds good thanks for the input

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

looks good

 

[Cropfist]

Disagree with street level base AP.

 

[King_Dom470]

Disagree with street level base AP.

He injured someone who is street level. And gave two other guys varying degrees of brain damage while injured

 

[King_Dom470]

bump

 

[MarkGoldbridge]

I think 1 staff vote for a fairly small verse is enough.

 

[Vzearr]

I think 1 staff vote for a fairly small verse is enough.

You'd need two for an AP jump iirc.

 

[Cropfist]

He injured someone who is street level. And gave two other guys varying degrees of brain damage while injured

Why does he need street level weapons, if he is that strong naturally?

 

[King_Dom470]

Why does he need street level weapons, if he is that strong naturally?

Piecing damage? Also thats not how weapons work. His weapons would just be a higher level of street level. So the new thing would be something like "higher with weapons"

 

[King_Dom470]

You'd need two for an AP jump iirc.

Looked in the discussion rules it doesn’t say anything about that. This is pretty minor so I think one could be enough