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Shouldn’t Joe get Coercion for basically blakcmailig Maddie and others throughout the season

 

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I think you should ask some staff members (from their profiles) to check the crt, it would be faster and more efficient.

 

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Intellgence. Feats to add to joes profile

Gives Benji a drug and puts him to sleep that way, then he takes a picture of him and posts the picture on Instagram with the location being Massachuetts so that Joe can draw attention away and also make Beck not worry about Benji.

(1x6 11:45) Joe sees a cop car approaching him when he stopped in front of the road, Joe rolls down a window and greets the officer, when the officer asks for license and registration Joe answers by saying that he was robbed, when the officer ask by who, Joe just looks him instead of answering, probably because he sustained several heavy injuries in a day, then the officer asks his name and Joe quickly responds by saying Spencer Hewitt, then the officer ask him to step out of the car and show his face, when the officer sees his face Joe responds by saying that just some kids beat him up, Joe haves a quick chit chat with the officer and sees him going to his car to check the car’s plate, Joe quickly distracts the officer by saying that does he get out in the water much and if he does he can come with him next summer when his dad brings his boat from Nantucket, this distracts the officer and he just lets Joe goe without checking his plate.

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(1x6 36:18) After he gets hit in the head, Joe wakes up, and sees Peach holding a gun at him, Peach starts asking some questions and Joe answers all of them, then Peach says you are my stalker to Joe, but Joe isn’t taking her serious but instead he is laughing and saying why would he attack her, then Peach asks him why is he here again, then Joe redirects the same question to her, Peach gets stunned, then she says Beck is much better off with her, after Peach notices Benji’s watch on Joe’s wrist, she starts to freak out, but Joe changes the direction of the conversation and says I have seen all of the files on your computer, Beck’s nude pictures, and he says is that for blackmail or personal use, and he also says that he took a copy of these files, after this Joe says that if something happens to him, his associate Paco is ordered to release these into the internet and send a link to your address book, Joe then starts to say that Beck is never going to love you they way you love her over and over, this makes Peach go crazy and she shoots at the ceiling, this gives the perfect timeframe for Joe to escape, he runs outside buts ends up getting shot in the leg, he plays dead until Peach comes nearby and Joe makes her trip, Joe shoots her in a struggle, after that Joe makes it look like a suicide by writing a suicide note.

(1x9 22:20) Beck learns about Candace and she gets mad at Joe, Beck says that Joe needs to tell what happened with Candace, Joe realizes where this conversation is going to lead to so he says he doesn’t know why he is having nightmares about Candace, but Beck insists that Joe tells what really happened anyway, Joe had previously said that she went to Italy but Beck says there is no evidence of it and she is going crazy, Joe acts surprised and says what do you mean by evidence, Beck says that she has been completely off social media and who moves to Italy and doesn’t post a picture, then Beck brings up that Candace’s brother thinks that she was killed too, Joe says that her brother also thought he was a russian spy, he attacked her mom with a knife, he tried to commit suicide 6 times, and Joe says that having him committed was the best thing Candace could have done, implying that her brother is mentally ill, then Joe shows “Candace’s” Instagram account to Beck, saying that she changed her name after going to Italy, however, Joe had prepared this account beforehand and post some fake pictures there in case something like this happens, Beck becomes convinced that Joe is telling the truth.

(1x10 43:39) Beck tries to escape the basement after she hit Joe in the head with mallet, but while she is trying Joe overpowers and strangles her to death, Joe uses the things she wrote at the cage to cover up the murder, Beck previously wrote about how she found out about Dr. Nicky’s secret box that contained evidence that tied him up to murders, when in reality it was Joe’s, but Beck wrote like that at the moment to convince Joe that they could live together, Joe goes to Dr. Nicky’s house with Beck’s body and her writings, he buries her body in Dr. Nicky’s backyard, while also planting the box, then Joe goes on to send the papers that Beck wrote on to Blythe, Beck’s graduate student friend, who tells the police about it, then the police come to Dr. Nicky’s house and arrest him, Joe successfully framed him.

(3x2 01:30) At the end of the last episode, Love had killed Natalie because she was jealous and she didn’t know what to do so she called Joe, not telling that she killed someone, Joe arrives and sees the body, he gets angry at Love, Love shows a box that contained private items of Natalie, and even though Joe said he wasn’t having an affair, it was clear that Joe was obsessed with Natalie, after this Joe quickly makes a plan on the spot to dispose the body, he picks up her phone because its traceable, he unlocks the phone and does some things, while doing this Love tells Joe that she signed a contract that makes her the owner of the place (the crime scene), Joe quickly takes the contract out of her hand, he tells Love that Natalie needs to disappear, Joe says that her body couldn’t be found because otherwise they’d do an autopsy on her and understand that it was a homicide, at the same time he thinks about he also needs to hide her electronic devices and car, because they could lead to the crime scene through recent locations, he says that he needs to move the body and her things in two different places, when Love asks him where, he tells him there is a forest 30 minutes away from here that they could hide the body in, he wraps her up in garbage bags and picks up her phone again, he texts her husband and says that she is going to a cabin in the woods, Joe also remembers to copy her texting style while doing this, the cabin is a perfect place to hide her electronic devices and her car that Joe picked on the spot, after this he loads her body in her car, and Joe dresses up as her so that he wouldn’t get caught to the traffic cameras incase there is any, he arrives to the forest and buries her with the murder weapon, he also remembers to take out her teeth because of the dental records, he then drives to the cabin to plant her things. Incase something happened, Joe had observed another place to move the body to, when they learn that Matthew’s husband made her wear a ring that shows her location, Joe and Love drove to where Joe buried the body and took out the ring but it turned out to be broken, but they didn’t know when did it broke, so it could have been broken when Joe buried the body, which would lead to the last location of the ring being near the body thus Matthew finding the body, so Joe decided to move the body to the place he previously observed.

4x8 03:24) Joe tricked Marianne into thinking that he let her go, when in reality he (actually Rhys) didn’t. He made a really good strategy to imprison her, here it is. While talking with Elliot, Joe learned that she was going abroad by train at 8 am, and even though Joe didn’t want to stop him, Rhys (his second personality) wanted. Joe went to the train station on time, he saw Marianne walking by. He intentionally bumped into a guy, who bumped into Marianne, who bumped into another woman. That woman dropped her things so Marianne put her coffee on top of a bench and crouched to help her, in that little time frame, Joe added some drug into her coffee, he grabbed Marianne’s necklace from behind and quickly escaped from there. Marianne didn’t know what happened so she just thought someone had stolen it. She took a sip of his coffee and entered the train. Meanwhile, Joe was sitting on a bench right outside the train. When the effects of the drug knocked out Marianne, Joe took him home and made her sit on a chair. Before she woke up, Joe knew she would be thirsty so he put a cup of water mixed with drugs in front of her. When she woke up, she predicted it was drugged but she had to drink it to not get dehydrated. A few days pass by, and on this day Marianne pretends to drink the water but she does not. Joe thinks she is knocked out and he loads her up in a crate. Joe takes her to a place where he had built a cage (which I will explain below this). While Joe is taking her downstairs, she pushes him away and starts to run away, but Joe quickly surpasses her with his strength. Her arm gets broken when Joe throws him into the floor, then Joe throws her inside the cage and locks her up. Throughout time, Joe was trying to give her drugs over and over again so that she would become an addict. After some time, Joe stopped giving her food. This made her go insane, and made her see things like hallucinations.

Joe has lost custody to Henry he knows Kate won’t contact him so he comes up with a short term plan to visit henry. He antipated Kate would try to move Henry into a hidden area or away from him so he puts a hidden tracker under a book page him and Henry were reading he then convinces Henry’s school teacher to give the book to Henry. He then follows Henry to a Lockwood safe house he knew Bryce (his personal security would be guarding) So he Texted Bryce from an unknown number, pretending to be his ex-girlfriend to divert him away from guarding the warehouse’s front door joe also has a bag to look like a food driver or delivery service worker he then manages to get into the house and talk to Henry

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Joes main grand plan in season 5
joes main goal was to gain custody of Henry he was going to do this by basically getting rid of every Lockwood family member.


PART 1


he first started by framing Maddie and Harrison for the death of Reagan by planting Reagan's teeth in Harrison's bag sense Maddie was faking being Reagan she also get arrested nobody would believe there story+ Joe had a video of her killing Reagan just in case they fought back this not only removed both of them as s issue it also explains Reagan’s death.He knew this would lead Kate to newyork and back home he followed Kate then gets injected with a needle. Joe wakes up in his cage with Nadia and Kate next to him they say that all the keys in the cage was gone


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Nadia and Kate try to get Joe to confess to his crimes and that they will let him go to a island or they will kill him (he knows there lying about letting him go to an island) he gets Nadia to go upstairs with Kate after rage baiting them. Joe then gets a hidden key out of his arm after planting it there ) Joe read through Kate's/Nadia's plan so he purposefully let himself get trapped, so that she will think things are going there way. Joe intentionally left there plan unnoticed so Joe
can execute a better plan later that will help him clear his name


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Joe escapes the cage he fought then shot Kate to kill her his plan was to kill Kate and it was going to work until Maddie got out on bail and burned the place down which led to Joe getting hit by Kate and making his confessing.Even though this plan doesn't work because Joe had no way of knowing Maddie would've gone out on bail and done that joes plan was extremely well done and basically executed fully if Maddie didn't interfere he would've won.


Joe easily beat Kate here

 

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Joe's first kill of the season is Bob Kate's uncle. Bob was the person who was trying to make an exposing article on Kate. Joe managed to figure out that Bob was the person behind it. After Kate confronted Bob he black mailed Kate into letting him write that article on her and told her he knew about her covering up Rhys death. Kate gives Joe permission to kill Bob to keep them safe but how does Joe kill Bob? Joe Observed the area around Bob’s house and quickly noticed the security camera was unplugged, deducing it was only there for appearance—allowing him to walk onto the property and enter the house undetected Joe then handcuffed Bob to his chair and plays music Bob looks at Joe as he wakes up Bob looks at Joe shocked after realizing what’s gonna happen Joe then says there is it that look for as long as they know you they never know you. Joe then goes with the lasso he got from bobs weapons wall and strangles him with it on the nose to strangle around a lasso know much about Buffalo Bob isn’t oh you missed this you feel so ******* alive after Bob dies Joe writes a sucide note as him done you have to finish the story an email to all interested parties from Buffalo Bob came confessing he was a man with demons who made up a lie about Kate regretted it and retracted it before hanging himself.


Before the season) Joe became a famous celebrity known as Prince Charming by the public. He has adapted to Kate’s family for 3+ years and Joe managed to resist his urge to kill or harm people. Joe also hid his true personality from Kate and the other Lockwoods acting as if his life is perfect.

(5x1 5:00) While at a charity fundraising event Joe is in the bathroom and he sees a man who’s trying to extort Kate Joe is tempted to kill him but decides not to is that the guy trying to extort you You and Kate came to New York with a promise to help each other do good To be good It's a challenge But Kate can fight her own battles You don't need to spring into action on her behalf You have a great life It's just not worth the risk Although there are times you miss who you used to be Felt good to rid the world of assholes but you have to behave.
m. Joe managed to figure out code names on Maddie’s phone
the hell is this dot fot code names looks like for dot two is Maddie makes Reagan dot 1 dot daughter of tom maybe but what’s fot Friend of Tom emergency meeting Friday little laddies be in town you’ve only known one person who’s said shit like little laddies bob.


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Intellgence. Feats to add to joes profile

Gives Benji a drug and puts him to sleep that way, then he takes a picture of him and posts the picture on Instagram with the location being Massachuetts so that Joe can draw attention away and also make Beck not worry about Benji.

(1x6 11:45) Joe sees a cop car approaching him when he stopped in front of the road, Joe rolls down a window and greets the officer, when the officer asks for license and registration Joe answers by saying that he was robbed, when the officer ask by who, Joe just looks him instead of answering, probably because he sustained several heavy injuries in a day, then the officer asks his name and Joe quickly responds by saying Spencer Hewitt, then the officer ask him to step out of the car and show his face, when the officer sees his face Joe responds by saying that just some kids beat him up, Joe haves a quick chit chat with the officer and sees him going to his car to check the car’s plate, Joe quickly distracts the officer by saying that does he get out in the water much and if he does he can come with him next summer when his dad brings his boat from Nantucket, this distracts the officer and he just lets Joe goe without checking his plate.

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(1x6 36:18) After he gets hit in the head, Joe wakes up, and sees Peach holding a gun at him, Peach starts asking some questions and Joe answers all of them, then Peach says you are my stalker to Joe, but Joe isn’t taking her serious but instead he is laughing and saying why would he attack her, then Peach asks him why is he here again, then Joe redirects the same question to her, Peach gets stunned, then she says Beck is much better off with her, after Peach notices Benji’s watch on Joe’s wrist, she starts to freak out, but Joe changes the direction of the conversation and says I have seen all of the files on your computer, Beck’s nude pictures, and he says is that for blackmail or personal use, and he also says that he took a copy of these files, after this Joe says that if something happens to him, his associate Paco is ordered to release these into the internet and send a link to your address book, Joe then starts to say that Beck is never going to love you they way you love her over and over, this makes Peach go crazy and she shoots at the ceiling, this gives the perfect timeframe for Joe to escape, he runs outside buts ends up getting shot in the leg, he plays dead until Peach comes nearby and Joe makes her trip, Joe shoots her in a struggle, after that Joe makes it look like a suicide by writing a suicide note.

(1x9 22:20) Beck learns about Candace and she gets mad at Joe, Beck says that Joe needs to tell what happened with Candace, Joe realizes where this conversation is going to lead to so he says he doesn’t know why he is having nightmares about Candace, but Beck insists that Joe tells what really happened anyway, Joe had previously said that she went to Italy but Beck says there is no evidence of it and she is going crazy, Joe acts surprised and says what do you mean by evidence, Beck says that she has been completely off social media and who moves to Italy and doesn’t post a picture, then Beck brings up that Candace’s brother thinks that she was killed too, Joe says that her brother also thought he was a russian spy, he attacked her mom with a knife, he tried to commit suicide 6 times, and Joe says that having him committed was the best thing Candace could have done, implying that her brother is mentally ill, then Joe shows “Candace’s” Instagram account to Beck, saying that she changed her name after going to Italy, however, Joe had prepared this account beforehand and post some fake pictures there in case something like this happens, Beck becomes convinced that Joe is telling the truth.

(1x10 43:39) Beck tries to escape the basement after she hit Joe in the head with mallet, but while she is trying Joe overpowers and strangles her to death, Joe uses the things she wrote at the cage to cover up the murder, Beck previously wrote about how she found out about Dr. Nicky’s secret box that contained evidence that tied him up to murders, when in reality it was Joe’s, but Beck wrote like that at the moment to convince Joe that they could live together, Joe goes to Dr. Nicky’s house with Beck’s body and her writings, he buries her body in Dr. Nicky’s backyard, while also planting the box, then Joe goes on to send the papers that Beck wrote on to Blythe, Beck’s graduate student friend, who tells the police about it, then the police come to Dr. Nicky’s house and arrest him, Joe successfully framed him.

(3x2 01:30) At the end of the last episode, Love had killed Natalie because she was jealous and she didn’t know what to do so she called Joe, not telling that she killed someone, Joe arrives and sees the body, he gets angry at Love, Love shows a box that contained private items of Natalie, and even though Joe said he wasn’t having an affair, it was clear that Joe was obsessed with Natalie, after this Joe quickly makes a plan on the spot to dispose the body, he picks up her phone because its traceable, he unlocks the phone and does some things, while doing this Love tells Joe that she signed a contract that makes her the owner of the place (the crime scene), Joe quickly takes the contract out of her hand, he tells Love that Natalie needs to disappear, Joe says that her body couldn’t be found because otherwise they’d do an autopsy on her and understand that it was a homicide, at the same time he thinks about he also needs to hide her electronic devices and car, because they could lead to the crime scene through recent locations, he says that he needs to move the body and her things in two different places, when Love asks him where, he tells him there is a forest 30 minutes away from here that they could hide the body in, he wraps her up in garbage bags and picks up her phone again, he texts her husband and says that she is going to a cabin in the woods, Joe also remembers to copy her texting style while doing this, the cabin is a perfect place to hide her electronic devices and her car that Joe picked on the spot, after this he loads her body in her car, and Joe dresses up as her so that he wouldn’t get caught to the traffic cameras incase there is any, he arrives to the forest and buries her with the murder weapon, he also remembers to take out her teeth because of the dental records, he then drives to the cabin to plant her things. Incase something happened, Joe had observed another place to move the body to, when they learn that Matthew’s husband made her wear a ring that shows her location, Joe and Love drove to where Joe buried the body and took out the ring but it turned out to be broken, but they didn’t know when did it broke, so it could have been broken when Joe buried the body, which would lead to the last location of the ring being near the body thus Matthew finding the body, so Joe decided to move the body to the place he previously observed.

4x8 03:24) Joe tricked Marianne into thinking that he let her go, when in reality he (actually Rhys) didn’t. He made a really good strategy to imprison her, here it is. While talking with Elliot, Joe learned that she was going abroad by train at 8 am, and even though Joe didn’t want to stop him, Rhys (his second personality) wanted. Joe went to the train station on time, he saw Marianne walking by. He intentionally bumped into a guy, who bumped into Marianne, who bumped into another woman. That woman dropped her things so Marianne put her coffee on top of a bench and crouched to help her, in that little time frame, Joe added some drug into her coffee, he grabbed Marianne’s necklace from behind and quickly escaped from there. Marianne didn’t know what happened so she just thought someone had stolen it. She took a sip of his coffee and entered the train. Meanwhile, Joe was sitting on a bench right outside the train. When the effects of the drug knocked out Marianne, Joe took him home and made her sit on a chair. Before she woke up, Joe knew she would be thirsty so he put a cup of water mixed with drugs in front of her. When she woke up, she predicted it was drugged but she had to drink it to not get dehydrated. A few days pass by, and on this day Marianne pretends to drink the water but she does not. Joe thinks she is knocked out and he loads her up in a crate. Joe takes her to a place where he had built a cage (which I will explain below this). While Joe is taking her downstairs, she pushes him away and starts to run away, but Joe quickly surpasses her with his strength. Her arm gets broken when Joe throws him into the floor, then Joe throws her inside the cage and locks her up. Throughout time, Joe was trying to give her drugs over and over again so that she would become an addict. After some time, Joe stopped giving her food. This made her go insane, and made her see things like hallucinations.

Joe has lost custody to Henry he knows Kate won’t contact him so he comes up with a short term plan to visit henry. He antipated Kate would try to move Henry into a hidden area or away from him so he puts a hidden tracker under a book page him and Henry were reading he then convinces Henry’s school teacher to give the book to Henry. He then follows Henry to a Lockwood safe house he knew Bryce (his personal security would be guarding) So he Texted Bryce from an unknown number, pretending to be his ex-girlfriend to divert him away from guarding the warehouse’s front door joe also has a bag to look like a food driver or delivery service worker he then manages to get into the house and talk to Henry

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Joes main grand plan in season 5
joes main goal was to gain custody of Henry he was going to do this by basically getting rid of every Lockwood family member.


PART 1


he first started by framing Maddie and Harrison for the death of Reagan by planting Reagan's teeth in Harrison's bag sense Maddie was faking being Reagan she also get arrested nobody would believe there story+ Joe had a video of her killing Reagan just in case they fought back this not only removed both of them as s issue it also explains Reagan’s death.He knew this would lead Kate to newyork and back home he followed Kate then gets injected with a needle. Joe wakes up in his cage with Nadia and Kate next to him they say that all the keys in the cage was gone


PART 2

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Nadia and Kate try to get Joe to confess to his crimes and that they will let him go to a island or they will kill him (he knows there lying about letting him go to an island) he gets Nadia to go upstairs with Kate after rage baiting them. Joe then gets a hidden key out of his arm after planting it there ) Joe read through Kate's/Nadia's plan so he purposefully let himself get trapped, so that she will think things are going there way. Joe intentionally left there plan unnoticed so Joe
can execute a better plan later that will help him clear his name


PART 3


Joe escapes the cage he fought then shot Kate to kill her his plan was to kill Kate and it was going to work until Maddie got out on bail and burned the place down which led to Joe getting hit by Kate and making his confessing.Even though this plan doesn't work because Joe had no way of knowing Maddie would've gone out on bail and done that joes plan was extremely well done and basically executed fully if Maddie didn't interfere he would've won.


Joe easily beat Kate here

Joe's first kill of the season is Bob Kate's uncle. Bob was the person who was trying to make an exposing article on Kate. Joe managed to figure out that Bob was the person behind it. After Kate confronted Bob he black mailed Kate into letting him write that article on her and told her he knew about her covering up Rhys death. Kate gives Joe permission to kill Bob to keep them safe but how does Joe kill Bob? Joe Observed the area around Bob’s house and quickly noticed the security camera was unplugged, deducing it was only there for appearance—allowing him to walk onto the property and enter the house undetected Joe then handcuffed Bob to his chair and plays music Bob looks at Joe as he wakes up Bob looks at Joe shocked after realizing what’s gonna happen Joe then says there is it that look for as long as they know you they never know you. Joe then goes with the lasso he got from bobs weapons wall and strangles him with it on the nose to strangle around a lasso know much about Buffalo Bob isn’t oh you missed this you feel so ******* alive after Bob dies Joe writes a sucide note as him done you have to finish the story an email to all interested parties from Buffalo Bob came confessing he was a man with demons who made up a lie about Kate regretted it and retracted it before hanging himself.


Before the season) Joe became a famous celebrity known as Prince Charming by the public. He has adapted to Kate’s family for 3+ years and Joe managed to resist his urge to kill or harm people. Joe also hid his true personality from Kate and the other Lockwoods acting as if his life is perfect.

(5x1 5:00) While at a charity fundraising event Joe is in the bathroom and he sees a man who’s trying to extort Kate Joe is tempted to kill him but decides not to is that the guy trying to extort you You and Kate came to New York with a promise to help each other do good To be good It's a challenge But Kate can fight her own battles You don't need to spring into action on her behalf You have a great life It's just not worth the risk Although there are times you miss who you used to be Felt good to rid the world of assholes but you have to behave.
m. Joe managed to figure out code names on Maddie’s phone
the hell is this dot fot code names looks like for dot two is Maddie makes Reagan dot 1 dot daughter of tom maybe but what’s fot Friend of Tom emergency meeting Friday little laddies be in town you’ve only known one person who’s said shit like little laddies bob.

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Thanks I'll make sure to add these feats in the sandbox

 

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Thanks I'll make sure to add these feats in the sandbox

No problem I got even more I can add later on to like how in season 4 he got two detectives who were immediately suspicious of Joe off him and he managed to misdirect into thinking Malcom might’ve killed Simon. And that the story is closer to home making the two make Joe clear and they even made him a trusted source

 

[Joe_goldberb]

The media learned that Malcolm was dead when the Rich Eater sent his finger to the cops. Joe looked outside of his window and saw Kate talking with cops, the cops left, and Kate saw him, she called Joe and said the cops were coming to his house. So the cops come to Joe’s house and start questioning Joe. They ask him when was the last time he saw Malcolm, Joe knows that he can’t lie because Kate has probably told the police something so he responds honestly by saying that after the party Malcolm dropped him home. The police ask if Simon Soo was at the party too, Joe confirms, then they say you were at Simon’s art ceremony the night he was killed, Joe gets frustrated at Kate for telling this to the cops but he confirms. The police say to Joe that Kate had told them Joe was avoiding cops, so Joe responds with the lie he told Kate, he says he had a work visa issue but he took care of it. Then the police say that if Malcolm took Joe home then he must be the last person he saw alive. Joe realizes that he can’t be in this position so he starts thinking fast. Joe says that because they had too many drinks Malcolm told him things he didn’t mean to reveal like how he knew Simon made his assistants do “his” art. Then he says that Malcolm probably had financial issues because of gambling so he would blackmail Simon into giving him money. Finally, he says that maybe the real story is close to home, drawing away attention from him.


(Faster thinking, Logical Thinking, Logical Reasoning, Missdirectıon Deception, Moving The Goalposts, Acting, Bluffing, Emotional Management; Composure)

 

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Joe feats to add he knocked out Beck in one hit who’s 126 joules in episode 9 and delliah which left her being bruised

 

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Is the OP actually up to date from all the discussion across the first two pages, feel like it should be adjustes so I cam give a proper evaluation

 

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Is the OP actually up to date from all the discussion across the first two pages, feel like it should be adjustes so I cam give a proper evaluation

oh yeah my bad, I've made some minor changes over the time but everything worth a change is now updated to date.

 

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Major iq feat to add for joes intellgence.
Rhys Stradgey
EE: Due to past traumas, Joe has developed a multiple personality disorder. He is so obsessively attached to the desire for love that even though he is aware that this feeling can never exist for him, he suppresses it and continues his search for love. Rhys is the result of this effort. Joe is so attached to his own obsession with love that this subconscious created the Rhys personality to keep Joe bound to love for the rest of his life, in a way that wouldn't disrupt his own personality. (In a sense, even the 5th season finale supports this, but we're not including S5.) Rhys is obsessive, just like Joe. If you examine all of his actions in S4 in detail, you will see that his goal is not only to make Joe reclaim his true self but also to help him find true love. Joe's mind is so obsessed with this idea of love that, in short, his subconscious has created a second personality for it. A case like this requires an extraordinary level of motivation and adaptation of thought processes to cognitive processes. In this respect, Joe is almost invincible. This provides him points in the Adaptation+EE+Self-Awareness categories.
EM: The best example for this is definitely Phoebe. Actually, at one point, this is also connected to Joe's hot reading and his EU. That's why I'll go into some detail here. Since this argument of mine contains EU within it, I will not create an extra subheading for EU. Of course, I don't think this is Joe's entire EU, but even this feat would be enough for him to win against EU and EP.
From the outside, Phoebe is everyone's favorite, the center of all attention, constantly on magazine headlines, always on stage in some way, everyone around her is looking at her, talking about her; every moment of her life is like a show. But what lies beneath this image is actually a complete illusion. The truth is, Phoebe has never had real love; from her family, her circle, her boyfriend Adam, no one has given her unconditional love, real attention. That's why Phoebe is like a bird raised in a golden cage; a life to be envied from the outside, but completely empty inside, emotionally all alone. Everyone around her is just trying to get something from her status, her glamour, her name. Including Adam, they are all using Phoebe in some way; they want to be with her because the power and prestige Phoebe provides are valuable to everyone. Deep down, Phoebe is aware of this; she feels people's true intentions, the fakeness of their love, but she doesn't want to accept it. Because if she faces this reality, if she falls from the spotlight, if she's no longer the center of attention, she will be left on her own and will have to face her real fear, the feeling of being unloved. That's why she constantly strives to attract attention, to be at the forefront, to be everyone's darling, everyone's favorite. Without these things, she will feel herself in nothingness, worthless and invisible. Parties, magazines, social media… The purpose of this whole glamorous life is to somehow suppress the emptiness inside, to not feel it. At the slightest feeling of loneliness or lack of attention, she immediately runs away, afraid to face it, constantly distracting herself with something. She actually knows that everyone around her is fake, that their love is superficial, but she chooses to live in a pink story rather than accepting it; because facing the truth is emotionally much more devastating for her.
In addition to strengthening his EU+EM+Emotional Manipulation+Direct Manipulation points, Rhys, with this action, established a great, controllable foundation for his future strategy. Since Rhys's goal from the very beginning was to make Joe accept his true personality, he chose to use Joe's hatred for the rich. This was a really clever choice, but he needed to find a way for Joe to stay in constant contact with the rich. What is this way? Making someone on the inside dependent on Joe. This would create a foundation for Joe to enter that group. So why was Malcolm killed? This was not a completely meaningless murder. Even though a pawn had been chosen from among the rich, Joe himself, by nature of his personality, would never be willing to do it. Therefore, he must commit a murder and frame himself for it. If the existence of a killer is revealed, Joe's messiah complex and obsession will kick in, and he will try to play the hero. In this context, Rhys's message to Joe after Malcolm's death makes sense. If Joe thought he had killed Malcolm himself, he would have tried to continue his life as normal and would not have tried to reveal his true personality by mixing with the rich and fueling his hatred. That's why in the second episode, Joe accepted the invitation Phoebe sent him.
Remember, what I've listed so far are just the fundamental points that form the structure of the events that happened in the 1st episode of the 4th season and the strategy that was created. If you go back even before the 4th season, to the flashbacks between the end of season 3 and the beginning of season 4, you can see that the strategy began in that period. Marianne's kidnapping served a purpose: Rhys needed to create a certain level of pressure on Joe before revealing his own true identity. What would he do if Joe went off the rails in the future? (The "going off the rails" here is not Joe's state of self-acceptance.) What would happen if things didn't proceed as Rhys wanted? This would shake the structure from its foundations. Because one of the factors that makes a strategy good is related to how much it relies on unexpected factors. Normally, even in this state, the strategy was solid enough because Rhys was playing with Joe's psychology, sending him messages, constantly keeping him on standby. But there's no harm in creating a contingency. If Joe were to show any rebellion against Rhys, threatening him would never stop him at that point; just like how he never stops despite knowing that love isn't real. Can you already understand how solid Rhys's strategy's foundations were? Rhys's self-awareness was really high, and he knew how Joe's actions would end. Precautions against all the scenarios I've described to you so far were taken during the lost Paris period between the end of S3 and the beginning of S4, and Rhys's predictions came true. Joe really did try to eliminate himself in the following episodes, and by using this as a threat, Rhys made it so that Joe couldn't fully rebel against him. When you look at them, these are really basic, superficial analyses and only form the starting point of the strategy. The pinnacle of Rhys's strategy and plan was the Hampshire fire. The foundations I've listed here progressed to strengthening the relationship between Joe and Kate by using the Kate-Roald dynamic in subsequent episodes and making Joe a hero during the Hampshire events. And the Hampshire plan is one of the least analyzed but most solid plans among Joe's plans. The chance factor involved was almost zero, and with the fake letter he created, he had formed a contingency to get Joe out of the situation no matter what; he refreshed his entire image and fully adapted the strategy according to these new elements of suspicion.

 

[Joe_goldberb]

For reasoning/thinking
4x8 35:55
Nadia was late to class and seemed extremely anxious. Joe was a bit suspicious at first; she was doing research on her phone and not paying attention to the lesson. Joe wanted to test her by asking if she had read the assigned book. When Nadia said she hadn’t, it was quite surprising because she had never acted this way before. Rhys told Joe that she would cause him big trouble and, after the lesson, told him to ask her to stay if he wanted to find Marianne alive.

As for how Rhys figured it out: Nadia was already somewhat involved with the wealthy circle; she knew Malcolm and even attended the gathering in episode 6 (it wasn’t exactly a party, but I can’t think of a better word). She had been investigating the Eat-the-Rich killer quite thoroughly. Rhys realized from her nervous and suspicious behavior that she had likely solved the case and probably even found Marianne.

As for the continuation, Joe asked Nadia to stay and questioned why she was so anxious. Although Nadia claimed it was due to her relationship, Rhys immediately knew she was lying.
Abductive Reasoning , Holistic Thinking , Non-Linear Thinking , Illogical Thinking , Anticipation , EP
# Joe’s hotel feat

What exactly happened
P1: Lady Phoebe has been kidnapped.
P2: It cannot be Rhys as he said that “this was over.”
C1: Rhys cannot be the stalker.
P3: Phoebe has been saying that she has a stalker.
C2: That is the person who kidnapped her.

Where are they
P4: The stalker would’ve checked the perimeter cameras as they would’ve thought the stalker left with her.
P5: We can assume there is no time to build anything in the basement.
C3: They are in one of the hotel rooms, probably one with few or no adjoining walls
P6: There is a possibility Phoebe could scream.
C4: The room is isolated near a fire escape.

After checking the floor plan, Joe makes the final conclusion of the exact room being room 22.

All of this was done in a very short time frame.

(Deductive, Inductive, Abductive)
# Joe’s bank code feat
Feat starts at 2:47

Finding the information
P1: As seen from even his created online presence, Tom is into great men, wars, vintage planes, analog books, intel, military structures.
P2: Tom would keep his secrets in plain sight.
P3: this would be banking information.
P4: This book is seen multiple times with him in pictures.
C1: The information must be in this book.
P5: This page has a smudge on it.
C2: This must be the page with the information.

Joe had done all of this instant instantaneously.

Decoding the information
P6: There are strange symbols, numbers, and letters arranged in grids which we’re used to encrypt the information
C3: These are most likely ciphers.
P7: The codebook shows grid variations and substitution tables where symbols and numbers connect to letters through the coordinate positions.
C4: These rules applied with give me the banking information needed.

It is unknown how much time this took, but it was most likely a very short timeframe.

What to do with the information
This is the false reasoning that Joe will make the police go through.

P1: Hugo was in a financial crisis.
P2: Hugo was barely able to sleep.
C1: Hugo is not in his right mind and might find resentment to Tom.
P3: £2,000,000 is found missing from Tom Lockwood’s account.
C2: Hugo was the one to rob and kill Tom.

Joe thought of how to do this instantaneously. Joe would obviously scale above this also reasoning that he created for police.

(Deductive, Inductive, Abductive)

 

[Joe_goldberb]

Joe also managed to figure out Becks apartment was student housing
Premise 1: The house has big, naked windows.
Premise 2: The house looks too nice for what a typical student could afford alone.
Premise 3: Subsidized school housing often looks nicer than what students could normally afford and may have distinctive features like large, bare windows.
Premise 4: Beck is a student at a college.
C: This house is subsidized school housing.

 

[Joe_goldberb]

YOU Season 4, Episode 5, 30:16
First, let me explain the context: Roald caught Jonathan with the body and accused him of being a killer, bringing him in front of the wealthy group. At this point, Joe managed to keep his composure impressively well, despite Roald being almost psychopathic and holding a gun to Joe's head. Joe knew that Roald could easily kill him if he wanted to, but still managed to remain calm. In the end, Roald gave Joe an opportunity to escape, but continued to chase him with a gun, his intention being to toy with him a bit. The rest of the chase is irrelevant for the analysis. Joe hid and then attacked Roald from behind. Meanwhile, Rhys appeared and took Roald captive.

Here, there is an excellent example of VSI and deductive reasoning. Rhys (who is actually Joe) didn't know where the hidden prison in the mansion was located. Despite Joe researching the mansion online, he couldn't find any evidence of such a room or even a prison. Let's first explain the deduction:

"The secret bowels of Hampsbridge House. There's no point shouting, it's quite soundproof. See, if you research the Borehall-Blaxworths, you'll find family members who disappeared, children who... Well, they didn't fit the decor, so to speak."
(This is what Rhys said to Joe, and it provides enough clues to explain his reasoning.)

In old wealthy families, situations like this were actually quite common. When families didn’t like their children, they would lock them away in attic rooms, giving them just enough food to survive, and keeping them hidden for long periods. Upon hearing that this family had a few missing children, Rhys connected the dots and deduced that there could be a prison in the house (this is a deduction because the conclusion is certain; there are multiple missing family members. If there had only been one missing person, it would have been abductive reasoning).

As for VSI (also PRI), the very existence of such a place was unknown. Rhys even said that Lady Phoebe (a member of the family) was likely unaware of its existence. In this case, to find such a place, he would need to visualize the mansion and understand its structure. The interior of the mansion is extremely complex with the entire building being almost 17thousand square meters and Joe had to visualize all of it https://www.cvent.com/venues/knebwo...ns/venue-1cd63463-b350-404e-a08b-d6387ab96554

 

[69Blood69]

Major iq feat to add for joes intellgence.
Rhys Stradgey
EE: Due to past traumas, Joe has developed a multiple personality disorder. He is so obsessively attached to the desire for love that even though he is aware that this feeling can never exist for him, he suppresses it and continues his search for love. Rhys is the result of this effort. Joe is so attached to his own obsession with love that this subconscious created the Rhys personality to keep Joe bound to love for the rest of his life, in a way that wouldn't disrupt his own personality. (In a sense, even the 5th season finale supports this, but we're not including S5.) Rhys is obsessive, just like Joe. If you examine all of his actions in S4 in detail, you will see that his goal is not only to make Joe reclaim his true self but also to help him find true love. Joe's mind is so obsessed with this idea of love that, in short, his subconscious has created a second personality for it. A case like this requires an extraordinary level of motivation and adaptation of thought processes to cognitive processes. In this respect, Joe is almost invincible. This provides him points in the Adaptation+EE+Self-Awareness categories.
EM: The best example for this is definitely Phoebe. Actually, at one point, this is also connected to Joe's hot reading and his EU. That's why I'll go into some detail here. Since this argument of mine contains EU within it, I will not create an extra subheading for EU. Of course, I don't think this is Joe's entire EU, but even this feat would be enough for him to win against EU and EP.
From the outside, Phoebe is everyone's favorite, the center of all attention, constantly on magazine headlines, always on stage in some way, everyone around her is looking at her, talking about her; every moment of her life is like a show. But what lies beneath this image is actually a complete illusion. The truth is, Phoebe has never had real love; from her family, her circle, her boyfriend Adam, no one has given her unconditional love, real attention. That's why Phoebe is like a bird raised in a golden cage; a life to be envied from the outside, but completely empty inside, emotionally all alone. Everyone around her is just trying to get something from her status, her glamour, her name. Including Adam, they are all using Phoebe in some way; they want to be with her because the power and prestige Phoebe provides are valuable to everyone. Deep down, Phoebe is aware of this; she feels people's true intentions, the fakeness of their love, but she doesn't want to accept it. Because if she faces this reality, if she falls from the spotlight, if she's no longer the center of attention, she will be left on her own and will have to face her real fear, the feeling of being unloved. That's why she constantly strives to attract attention, to be at the forefront, to be everyone's darling, everyone's favorite. Without these things, she will feel herself in nothingness, worthless and invisible. Parties, magazines, social media… The purpose of this whole glamorous life is to somehow suppress the emptiness inside, to not feel it. At the slightest feeling of loneliness or lack of attention, she immediately runs away, afraid to face it, constantly distracting herself with something. She actually knows that everyone around her is fake, that their love is superficial, but she chooses to live in a pink story rather than accepting it; because facing the truth is emotionally much more devastating for her.
In addition to strengthening his EU+EM+Emotional Manipulation+Direct Manipulation points, Rhys, with this action, established a great, controllable foundation for his future strategy. Since Rhys's goal from the very beginning was to make Joe accept his true personality, he chose to use Joe's hatred for the rich. This was a really clever choice, but he needed to find a way for Joe to stay in constant contact with the rich. What is this way? Making someone on the inside dependent on Joe. This would create a foundation for Joe to enter that group. So why was Malcolm killed? This was not a completely meaningless murder. Even though a pawn had been chosen from among the rich, Joe himself, by nature of his personality, would never be willing to do it. Therefore, he must commit a murder and frame himself for it. If the existence of a killer is revealed, Joe's messiah complex and obsession will kick in, and he will try to play the hero. In this context, Rhys's message to Joe after Malcolm's death makes sense. If Joe thought he had killed Malcolm himself, he would have tried to continue his life as normal and would not have tried to reveal his true personality by mixing with the rich and fueling his hatred. That's why in the second episode, Joe accepted the invitation Phoebe sent him.
Remember, what I've listed so far are just the fundamental points that form the structure of the events that happened in the 1st episode of the 4th season and the strategy that was created. If you go back even before the 4th season, to the flashbacks between the end of season 3 and the beginning of season 4, you can see that the strategy began in that period. Marianne's kidnapping served a purpose: Rhys needed to create a certain level of pressure on Joe before revealing his own true identity. What would he do if Joe went off the rails in the future? (The "going off the rails" here is not Joe's state of self-acceptance.) What would happen if things didn't proceed as Rhys wanted? This would shake the structure from its foundations. Because one of the factors that makes a strategy good is related to how much it relies on unexpected factors. Normally, even in this state, the strategy was solid enough because Rhys was playing with Joe's psychology, sending him messages, constantly keeping him on standby. But there's no harm in creating a contingency. If Joe were to show any rebellion against Rhys, threatening him would never stop him at that point; just like how he never stops despite knowing that love isn't real. Can you already understand how solid Rhys's strategy's foundations were? Rhys's self-awareness was really high, and he knew how Joe's actions would end. Precautions against all the scenarios I've described to you so far were taken during the lost Paris period between the end of S3 and the beginning of S4, and Rhys's predictions came true. Joe really did try to eliminate himself in the following episodes, and by using this as a threat, Rhys made it so that Joe couldn't fully rebel against him. When you look at them, these are really basic, superficial analyses and only form the starting point of the strategy. The pinnacle of Rhys's strategy and plan was the Hampshire fire. The foundations I've listed here progressed to strengthening the relationship between Joe and Kate by using the Kate-Roald dynamic in subsequent episodes and making Joe a hero during the Hampshire events. And the Hampshire plan is one of the least analyzed but most solid plans among Joe's plans. The chance factor involved was almost zero, and with the fake letter he created, he had formed a contingency to get Joe out of the situation no matter what; he refreshed his entire image and fully adapted the strategy according to these new elements of suspicion.

For reasoning/thinking
4x8 35:55
Nadia was late to class and seemed extremely anxious. Joe was a bit suspicious at first; she was doing research on her phone and not paying attention to the lesson. Joe wanted to test her by asking if she had read the assigned book. When Nadia said she hadn’t, it was quite surprising because she had never acted this way before. Rhys told Joe that she would cause him big trouble and, after the lesson, told him to ask her to stay if he wanted to find Marianne alive.

As for how Rhys figured it out: Nadia was already somewhat involved with the wealthy circle; she knew Malcolm and even attended the gathering in episode 6 (it wasn’t exactly a party, but I can’t think of a better word). She had been investigating the Eat-the-Rich killer quite thoroughly. Rhys realized from her nervous and suspicious behavior that she had likely solved the case and probably even found Marianne.

As for the continuation, Joe asked Nadia to stay and questioned why she was so anxious. Although Nadia claimed it was due to her relationship, Rhys immediately knew she was lying.
Abductive Reasoning , Holistic Thinking , Non-Linear Thinking , Illogical Thinking , Anticipation , EP
# Joe’s hotel feat

What exactly happened
P1: Lady Phoebe has been kidnapped.
P2: It cannot be Rhys as he said that “this was over.”
C1: Rhys cannot be the stalker.
P3: Phoebe has been saying that she has a stalker.
C2: That is the person who kidnapped her.

Where are they
P4: The stalker would’ve checked the perimeter cameras as they would’ve thought the stalker left with her.
P5: We can assume there is no time to build anything in the basement.
C3: They are in one of the hotel rooms, probably one with few or no adjoining walls
P6: There is a possibility Phoebe could scream.
C4: The room is isolated near a fire escape.

After checking the floor plan, Joe makes the final conclusion of the exact room being room 22.

All of this was done in a very short time frame.

(Deductive, Inductive, Abductive)
# Joe’s bank code feat
Feat starts at 2:47

Finding the information
P1: As seen from even his created online presence, Tom is into great men, wars, vintage planes, analog books, intel, military structures.
P2: Tom would keep his secrets in plain sight.
P3: this would be banking information.
P4: This book is seen multiple times with him in pictures.
C1: The information must be in this book.
P5: This page has a smudge on it.
C2: This must be the page with the information.

Joe had done all of this instant instantaneously.

Decoding the information
P6: There are strange symbols, numbers, and letters arranged in grids which we’re used to encrypt the information
C3: These are most likely ciphers.
P7: The codebook shows grid variations and substitution tables where symbols and numbers connect to letters through the coordinate positions.
C4: These rules applied with give me the banking information needed.

It is unknown how much time this took, but it was most likely a very short timeframe.

What to do with the information
This is the false reasoning that Joe will make the police go through.

P1: Hugo was in a financial crisis.
P2: Hugo was barely able to sleep.
C1: Hugo is not in his right mind and might find resentment to Tom.
P3: £2,000,000 is found missing from Tom Lockwood’s account.
C2: Hugo was the one to rob and kill Tom.

Joe thought of how to do this instantaneously. Joe would obviously scale above this also reasoning that he created for police.

(Deductive, Inductive, Abductive)

Joe also managed to figure out Becks apartment was student housing
Premise 1: The house has big, naked windows.
Premise 2: The house looks too nice for what a typical student could afford alone.
Premise 3: Subsidized school housing often looks nicer than what students could normally afford and may have distinctive features like large, bare windows.
Premise 4: Beck is a student at a college.
C: This house is subsidized school housing.

YOU Season 4, Episode 5, 30:16
First, let me explain the context: Roald caught Jonathan with the body and accused him of being a killer, bringing him in front of the wealthy group. At this point, Joe managed to keep his composure impressively well, despite Roald being almost psychopathic and holding a gun to Joe's head. Joe knew that Roald could easily kill him if he wanted to, but still managed to remain calm. In the end, Roald gave Joe an opportunity to escape, but continued to chase him with a gun, his intention being to toy with him a bit. The rest of the chase is irrelevant for the analysis. Joe hid and then attacked Roald from behind. Meanwhile, Rhys appeared and took Roald captive.

Here, there is an excellent example of VSI and deductive reasoning. Rhys (who is actually Joe) didn't know where the hidden prison in the mansion was located. Despite Joe researching the mansion online, he couldn't find any evidence of such a room or even a prison. Let's first explain the deduction:

"The secret bowels of Hampsbridge House. There's no point shouting, it's quite soundproof. See, if you research the Borehall-Blaxworths, you'll find family members who disappeared, children who... Well, they didn't fit the decor, so to speak."
(This is what Rhys said to Joe, and it provides enough clues to explain his reasoning.)

In old wealthy families, situations like this were actually quite common. When families didn’t like their children, they would lock them away in attic rooms, giving them just enough food to survive, and keeping them hidden for long periods. Upon hearing that this family had a few missing children, Rhys connected the dots and deduced that there could be a prison in the house (this is a deduction because the conclusion is certain; there are multiple missing family members. If there had only been one missing person, it would have been abductive reasoning).

As for VSI (also PRI), the very existence of such a place was unknown. Rhys even said that Lady Phoebe (a member of the family) was likely unaware of its existence. In this case, to find such a place, he would need to visualize the mansion and understand its structure. The interior of the mansion is extremely complex with the entire building being almost 17thousand square meters and Joe had to visualize all of it https://www.cvent.com/venues/knebwo...ns/venue-1cd63463-b350-404e-a08b-d6387ab96554

Sorry that I wasn't really active these past weeks. I'll try to add these to the sandbox.

 

[69Blood69]

Also, I've seen that this calc was accepted (only AP tho), I'll try to get these accepted too.

 

[Joe_goldberb]

Sorry that I wasn't really active these past weeks. I'll try to add these to the sandbox.

Nah it’s good dw

 

[69Blood69]

UPDATE: This was accepted, so Joe is now 193 kgf (Athletic Human LS). Also this might also be accepted so Joe probably would scale to 1800-2800 J

 

[Joe_goldberb]

YOU Season 4, Episode 5, 30:16
First, let me explain the context: Roald caught Jonathan with the body and accused him of being a killer, bringing him in front of the wealthy group. At this point, Joe managed to keep his composure impressively well, despite Roald being almost psychopathic and holding a gun to Joe's head. Joe knew that Roald could easily kill him if he wanted to, but still managed to remain calm. In the end, Roald gave Joe an opportunity to escape, but continued to chase him with a gun, his intention being to toy with him a bit. The rest of the chase is irrelevant for the analysis. Joe hid and then attacked Roald from behind. Meanwhile, Rhys appeared and took Roald captive.

Here, there is an excellent example of VSI and deductive reasoning. Rhys (who is actually Joe) didn't know where the hidden prison in the mansion was located. Despite Joe researching the mansion online, he couldn't find any evidence of such a room or even a prison. Let's first explain the deduction:

"The secret bowels of Hampsbridge House. There's no point shouting, it's quite soundproof. See, if you research the Borehall-Blaxworths, you'll find family members who disappeared, children who... Well, they didn't fit the decor, so to speak."
(This is what Rhys said to Joe, and it provides enough clues to explain his reasoning.)

In old wealthy families, situations like this were actually quite common. When families didn’t like their children, they would lock them away in attic rooms, giving them just enough food to survive, and keeping them hidden for long periods. Upon hearing that this family had a few missing children, Rhys connected the dots and deduced that there could be a prison in the house (this is a deduction because the conclusion is certain; there are multiple missing family members. If there had only been one missing person, it would have been abductive reasoning).

As for VSI (also PRI), the very existence of such a place was unknown. Rhys even said that Lady Phoebe (a member of the family) was likely unaware of its existence. In this case, to find such a place, he would need to visualize the mansion and understand its structure. The interior of the mansion is extremely complex with the entire building being almost 17thousand square meters and Joe had to visualize all of it https://www.cvent.com/venues/knebwo...ns/venue-1cd63463-b350-404e-a08b-d6387ab96554

More feats he has is in these docs
Also he self cured his DID which is quite literally impossible irl and he did this casually in one day

He also Knows about how Maddie's insuln works and the effects of it which shows he has more knowledge on medicine which shows medical and chemistry knowledge

NCPS, Abductive Reasoning, and Cognitive Adaptability feat from Joe - Joe as seen in flashback before the season started in 4x8, Joe is able to predict via abduction and make NCPS’s on the thinking processes, actions, and motivations of 10+ people without having any information on them. This for obvious reasons is beyond the NPCS metric in nature and would simply be incredible abduction. The NPCS aspect very obviously gaps and Akiyama is down right awful in abduction. This is a small part of the process in this feat: Joe after placing Marianne into the cage saw that his murderous instincts were somewhat getting the better of him, so he had decided to create a whole new alternative personality, place the murderous thoughts into it, basically manipulating his emotions and the alternate personality’s emotions. He then gave the alternate personality the ability to decide who shall be in control between Joe and the alternative personality. He then locks the original personality(himself) into his subconscious and decided to erase the memories of the original(himself) of all events leading up to this and of it. He allows the actual personality to be able to remember all this. This was all so his original personality(himself) would accept his murderous urges and can defend himself for them. All of this was done in about 1-3 seconds.
Joe Goldberg’s personality manipulation feat

In season 4 episode 8 of YOU, Joe after placing Marianne into the cage saw that his murderous instincts were somewhat getting the better of him, so he had decided to create a whole new alternative personality, place the murderous thoughts into it, basically manipulating his emotions and the alternate personality’s emotions. He then gave the alternate personality t the ability to decide who shall be in control between Joe and the alternative personality. He then locks the original personality(himself) into his subconscious and decided to erase the memories of the original(himself) of all events leading up to this and of it. He allows the actual personality to be able to remember all this. This was all so his original personality(himself) would accept his murderous urges and can defend himself for them. (Cognitive Discipline, Mental Fortitude, Impulse Management, Stress Tolerance, and Perseverance)

How does it heighten these categories?

Cognitive Discipline and Impulse Management(since this basically covers both): Joe being able to split his psyche into two distinct personalities, each with specific emotional and cognitive roles showcases a hyper-control over internal processes, essentially segregating moral conflict from action. Whenever he feels an impulse to do something he should not, he could lock it into his subconscious or simply just forget about it.

Mental Fortitude and Stress Tolerance(since this covers both): Joe was able to control the emotions that are felt by him and his alternate personality. This could mean that whenever he is in a situation where he could feel threatened, he can completely control the way he feels about the situation.

Perseverance: Seeing as Joe is fully able to control his emotions as he so pleases, he could control how willing he is to go through something how he so chooses. This means that he could choose to be fully and stop at nothing at a genuine literal sense
Joe Goldberg self cure feat

In season 4 episode 10 of YOU, Joe was able to cure himself of schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder with no effort whatsoever. (Mental Fortitude, Cognitive Discipline, Impulse Management, Perseverance, and Stress Tolarence)

How does it heighten these categories?

Cognitive discipline: An effortless self‐cure of schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder would require a super-human command over one’s own thinking. It would mean being able to identify, restructure, and neutralize hallucinatory or dissociative thought patterns instantaneously.

Mental Fortitude: Dissociative identity disorder (DID) and schizophrenia are profound disruptions of the self and reality. For Joe to confront and eliminate these conditions internally, without therapy, medication, or structured intervention, suggests he possesses a mind capable of enduring a near-complete internal collapse while remaining functional.

Impulse Management: Schizophrenia and DID are cause intense fluctuating internal states. Schizophrenia may involve hallucinations, delusions, and affective disturbances, while DID features shifts in identity, memory gaps, and intense emotional episodes. To be able to function perfectly fine and be even be able to manage it to the point that you can cure yourself of it is an exceptional case of impulse management.

Stress Tolerance: Schizophrenia and DID can cause extreme psychological distress such as hallucinations, identity fragmentation, confusion, and emotional volatility create constant mental turmoil. Joe’s ability to cure himself with no effort would mean he can tolerate this overwhelming internal stress without breaking down or succumbing to panic, anxiety, or shutdown.

Perseverance: To be able to cure oneself of a severe mental illness requires the ability to persist through confusion, fear, inner chaos, and emotional fatigue.

Joe Goldberg's Insane Cognition and CPI

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Joe Goldberg crazy cognitional skills as a child

Bookstore feat By slick_editzzz on discord Summary In season 1, both episodes 2 and 10, it shows Joe as a child being forced to read and fully comprehend all books in the bookstore to make him not an “illiterate,” in Mooney’s own words. Mooney also admits that he strives for perfection, meaning ...

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Detailed Analysis of Joe Goldberg's Cage Feat

CThe Cage The Cage is the place where Joe Goldberg holds his victims throughout the seasons of You. The cage was created by Joe's father, Ivan Mooney, who used the cage as a way of safely negotiating money. [Stoled From You Fandom] General Explanation First of all, before going into the detail...

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Btw joe should get pressure points as he had to read a book on torture and used military techniques to inflict pain on Rhys balls

 

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Even more feats to add
For planning/strategy

Joe decides to plant Simon’s ear in Dawn’s bag (at the start of the episode, the Rich Eater forced Joe to either frame someone by the night or he will get caught, so the Rich Eater placed Simon’s ear in Joe’s freezer for him to take an plant on somebody). The police come into the room a few seconds after Joe plants the ear, they find the ear, and determine that Dawn is the Eat-the-Rich Killer.
Showing his quick thinking

Joe managed to plan out almost every event that occurred in season 4 even planting the seeds of his plan before the season started
This plan involved Joe killing the riches in his Rhys personality he used Rhys to make Joe look like s hero Rhys planning everything while making Joe look like a detective trying to save the riches from the killer Rhys constantly misdirected Joe with text blackmail and etc so while Rhys planned out his kills Joe was busy occupied by hunting the eat the rich killer these kills were intended to lead tom Lockwood out Joe knew about Tom’s control and influence he knew he would’ve came to save Kate so joe killed the riches to led tom out so Joe could kill him and become a billionaire
This plan started right after season 3 ended so when Joe killed love he Already planned out the entirety of season 4

After killing Reagan Joe managed to come up with 4 different ways to explain her death
These include
Swapping her with Maddie
Framing her death as a boating accident
Keeping her teeth for framing somebody
Having a video of Maddie killing Reagan
Framing her Harrison’s and Maddie’s death as double homicide overdoes and a suicide
This shows joes planing coverage and contingency

After Joe escaped mooneys fire he became wanted by police he came up with a plan to move go Canada by sneaking pass the Border on a boat with fake passports he got from sk he also looks for a nearby empty house for him to stay in with Brontë a house that had no security surveillance cameras and that had no current renters at the moment also wore a disguise to cover his identity he came up with this on the spot right after tne bookstore burned down

After killing Victor he leaves him in Simon’s coffin while sending a letter to lady phobe saying he quits and will move back to his family Joe perfectly replicated his emotions despite only having small conversations with him lady phobe viewed Vic as family and bought joes letter

After Joe knocked out candance he burried her body once she came to police the officer checked the scene said there’s a lot of tree removal done there that there was no tire marks or indication of a struggle so Joe planned ahead that candance would’ve ran away and covered his tracks

In order for Marianne to get custody of his child over his ex husband Ryan, Joe developed a plan to make this work. First, Joe bought 2 different drugs, then, he sneaked into Ryan’s house and mixed some of the drugs into his protein shakes which he drinks everyday, Joe also added the perfect proportion to make Ryan crave for drugs again and eventually make him an addict, so we can say that he has knowledge on this topic, he also closed off his morning alarm to mess with his sleep schedule to trigger a relapse, which Joe did incase the first method didn’t work. Even though this plan doesn’t work because Joe had no way of knowing Ryan was already using drugs, as he had to get this done quickly because the trial for the custody of the kid was coming up, it is still a pretty good plan.

Pretends to be Jeff Pevensey, a New York Times columnist, to trap Benji by saying that he will review his drinks. He greets Benji, lures him to the basement of his bookstore while telling lies about the place, he lets Benji enter the basement first and bashes his head with a mallet from the behind.


Gives Benji a drug and puts him to sleep that way, then he takes a picture of him and posts the picture on Instagram with the location being Massachuetts so that Joe can draw attention away and also make Beck not worry about Benji.

After killing Ryan he made it seem like a robbery gone wrong by stealing his wallet this made it seem like it was a accident after a increase in robbery’s in Madrid linda he also did this without being caught on Matthew’s many cameras

Plants backup keys in all his cages incase he is locked in on which are so perfectly hidden nobody has found them while being locked in the cage and the only reason kate removed them is cause the public was told Joe had a hidden key (which was in reality loves spare key)

 

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Resistance to Poison Manipulation/Paralysis Inducement (Using Adrenaline, Joe managed to counter the aconite's paralytic effectsand regained movement much more faster)

This should be Healing

Accelerating recovery - This accelerates the natural rate of recovery of the body, allowing it to heal from even serious damage for a short time (only what would heal without external intervention in the first place). It also allows user to rid the body from impact of non-fatal poisons or diseases.

 

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This should be Healing

Honestly, I'm not really sure. Adrenaline was only used as a counter to Aconite, so it being healing is dubious.

 

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Why wasn't Joe's Lifting Strength level updated based on this feat? He pushed and broke down a door with just one hand, which would be Class 5 to Class 10 (27,330.7733 ~ 70,793.36889 Newtons) to destroy the lock (although I believe he wouldn't have done that, just destroyed the wood).

Besides this simply ignored speed feat, where Joe manages to duck before the shot hits the cabinet, I calculated that he would be subsonic+.

That would be a good improvement to Joe's physical attributes.

 

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Why wasn't Joe's Lifting Strength level updated based on this feat? He pushed and broke down a door with just one hand, which would be Class 5 to Class 10 (27,330.7733 ~ 70,793.36889 Newtons) to destroy the lock (although I believe he wouldn't have done that, just destroyed the wood).

Bc that would clearly be an outlier if he ever had a feat like that. Joe showcases struggle when wrestling/overpowering average or fit people and when moving bodies, he has never shown any consistency of LS on that level, plus you said yourself, it look like he only broke the wood part and not even the pin.

Besides this simply ignored speed feat, where Joe manages to duck before the shot hits the cabinet, I calculated that he would be subsonic+.

Dude. The bullet wasn't even near Joe, you can clearly see that he ducked down bc Peach moved around her gun, plus he was going nowhere as fast as that bullet in that scene.