- 2,792
- 1,622
I wanted to make this CRT earlier but I was swamped with things that kept me busy and then when I finally got some free time I saw there was about 4/5 different CRT already in motion so I've decided wait for a bit and I think now is a good time to do it.
The follow calc and idea of the sizing scale for mechamaru was proposed in CRT this here, where I outline how Mahito sizing within the scene is not consistent nor an accurate measure to use for the Mechamaru mech. In turn I proposed a new sizing method using the mechamaru itslef with no external inconsistent factors to make it wonky. The calc was accepted here. I will also repost the main point from that CRT below but if images aren't loading up, you can access it here to see it fully without it being broken:
This new sizing updates the values, which I've calculate here. Now before anyone asks about it, the other ends such as GPE and ATTACK are there from older discussions and aren't part of this CRT, I just haven't removed them if they come into play later for scaling but for the current JJK wiki scaling only walking is accepted and only focus on that please.
In turn the new values would change from 1.5463317e+13 J (Small Town+ level) to 7.7316587e+13 J (Town level), to the new values which are 2.6210706e+17 (7-B City Level) to 1.3105353e+18 (7-A Mountain Level)
For now the current calc would be replaced with this one and in turn the values, although I do plan for a more comprehensive scaling outline in the future as I don't think everyone would scale to the full value or the highest. But that's for the future.
The follow calc and idea of the sizing scale for mechamaru was proposed in CRT this here, where I outline how Mahito sizing within the scene is not consistent nor an accurate measure to use for the Mechamaru mech. In turn I proposed a new sizing method using the mechamaru itslef with no external inconsistent factors to make it wonky. The calc was accepted here. I will also repost the main point from that CRT below but if images aren't loading up, you can access it here to see it fully without it being broken:
I know the recent CRT was just put into place but it’s better to fix these things outright than have them linger, so that’s why I am doing this straight away. In this CRT it was recently accepted that this calc is being used for the scaling of some of the characters in the series.
Now the issue with the current calc is the scaling of character and sizes in the calc itself. In the calc it bases the size of Mechamaru’s mech using Mahito as regular human sized as a reference. The issue lies with the inconsistencies with this as not only Mahito inconsistent in size himself due to his ability but also inconsistent with portrayal of what is shown in the series. Why wasn’t this brought up earlier… well it was but it was simply for the most part ignored and I don’t blame them as this:
Sizes of characters
The first part is to establish the sizes of things before we begin. The first one is Mahito. Mahito has an official height of 1.85m from the character sizes in the guidebook. Mechamaru’s regular puppet robots stand at a height of 1.8m from the same guidebook. Koichi (Mechamaru as regular human) has on official size listed as he is only seen in the series as such once, however, we can see that from the volume cover and chapter 80/81 that he is just a bit smaller than his puppet robots and when envisioned next Miwa he is just as tall/slightly taller when next to her sitting, with Miwa being just reach the 1.7m line. This would put Kokichi at 1.7m.
Scale of Mech
The mech is a giant construct that is piloted by Mechamaru from the inside within the mech itself. This is important. Mechamaru is within the mech’s head, in a spherical orb room that is used to monitor and pilot it. We see that the room itself is large enough to hold a full-sized human comfortably. It clearly showcases and establishes the monitor room in the head to be 2/3 times the size of koichi.
Now in the panel it is shown that Mahito is quite a bit larger than the room itself as he is larger than the head of the mech itself, which is impossible. We can't have someone 1.85m be bigger than a room that is several times bigger than someone who is 1.7m.
Mahito is inconsistent measure of sizing
I want to address why Mahito should not be used to scale here. The calc assumes Mahito is only 1.8m (wrong height to begin with) or regular sized in this panel to determine his height of the mech. However, this is not true. As shown and established in the story in the previous part, the mech is large enough to hold a spherical screen room in its head that dwarfs Koichi 2/3 times his own size, with Koichi being a regular sized human.
Mahito’s ability lets him change his shape and size of his body throughout out this fight alone we see Mahito grow his hands to be bigger than Mechamaru’s regular robots who stand at a height of 1.8m, change his body to animalistic parts making them bigger or becoming smaller such as size of a fish. Mahito is far too inconsistent as a measure to use and the shots of him being used showcase that he would not be of regular human size either in them. We see in which both in the shots when Mahito attacks, he dwarfs the head of the mech that he is larger than the spherical room that is in the mech’s head and while shifting size and growing wings he gets smaller but still larger than the head. Using the diagram below we can see that Mahito being 1.8m in that shot contradict established design and sizing of the mech:
It is clear that Mahito isn’t regular in the shot used. We can further see how big a regular human Mahito is on the walkway of the dam, with the mech’s head dwarfing the walkway itself.
Solution
Now why is Mahito so disproportionately sized? The simple answer would be he had shifted his size to as seen with his size compared to it. If that isn’t satisfactory, it could easily be classified as artist misdrawing sizes, which isn’t a new thing in fiction, nor JJK. However, the current method of height scaling should not be used for how it horrendously contradicts the established size of the mech. I’ve gone and calculated an accurate size of the mech using only it and no inconsistent external reference.
Using this new size and mass we can adjust the current calc that is being used, giving us accurate values to the feat at hand. I’ve done this as well but it would be simpler if ElJoaki5 just adjusted this as it would be cleaner. The current size used horrendously contradicts with how Koichi fits within the mech and uses Mahito who isn’t even normal sized in that scene as a reference. The only way the current sizing of the calc works is we all canonically believe Koichi is only 40cm tall
link to all the images used
Now the issue with the current calc is the scaling of character and sizes in the calc itself. In the calc it bases the size of Mechamaru’s mech using Mahito as regular human sized as a reference. The issue lies with the inconsistencies with this as not only Mahito inconsistent in size himself due to his ability but also inconsistent with portrayal of what is shown in the series. Why wasn’t this brought up earlier… well it was but it was simply for the most part ignored and I don’t blame them as this:
- JJK (no one seems to like it).
- 7 pages of reading, no one wants to do that.
Sizes of characters
The first part is to establish the sizes of things before we begin. The first one is Mahito. Mahito has an official height of 1.85m from the character sizes in the guidebook. Mechamaru’s regular puppet robots stand at a height of 1.8m from the same guidebook. Koichi (Mechamaru as regular human) has on official size listed as he is only seen in the series as such once, however, we can see that from the volume cover and chapter 80/81 that he is just a bit smaller than his puppet robots and when envisioned next Miwa he is just as tall/slightly taller when next to her sitting, with Miwa being just reach the 1.7m line. This would put Kokichi at 1.7m.
Scale of Mech
The mech is a giant construct that is piloted by Mechamaru from the inside within the mech itself. This is important. Mechamaru is within the mech’s head, in a spherical orb room that is used to monitor and pilot it. We see that the room itself is large enough to hold a full-sized human comfortably. It clearly showcases and establishes the monitor room in the head to be 2/3 times the size of koichi.
Now in the panel it is shown that Mahito is quite a bit larger than the room itself as he is larger than the head of the mech itself, which is impossible. We can't have someone 1.85m be bigger than a room that is several times bigger than someone who is 1.7m.
Mahito is inconsistent measure of sizing
I want to address why Mahito should not be used to scale here. The calc assumes Mahito is only 1.8m (wrong height to begin with) or regular sized in this panel to determine his height of the mech. However, this is not true. As shown and established in the story in the previous part, the mech is large enough to hold a spherical screen room in its head that dwarfs Koichi 2/3 times his own size, with Koichi being a regular sized human.
Mahito’s ability lets him change his shape and size of his body throughout out this fight alone we see Mahito grow his hands to be bigger than Mechamaru’s regular robots who stand at a height of 1.8m, change his body to animalistic parts making them bigger or becoming smaller such as size of a fish. Mahito is far too inconsistent as a measure to use and the shots of him being used showcase that he would not be of regular human size either in them. We see in which both in the shots when Mahito attacks, he dwarfs the head of the mech that he is larger than the spherical room that is in the mech’s head and while shifting size and growing wings he gets smaller but still larger than the head. Using the diagram below we can see that Mahito being 1.8m in that shot contradict established design and sizing of the mech:
It is clear that Mahito isn’t regular in the shot used. We can further see how big a regular human Mahito is on the walkway of the dam, with the mech’s head dwarfing the walkway itself.
Solution
Now why is Mahito so disproportionately sized? The simple answer would be he had shifted his size to as seen with his size compared to it. If that isn’t satisfactory, it could easily be classified as artist misdrawing sizes, which isn’t a new thing in fiction, nor JJK. However, the current method of height scaling should not be used for how it horrendously contradicts the established size of the mech. I’ve gone and calculated an accurate size of the mech using only it and no inconsistent external reference.
Using this new size and mass we can adjust the current calc that is being used, giving us accurate values to the feat at hand. I’ve done this as well but it would be simpler if ElJoaki5 just adjusted this as it would be cleaner. The current size used horrendously contradicts with how Koichi fits within the mech and uses Mahito who isn’t even normal sized in that scene as a reference. The only way the current sizing of the calc works is we all canonically believe Koichi is only 40cm tall
link to all the images used
This new sizing updates the values, which I've calculate here. Now before anyone asks about it, the other ends such as GPE and ATTACK are there from older discussions and aren't part of this CRT, I just haven't removed them if they come into play later for scaling but for the current JJK wiki scaling only walking is accepted and only focus on that please.
In turn the new values would change from 1.5463317e+13 J (Small Town+ level) to 7.7316587e+13 J (Town level), to the new values which are 2.6210706e+17 (7-B City Level) to 1.3105353e+18 (7-A Mountain Level)
For now the current calc would be replaced with this one and in turn the values, although I do plan for a more comprehensive scaling outline in the future as I don't think everyone would scale to the full value or the highest. But that's for the future.
