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JJK AP Downgrade

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Thoughts about Sukuna's explosion against Mahoraga?

Based on the radius of the lower area of the blast alone, we can get 8-B. But does this account for the elevated pillar of flame?

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ShadowWhoWalks said:
Thoughts about Sukuna's explosion against Mahoraga?

Based on the radius of the lower area of the blast alone, we can get 8-B. But does this account for the elevated pillar of flame?

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For an explosion calc, you take the base. Though you could instead do a fire calc that calcs the temperature change. But I dunno if it'd yield anything worthwhile. Not to mention temperature feats can't be scaled to other people (Though maybe CE system means you can scale to other people?). Depending on the area the explosion occupies, it could unironically be Tier 7. That is assuming it filled up the large empty space Sukuna created with Malevolent Shrine.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Yeah, I thought it would cause some lowball results, but it doesn't look like a lot was cut off
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Not always the Lowend is the best end. The first panel we can see the depth of the crater much more clearly

Honestly, we could merge the calculations. Use the diameter from yours and the depth from mine
 
LaserPrecision said:
You're supposed to measure explosions based on the base rather than the middle column for explosions like that. Albeit, I don't think it changes anything too drastically.

Edit: nvm, realized you used heating method. Instinctively assumed you used explosion.
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No prob

Reading through the Mechimaru chapters as we speak but I might have to continue tomorrow
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
No prob

Reading through the Mechimaru chapters as we speak but I might have to continue tomorrow
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I would say you could unironically use the diameter of Sukuna's DE for the width since it seemed to occupy the entire area where buildings were reduced to dust. Which IIRC was 160 meters or something to account for Fushiguro's position. Might also be worth using an explosive end? That'd prolly up the feat quite a bit.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I would say you could unironically use the diameter of Sukuna's DE for the width since it seemed to occupy the entire area where buildings were reduced to dust. Which IIRC was 160 meters or something to account for Fushiguro's position. Might also be worth using an explosive end? That'd prolly up the feat quite a bit.
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I thought of doing that but we see the edge of where Sukuna's cleave ended and nothing seemed to indicate it reached that far so I went with a safe end
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Best I could do is probably use the distance from the panel to the guy at the edge and subtract that from the total to find a mximum distance but that assumes alot.

As for the explosion formula neither yield higher than what I already got
Using Radius: 62.35^3*((27136*1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 = 19.4802662639 Tons
Using Height: 127.6318182^3*((27136*1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 = 167.094587886 Tons
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
I thought of doing that but we see the edge of where Sukuna's cleave ended and nothing seemed to indicate it reached that far so I went with a safe end
VUUp8i7HuGLHfzfVV9Xd1611755479.jpg


Best I could do is probably use the distance from the panel to the guy at the edge and subtract that from the total to find a mximum distance but that assumes alot.

As for the explosion formula neither yield higher than what I already got
Using Radius: 62.35^3*((27136*1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 = 19.4802662639 Tons
Using Height: 127.6318182^3*((27136*1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 = 167.094587886 Tons
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To be fair, the fire didn't even singe the MIDDLE of the crater even a little bit.
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So I don't think the argument of their being no sides of burns meaning anything. 160 meter ends where we can see a dive in the ground. I'd argue it went that far, because before Sukuna used the flame arrow, there was a shit ton of building rubble and dust just sitting around. And after it, it's all gone as we see in the panel above. Plus in the pic used in your calc, the base of the fire column seems to be the dust/rubble being blown away from the crater. So using 160 meters for the width seems entirely fair. In addition, the column actually seems longer than what was used in your calc. I think the column starts at the base of the cloud at the bottom which adds I believe 10+ meters at least.
 
LaserPrecision said:
To be fair, the fire didn't even singe the MIDDLE of the crater even a little bit.
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So I don't think the argument of their being no sides of burns meaning anything. 160 meter ends where we can see a dive in the ground. I'd argue it went that far, because before Sukuna used the flame arrow, there was a shit ton of building rubble and dust just sitting around. And after it, it's all gone as we see in the panel above. Plus in the pic used in your calc, the base of the fire column seems to be the dust/rubble being blown away from the crater. So using 160 meters for the width seems entirely fair. In addition, the column actually seems longer than what was used in your calc. I think the column starts at the base of the cloud at the bottom which adds I believe 10+ meters at least.
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I get that it's a possibility but we really don't have any proof that it made it all the way to the edge

I'll do a high end

Also, yes I am aware the the line ends before the column fire ends but that is because the columns fire spreads outwards towards us making it appear taller when in reality it's just the result of the angle where given.

I'll edit the scaling a bit but I'm not including the fire that is coming towards the frame as part of the height
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
I get that it's a possibility but we really don't have any proof that it made it all the way to the edge

I'll do a high end

Also, yes I am aware the the line ends before the column fire ends but that is because the columns fire spreads outwards towards us making it appear taller when in reality it's just the result of the angle where given.

I'll edit the scaling a bit but I'm not including the fire that is coming towards the frame as part of the height
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The fact all the debris even towards the edge is mostly gone in and of itself should be proof it covered the entire 160 or 180 meter (I forget which one) diameter. It would need to reach 160 meters to blow the dust and chunks of building away. The initial blast also seems to come close to the still in tact buildings which are just outside of the 160 meter range.

I don't see how the explosion propagating outwards towards the base of the explosion (If that even is part of it rather than just dust/debris being blown away) would make the height of the explosion look longer. The height should bare minimum be close to the base of the dust propagating outward. Maybe not exactly at the bottom, but very close to it. The explosion HAS to start on the ground after all, and it's not like the explosion is propagating into the earth. It's propagating out and up from the center and ground. I do think that height should be considered, but if you don't wish to, I can make an alternate end that includes that in the height.
 
LaserPrecision said:
The fact all the debris even towards the edge is mostly gone in and of itself should be proof it covered the entire 160 or 180 meter (I forget which one) diameter. It would need to reach 160 meters to blow the dust and chunks of building away. The initial blast also seems to come close to the still in tact buildings which are just outside of the 160 meter range.

I don't see how the explosion propagating outwards towards the base of the explosion (If that even is part of it rather than just dust/debris being blown away) would make the height of the explosion look longer. The height should bare minimum be close to the base of the dust propagating outward. Maybe not exactly at the bottom, but very close to it. The explosion HAS to start on the ground after all, and it's not like the explosion is propagating into the earth. It's propagating out and up from the center and ground. I do think that height should be considered, but if you don't wish to, I can make an alternate end that includes that in the height.
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All the shit within 140 meters was already turned to dust to begin with due to Sukuna attack


But here's a version with that width
vsbattles.fandom.com

Sukuna merks Mahoraga

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Sukuna's fire arrow could be useful with scaling Yuta, since Yuji saw everything Sukuna did during Shibuya and still thought Yuta could defeat him
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
All the shit within 140 meters was already turned to dust to begin with due to Sukuna attack


But here's a version with that width
vsbattles.fandom.com

Sukuna merks Mahoraga

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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I'm not referring to it being turned to dust and rubble. I'm referring to it blowing away dust and rubble. Before Sukuna used the attack, there was a shit ton of dust and chunks laying all around the crater. But after using the fire attack, it blasted all the debris and dust within the 140 meter radius out of the 140 meter radius.

I can understand if you don't wanna make anymore changes since I know how annoying it is to keep making changes to a calc, but the height for your second end should be higher. You could use the diameter of the explosion (Which should be 280 as the radius is 140), divide it by 319. Then multiply that value by the height pixel scaling.

280/319 = 0.8777429467 m/px
0.8777429467*697 = 612 meters

A little over 2x the height you got using the height of a storey that is closer to the foreground and thus would lowball the result a bit.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I'm not referring to it being turned to dust and rubble. I'm referring to it blowing away dust and rubble. Before Sukuna used the attack, there was a shit ton of dust and chunks laying all around the crater. But after using the fire attack, it blasted all the debris and dust within the 140 meter radius out of the 140 meter radius.

I can understand if you don't wanna make anymore changes since I know how annoying it is to keep making changes to a calc, but the height for your second end should be higher. You could use the diameter of the explosion (Which should be 280 as the radius is 140), divide it by 319. Then multiply that value by the height pixel scaling.

280/319 = 0.8777429467 m/px
0.8777429467*697 = 612 meters

A little over 2x the height you got using the height of a storey that is closer to the foreground and thus would lowball the result a bit.
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Will fix


I did one of the Mechimaru calcs using his 1 year blast
vsbattles.fandom.com

Mechimaru's 1 Year Blast

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Giannysmag said:
Sukuna's fire arrow could be useful with scaling Yuta, since Yuji saw everything Sukuna did during Shibuya and still thought Yuta could defeat him
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That's false. 15F Sukuna Clapped somone in an instant who was relative to Yuta so it doesn't scale to anyone except Gojo and Sukuna. Yuji is not really reliable source in that instance. Feats wise 15F Sukuna > Yuta
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
15F Sukuna Clapped somone in an instant who was relative to Yuta so it doesn't scale to anyone except Gojo and Sukuna.
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Absolutely not. Yuta was holding back, as suggested by Ishigori himself, in need for his points. This is further substantiated by the fact that Sukuna admits he has to get serious against Sendai-level opponents, which would scale to Yuta, especially considering Maki and Yuji can fight 15F Sukuna.

The argument “his cursed technique was nerfed” is also not applicable, especially when the raws are accounted for, as Sukuna cites that only refers to his output towards techniques, and not his physical stats. Maki and Yuji can not only go all out against him, but speed up.

All of this rounds back into Yuta being the one that Yuji suggested could have killed 15F Sukuna to begin with.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Absolutely not. Yuta was holding back, as suggested by Ishigori himself, in need for his points. This is further substantiated by the fact that Sukuna admits he has to get serious against Sendai-level opponents, which would scale to Yuta, especially considering Maki and Yuji can fight 15F Sukuna.

The argument “his cursed technique was nerfed” is also not applicable, especially when the raws are accounted for, as Sukuna cites that only refers to his output towards techniques, and not his physical stats. Maki and Yuji can not only go all out against him, but speed up.

All of this rounds back into Yuta being the one that Yuji suggested could have killed 15F Sukuna to begin with.
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Bruh Cursed Energy Output can be used to amp Statistics. How wouldn't lowering cursed energy output wouldn't effect speed?

Look at what happened with Gojo in Shibuya arc. His speed also got reduced to the level hanami and Jogo could tag him for sometime because of him not using ce to amp himself

Also Yuta got hurt by Ishigori it doesn't matter if he was holding back his AP what about his durability?; What I am saying is there was not much difference.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Bruh Cursed Energy Output can be used to amp Statistics. How wouldn't lowering cursed energy output wouldn't effect speed?
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Can be. Doesn’t mean it always is. He said he physical movement is fine, on two separate occasions, and that’s what’s we go by.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Look at what happened with Gojo in Shibuya arc. His speed also got reduced to the level hanami and Jogo could tag him for sometime because of him not using ce to amp himself
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None of this happens, at all. In-fact, he never gets hit at all during the fight, he can’t go all out because of the amount of sacrifices he has to make of innocent people, a weakness that Kenjaku told them to exploit.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Also Yuta got hurt by Ishigori it doesn't matter if he was holding back his AP what about his durability?; What I am saying is there was not much difference.
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Yuta was only damaged by superior CE-output, and the one specific scene he did is because you can’t guard your shoulders.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Can be. Doesn’t mean it always is. He said he physical movement is fine, on two separate occasions, and that’s what’s we go by.
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Yes physical moment but the fact CE output was still reduced already shows his Speed was low.
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
None of this happens, at all. In-fact, he never gets hit at all during the fight, he can’t go all out because of the amount of sacrifices he has to make of innocent people, a weakness that Kenjaku told them to exploit.
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Why didn't Gojo Blizted Jogo and Hanami if he physically without Ce move faster than them? If he wants to save innocent people he should finish up his buisness sooner that's if like you say CE output doesn't reduce status
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Yuta was only damaged by superior CE-output, and the one specific scene he did is because you can’t guard your shoulders.
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If Yuta is same level as Sukuna why didn't he knocked down Ishigori in an instant? Holding back to not kill is ok but why would it reduce his speed ? He knocked down Choso when he wanted someone weaker than him to knock down.

If Yuta was really Holding back to the point he can one shot Ishigori he should have just blizted and Knocked him down. It didn't happened. Also the fact Sukuna didn't even used Fire Arrow or Domain against Ishigori he just slashed with normal dismantle.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Yes physical moment but the fact output was till reduced already shows his Speed was low.
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my cursed energy output goes under ten percent at its worst. My movement is not the same, though...
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That is what he said. He echos the same sentiment in the official Viz translation, too. Everything you’re saying is just unsubstantiated with nothing to support it. He specifies output for his techniques, so this argument on your end is made-up.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Why didn't Gojo Blizted Jogo and Hanami if he physically without Ce move faster than them? If he wants to save innocent people he should finish up his buisness sooner that's if like you say CE output doesn't reduce status
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Actually, he did. In-fact, he also did that without Limitless. No idea what you’re saying the rest of your sentence.

EldemadeDityjon said:
If Yuta was really Holding back to the point he can one shot Ishigori he should have just blizted and Knocked him down. It didn't happened. Also the fact Sukuna didn't even used Fire Arrow or Domain against Ishigori he just slashed with normal dismantle.
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Domains are the pinnacle of Jujutsu, and considering he was only trying to get to Yorozu, there’s no point to using that much Cursed Energy. Also, it wasn’t a Dismantle, it was cleave, evidenced by the fact that:

A. He claimed himself to get serious.
B. Cleave is made to take down an opponent in one-swoop, as he did to Ishigori.


EldemadeDityjon said:
If Yuta is same level as Sukuna why didn't he knocked down Ishigori in an instant? Holding back to not kill is ok but why would it reduce his speed ? He knocked down Choso when he wanted someone weaker than him to knock down.
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Because he needs Ishigori awake and capable of transferring points, for one. If you look at every instance of points being transferred (Higuruma vs Yuji, Megumi vs Reggie, Kashimo vs Hakari), all of the losing parties were awake and conscious to transfer the necessary points.
 
Regarding the fire arrow feats, I'm 99% sure you can use density of air instead of density of fire or air at a certain temperature. Given the area was originally well... normal temperatures before fire occupied the volume.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...kkaku_Mon_no_Saikyou_Kenja_Calc:_Fire_Tornado
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LaserPrecision/Promare:_Sharknado-_er,_I_mean_Firenado

Former is what I used to blog the latter feat which was accepted. I know fire calcs are controversial regarding how they're done tho.
 
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