Jiren Dragon Ball Super CRT.

[Bernkastelll]

Jiren (DBS Anime)

Jiren (ジレン) is a Pride Trooper and the champion of Universe 11. Abandoned by his friends after the death of his family at the hands of an evil entity, Jiren trusts only his absolute strength to guide him to victory, and not the strength of friends or family, believing strength alone to be his...

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Jiren need to have resistance to Existence Erasure and Void hax

the reason is simple:

So, Jiren is a mortal that even the god of destruction cant defeat, which basically means that god of destruction cant defeat Jiren duuh? So, by that logic, Jiren has resistance to Hakai, which is currently rated as EE and Void Hax, as we can see in Belmond page

''Existence Erasure (Can erase living beings, souls, spirits, inanimate objects, energy attacks and much more from existence), Aura (Can generate a protective aura of Energy of Destruction which erases energy blasts), Void Manipulation and Limited Space Manipulation (Non-combat applicable; Via scaling to Toppo, who warped the environment of the World of Void),''

So, Jiren need to have resistance to it, as God of Destructions cant defeat Jiren

 

[Purgy]

Pretty sure we don't give resistances or abilities for reasons like this, it needs to be shown or directly stated.

If we did, characters like Zen'o would have resistance to everything in the verse because it's stated nobody can defeat him

 

[Bernkastelll]

If we did, characters like Zen'o would have resistance to everything in the verse because it's stated nobody can defeat him

I mean, Zeno has feats to resist his own EE, which is better than Hakai

 

[Bernkastelll]

Pretty sure we don't give resistances or abilities for reasons like this, it needs to be shown or directly stated.

But it was, Gods cannot defeat Jiren, so yes, Hakai wont work, not to mention, when God fights, they have the Hakai aura encompassing them

 

[Purgy]

I mean, Zeno has feats to resist his own EE, which is better than Hakai

Yes but we don't give Zen'o resistance to every ability in the verse, which we would do if your argument in the OP was correct.

Zen'o is stated to be undefeatable in the verse, much like Jiren is stated to be undefeatable by a God of Destruction.

But it was, Gods cannot defeat Jiren, so yes, Hakai wont work, not to mention, when God fights, they have the Hakai aura encompassing them

It was never shown or directly stated that Jiren resists Hakai, it was stated a God of Destruction can't defeat him, which could be due to multiple reasons.

 

[Orange]

Besides vegeta resisted the hakai with pure power, but the wiki ain't ready for that-

 

[Purgy]

Besides vegeta resisted the hakai with pure power, but the wiki ain't ready for that-

That would mean their resistance would get removed

 

[Bernkastelll]

It was never shown or directly stated that Jiren resists Hakai, it was stated a God of Destruction can't defeat him, which could be due to multiple reasons.

Dont forget the fact that god of destructions fight with Hakai aura encompassing them, and still, they cant defeat Jiren, so yes, Jiren resist it

 

[Purgy]

Dont forget the fact that god of destructions fight with Hakai aura encompassing them, and still, they cant defeat Jiren, so yes, Jiren resist it

Not always, and Belmod never showed this iirc

Regardless, my original point stands, there's no clear evidence that Jiren resists Hakai, you're just guessing that he is from the fact that a God of Destruction can't defeat him.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Not always, and Belmod never showed this iirc

Because he never fighted in anime? it never was shown, but when Gods fight, they use it

you're just guessing that he is from the fact that a God of Destruction can't defeat him.

you literally proved my point lol, a God of destruction, which has Hakai aura encompassing them, cannot defeat Jiren

 

[Antoniofer]

Just because a character is stated to be more powerful than the other, it does not means it resist all the stuff from the less powerful character, nor does it means its better in any stat or category than the other one.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Just because a character is stated to be more powerful than the other

not only more powerful, but he is stated to be the mortal that a god cannot defeat, and GoDs fight with Hakai aura

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Dont forget the fact that god of destructions fight with Hakai aura encompassing them

Beerus.

Not every purple aura is an aura of Destruction. Purple is just their standard color—unless you want to argue all of their attacks are Destruction-based.
Battle of Gods Goku with Resistance to Existence Erasure, anybody?

 

[Antoniofer]

With that logic I can also say Jiren have Immortality type 5 and/or Mid-Godly regen, as is one possible interpretation of "god cannot defeat".

 

[Bernkastelll]

With that logic I can also say Jiren have Immortality type 5 and/or Mid-Godly regen, as is one possible interpretation of "god cannot defeat".

No, it just means that it doesnt works in Jiren, strawman fallacy ig?

Beerus.

Not every purple aura is an aura of Destruction. Purple is just their standard color—unless you want to argue all of their attacks are Destruction-based.
Battle of Gods Goku with Resistance to Existence Erasure, anybody?

I don't really mind

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Unless you have conclusive evidence (i.e., Goku surviving within Energy of Destruction, Frieza holding back Toppo's Hakai, Vegeta punching through Toppo's Hakai, etc.), no.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Unless you have conclusive evidence (i.e., Goku surviving within Energy of Destruction, Frieza holding back Toppo's Hakai, Vegeta punching through Toppo's Hakai, etc.), no.

Already sent, Belmond cannot defeat Jiren, why would Hakai work then?

 

[Tarang123]

I disagree for some of the reasons above.
Mainly because of Beerus

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah no. A hax resistance needs to be directly shown or stated to be the case.

Being > someone is not enough.

 

[Tarang123]

Already sent, Belmond cannot defeat Jiren, why would Hakai work then?

But that’s not resistance, just shows that he has higher ap

 

[Bernkastelll]

But that’s not resistance, just shows that he has higher ap

if Belmond cannot defeat Jiren, how is Hakai going to work?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Already sent, Belmond cannot defeat Jiren, why would Hakai work then?

"Defeat", not "kill" or "destroy".

Besides, it's established- no, it's shoved in your face that the Gods of Destruction- nobody for that matter, can defeat Jiren because he is just stronger than everybody. This has nothing to do with the Gods being unable to erase him—they just cannot battle him and win.

 

[Bernkastelll]

"Defeat", not "kill" or "destroy".

Killing is defeating, wdym?

"Defeat", not "kill" or "destroy".

Besides, it's established- no, it's shoved in your face that the Gods of Destruction- nobody for that matter, can defeat Jiren because he is just stronger than everybody. This has nothing to do with the Gods being unable to erase him—they just cannot battle him and win.

if a God cannot defeat Jiren, how they are going to erase him?

 

[Tarang123]

if Belmond cannot defeat Jiren, how is Hakai going to work?

Again, that’s merely higher ap, not resistance. An example of actual resistance is goku, who actually tanked the hakai, even if his ap wasn’t as high as it

 

[Bernkastelll]

Again, that’s merely higher ap, not resistance. An example of actual resistance is goku, who actually tanked the hakai, even if his ap wasn’t as high as it

explain, how is a GoD going to erase Jiren if a GoD cannot defeat Jiren?

 

[Purgy]

explain, how is a GoD going to erase Jiren if a GoD cannot defeat Jiren?

no

 

[Tarang123]

Killing is defeating, wdym?

if a God cannot defeat Jiren, how they are going to erase him?

This is merely head canon at this point. There’s no evidence that jiren could tank a full power hakai

 

[SirAlex09]

"I think people have no brain because I haven't seen it"... That's the kind of reasoning here. Jiren wasn't just stated to be more powerful but it was also stated that a GoD CAN'T beat him. This includes Hakai as well.

 

[Bernkastelll]

This is merely head canon at this point. There’s no evidence that jiren could tank a full power hakai

Yes there has, because a GoD cannot defeat Jiren, plenty stated

 

[Tarang123]

explain, how is a GoD going to erase Jiren if a GoD cannot defeat Jiren?

Again, it’s nothing to do with resistance to hax, but merely a higher amount of raw power

 

[Purgy]

"I think people have no brain because I haven't seen it"... That's the kind of reasoning here. Jiren wasn't just stated to be more powerful but it was also stated that a GoD CAN'T beat him. This includes Hakai as well.

It was stated nobody can beat Zen'o, lets give him resistance to every ability in the verse

 

[Bernkastelll]

"I think people have no brain because I haven't seen it"... That's the kind of reasoning here. Jiren wasn't just stated to be more powerful but it was also stated that a GoD CAN'T beat him. This includes Hakai as well.

Yeah this, if it was mere AP based, I would agree that it isnt resistance, but the case is ''GoD CANT BEAT JIREN''

Again, it’s nothing to do with resistance to hax, but merely a higher amount of raw power

How is it raw power? if it is was only raw power, they would say only ''jiren is stronger than a GoD'', but it was ''GoD cannot defeat Jiren'', and GoDs fight with Hakai aura

 

[Tarang123]

"I think people have no brain because I haven't seen it"... That's the kind of reasoning here. Jiren wasn't just stated to be more powerful but it was also stated that a GoD CAN'T beat him. This includes Hakai as well.

It really wouldn’t, tho. It’s not a resistance. However, seeing as vegeta has a resistance to it despite it clearly being based on higher power, it’s pretty debatable

 

[Nullflowerblush]

WAIT A MINUTE
HAHAHA
WHIS SAID IT WAS A RUMOR

 

[Bernkastelll]

WAIT A MINUTE
HAHAHA
WHIS SAID IT WAS A RUMOR

check the scan that I sent ''it appears the rumor was true''.

 

[SirAlex09]

It was stated nobody can beat Zen'o, lets give him resistance to every ability in the verse

Considering the fact that all haxes in Dragonballverse were shown to be rsisted by superior power from telekinesis to mind attacks as well as durability negation that's a terrible argument from your side

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Disagree because


1) being stronger = resistance to hax

2) Hakai is something that can be countered by having higher power level so that's not even a true resistance

 

[Tarang123]

Yeah this, if it was mere AP based, I would agree that it isnt resistance, but the case is ''GoD CANT BEAT JIREN''

How is it raw power? if it is was only raw power, they would say only ''jiren is stronger than a GoD'', but it was ''GoD cannot defeat Jiren'', and GoDs fight with Hakai aura

Yeah, it’s because of jiren’s higher raw power

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yeah, it’s because of jiren’s higher raw power

then how is hakai going to work if a god cannot defeat jiren?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

check the scan that I sent ''it appears the rumor was true''.

Oh, that means nothing.
The whole "even a God of Destruction can't defeat" thing was a rumor to begin with. How do you know the one who started the rumor knew that Jiren could survive the Hakai? Are they credible at all? I want sources.