Also, how soon does it kick in anyways? Shenhe’s freezing range could extend up to hundreds of metres, so if each of her Cryo avatars can scale to that (idk about this though, would need to ask someone else) then they could create an encompassing zone potentially too big for Deku to escape. But it would have to be very slow acting precog given how fast Deku is
immediately present as the danger is I believe
The avatars have a different range from her freezing, as noted on her profile. And Danger Sense kicks in as soon as danger is present.
I don't think that the characters are constantly keeping up the Elemental Intangibility, so Izuku could just her while she isn't transformed into Cryo energy.
That seems weird trying to scale her 6 year old stamina feat to Deku’s near month long stamina feat. And even then the story I read doesn’t imply she literally fought for 3 days? Just that she was found several days later starved and dying after having fought it.
No, she fought continuosly all the time, Cloud Retainer herself said so when telling the story of how she founded her in their combat, she also said that if they continued to fight in the end Shenhe would had won. And logically she scale above the feat because 1) It was when she was severely weaker than now do to be a child 2) Because now she have trained for years with the adeptus compared with the feat that was her first fight.
That sounds like as if there are things missing from her Powers and Abilities section. Shouldn't that be fixed in that case?
Are there any showings of the abilities you’re mentioning? That sounds like it should be on her profile when it’s not if she regularly uses such abilities. As well as her stamina.
Wouldn’t Shenhe’s vision grant her at least some physical buffs from before she got it? That would probably include stamina
She have missing stuff and definitely should be fixed, but I can't use the pc currently so I'm not gonna do any crt. Just the fact that isn't mentioned how she sensed the barrier (despite the Traveler don't senseing anything and getting surprised after discover it) and the things in the pocket realm show that the profile indeed is missing stuff.
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Yeah, but Deku has a near month long stamina feat, that’s a pretty heavy increase. Not saying it’s not possible, especially with visions and the wacky stuff they do, but it isn’t a given
As far I remember is somewhat doubtful that Deku really fought non-stomp without any rest, is also unknow (I think) if he fought people srronger than him and the degree of damage he received, it obviously still a good stamina feat, but not probably to the point of say his stamina is superior to her, at least in my opinion but that can be subjetive so meh.
Bro, I’m not stupid. I know she has more stamina. But you’re trying to make an egregious stamina scaling statement such that she can just fight forever because she fought for a long time when she was way weaker.
The feat of staying awake, constantly moving, powers fully activated and searching for fights for a month straight no breaks with untreated wounds and assassins trying to kill or capture him every other day is ridiculously better than fighting a single opponent for 3 days that leaves you near death after an unknown amount of time. I would also like to see the scan saying she fought for 3 days straight because I can’t find it.
I’m not saying her stamina isn’t much higher but the claim being had is quite an egregious increase over it.
No? I didn't say in any moment that she can fight forever, I didn't even claimed something like that she could fought for a month.
Because she can use them if needed? If she see herself at disadvantage the she isn't gonna be dumb enough to not try some of the adepti arts.
You’re attempting to claim she has better stamina than Deku because a feat she did before is better than his feat. “Forever” is an exaggeration, but you are attempting to state she can fight longer than him.
What renders her untouchable? She can’t be in her element thing forever and he can amp with Fa Jin to actually hit her. This entire thread hasn’t even touched on Deku’s intelligence or what he can do to fight back, it’s mostly just been about Shenhe trying to do anything to him that isn’t countered by Danger Sense.
Shenhe’s elemental intangibility isn’t permanent, but it’s not limited to the point where Shenhe couldn’t avoid most blows with it, if we admit that Shenhe would take some blows due to openings in her intangibility, it doesn’t make sense to rule out that Shenhe could also create openings to get hits in on Deku, regardless of Danger Sense. From what I can tell it allows him to predict incoming danger, but if he didn’t figure out a reliable way to counter it in time, he’d still get hit. Shenhe’s more than capable of creating those kind of openings for herself.
One of his best abilities is analyzing the opponent to find ways to beat them, is it a stretch to say he can’t find ways to abuse her own abilities? Eventually he’s going to begin predicting her usage of elemental intangibility and hit her when she comes out of it. He reliably can get more attacks off than her, especially with Fa Jin which will deal more damage than she can do to him.
Shenhe trained under every single Adepti art there is, she is proficient in them all and her Cryo avatars can act independent from her, she will overwhelm Deku enough to get hits in eventually, no matter how few. I’ve never seen much of MHA but I’m sure he’s been hit by enemies even post danger-sense at some point, so why couldn’t Shenhe do the same with her very wide arsenal?
Shenhe’s training likely gives her an extreme adeptness (pun not intended) in learning an opponent’s techniques as well, likely not on Deku’s level, but certainly enough to compete.
Again, Shenhe possesses an extremely wide range of abilities and techniques, she could definitely best Deku in a few exchanges before he had each and every Adepti art, their various techniques, and the possible counters for them (if these techniques even have weaknesses? It’s debatable given it was the Adepti who created them) down and ready to act upon. I can’t see Shenhe taking him out, but Deku winning this is extremely high diff at best and not plausible at worst due to Shenhe’s wide arsenal, difficult to keep up with evasion and decent counter-measures for Deku’s techniques
There have been instances where he has been hit, but Shenhe cannot replicate those instances.
And I agree but Deku will just adapt too fast for her to keep up forever. When he figures out her abilities, it’s just a matter of him applying his own to counter them.
How wide of an Arsenal does she have? At least from her character page, the most she can do in a conventional fight is make ice clones with a radius; use her spear skills, go intangible for a short time to dodge and blast out ice attacks. I don’t have a frame of reference for all the Adepti arts you guys keep referencing or how she would use them, so I can’t really comment on that.
How?
If I remember correctly there isn’t a specific time frame to how long elemental intangibility lasts? It has an upper limit but Shenhe could come out of it early in different increments to give her a lack of predictability.
We don’t know an extreme level of info on “Adepti Arts”, in Shenhe’s case it’s an umbrella term of sorts to refer to the teachings of the Adepti bestowed upon her. The Adepti are higher beings than humans who guard over Liyue in Genshin Lore, and many of their techniques and feats are unthinkable from most if not all humans, even with a vision. To kinda put it this way, Deku’s mastery of analysis and controlling a fight, from a human standpoint, doesn’t suffice against someone who has received training from countless different races of beings each considered above humans as a society.
Shenhe’s cryo avatars have been shown to fly, Deku holds the advantage in the air, but it’s not a major weakness that he could reliably exploit to the level where he could take Shenhe out.
Based on Kings reasons
It isn't as though he can't break out of her ice. Plus her avatars don't last long and she has to summon them by bringing out a talisman no?
Shenhe’s Cryo avatars aren’t permanent, but her invulnerability and superior training mean she can more than buy herself time in between it’s cool down. Also, the summoning process is hardly long enough that it could cause problems for Shenhe. And since it only requires one hand, she would always be able to briefly keep Deku shut out for the 1-2 seconds at most she would need to to get the summon off.
I hadn’t actually thought of this, it’s a pretty big deal if Deku can’t touch Shenhe’s avatar
She can summon them for as long as she wants and can sustain fighting alongside it if she needs to, gameplay doesn't reflect her fighting style based on trailers. She's been observed fighting in tandem with it, and it operating independently from her, and its activation is instant.
Danger Sense dodge before she passes through him. If that’s the “high speed/teleport” move on her profile, he wouldn’t even need to see it once to be able to avoid it when Danger Sense alerts him. He could predict and react to attacks like that from Mirio months before he even got Danger Sense.
The only threat I so far have even seen from the avatars is the field around them that does damage. So is that gameplay only or does she summon an avatar to fight next to or is it both? And regardless of the activation Deku will be fully capable of avoiding both with Danger Sense and Analytical Prediction.
