Izuku Midoriya VS Akame(Akame ga Kill)

[VersusJunkie54]

Final Act Deku VS EOS Akame.

The battle takes place in an underground catacomb. Akame has a contract to kill Deku. She knows about his abilities, and overall strength. Deku is told an assassin is coming after him, and to not let himself get hit once.

Speed is equalized.

Both in character.

Deku can go to 100%, Akame can activate Ennodzuno mode.

AP: Deku >= 3.91 megatons. Akame = 5.4 megatons.

Who wins and why?

Deku: 0

Akame: 0

Incon: 0

 

[Bernkastelll]

So, Akame hit him and Deku dies

 

[VersusJunkie54]

So, Akame hit him and Deku dies

You're gonna need a far stronger argument.

 

[Bernkastelll]

You're gonna need a far stronger argument.

Akame sword has a poison that kill everyone with a simple cut, doesnt matter the size of the cut (and it kill people with immunity to poison.)

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Akame sword has a poison that kill everyone with a simple cut, doesnt matter the size of the cut (and it kill people with immunity to poison.)

Yes, and? That's iff she can hit him, or get in close enough.

I'll say it twice. You need to give a detailed explanation going over all if their abilities and whatnot.

"LOL x wins gg" is not a compelling argument.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yes, and? That's iff she can hit him, or get in close enough.

Yeh, despite the fact that she already have stats advantage like AP and Dura, Deku will have problems to hurt her due it, and she can finish the fight with exactly 1 hit

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I mean, “don’t let her hit you once” is honestly all Izuku needs since he’s dealt with similar things from Stain. His LS is high enough that disarming Akame is easy, he just needs to get in close or corner her with Blackwhip. She can’t land the hit since he’ll be waiting for her with Danger Sense on top of his analytical prediction, so he can easily trip her up when she gets near him with ranged attacks. She literally can’t do anything about his flight, and, as God is my witness, she doesn’t seem to be able to easily see through his smokescreen.

So even if she knows all his abilities, she doesn’t know when he’s going to use them, his own intelligence with them or how he even uses them with each other. He can bait her with tactics to get rid of the sword or restrain her far easier than she is going to get the hit on him.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I mean, “don’t let her hit you once” is honestly all Izuku needs since he’s dealt with similar things from Stain. His LS is high enough that disarming Akame is easy, he just needs to get in close or corner her with Blackwhip. She can’t land the hit since he’ll be waiting for her with Danger Sense on top of his analytical prediction, so he can easily trip her up when she gets near him with ranged attacks. She literally can’t do anything about his flight, and, as God is my witness, she doesn’t seem to be able to easily see through his smokescreen.

So even if she knows all his abilities, she doesn’t know when he’s going to use them, his own intelligence with them or how he even uses them with each other. He can bait her with tactics to get rid of the sword or restrain her far easier than she is going to get the hit on him.

I'm iffy about it because Akame is also rlly skilled as well, Ima wait more comments

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I mean, there’s not much she can do when he’s constantly backing away with flight and sniping her with air pressure+black whip. And even if she gets close, Danger Sense + prediction kick in and he dodges, grabs her at close range with Blackwhip and disarms.

He could honestly just be risky and block the sword with his Mid Gauntlet then let Blackwhip wrap around it.

Deku has a lot of options to get rid of the sword or restrain Akame.

 

[Imouto-tan]

I think Akame wins due to being in more fights with opponents vastly more skilled than Deku in a fight, sure he defeated Stain but it isn't like Stain was a seasoned fighter he only got the jump on his enemies and only really held his own due to using his Quirk to paralyze two of his attackers.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I think Akame wins due to being in more fights with opponents vastly more skilled than Deku in a fight, sure he defeated Stain but it isn't like Stain was a seasoned fighter he only got the jump on his enemies and only really held his own due to using his Quirk to paralyze two of his attackers.

Uh, this is Final Act Deku, with over a year of training, tons of battles and a ridiculous intelligence when it comes to analyzing his opponents and using his abilities. While I'm not bashing Akame on skill, don't act like Stain is a ceiling for how this key of Deku acts in combat. Heck, that was 5% Deku, literally having got that technique like the same day. It's not even comparable how much more skilled he is than when he fought stain on top of the several new quirks and abilities he has obtained.

Like, he couldn't even make air pressure vs Stain or had Shoot Style, let alone his other quirks or intelligence feats.

 

[Imouto-tan]

Uh, this is Final Act Deku, with over a year of training, tons of battles and a ridiculous intelligence when it comes to analyzing his opponents and using his abilities. While I'm not bashing Akame on skill, don't act like Stain is a ceiling for how this key of Deku acts in combat. Heck, that was 5% Deku, literally having got that technique like the same day. It's not even comparable how much more skilled he is than when he fought stain on top of the several new quirks and abilities he has obtained.

Like, he couldn't even make air pressure vs Stain or had Shoot Style, let alone his other quirks or intelligence feats.

I was just saying that Deku fighting one person with a weapon with a different combat style to Akame doesn't mean that he automatically win in a fight with an assassin with years of battles and training under her belt.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I was just saying that Deku fighting one person with a weapon with a different combat style to Akame doesn't mean that he automatically win in a fight with an assassin with years of battles and training under her belt.

I was citing his fight vs Stain to show that "one hit kill" attacks are not new to him. He's fought like 4 people that could kill him with a single touch or hit, and most of them were actually faster than him, so being able to stay out of range of things like that are common nature to him. All he needs to do is understand when she's going to strike and react with his abilities. While I understand Akame is skilled, Deku's versatility and intelligence more than compete with her, especially when one of his most important abilities, Blackwhip, is perfect for not only restraining her, but taking away her weapon.

He has so many ways to just deny her getting to him or managing to push her back should she get close that it's quite staggering.

 

[Imouto-tan]

I was citing his fight vs Stain to show that "one hit kill" attacks are not new to him. He's fought like 4 people that could kill him with a single touch or hit, and most of them were actually faster than him, so being able to stay out of range of things like that are common nature to him. All he needs to do is understand when she's going to strike and react with his abilities. While I understand Akame is skilled, Deku's versatility and intelligence more than compete with her, especially when one of his most important abilities, Blackwhip, is perfect for not only restraining her, but taking away her weapon.

He has so many ways to just deny her getting to him or managing to push her back should she get close that it's quite staggering.

I was just saying that Deku fighting one person with a weapon with a different combat style to Akame doesn't mean that he automatically win in a fight with an assassin with years of battles and training under her belt. Though not bashing Deku, most of his best wins were with help from others and almost all of his solo fights were exhibition fights. Furthermore, Danger Sense takes a large toll on Deku's body so overuse of it would tire him out over time so Akame would just have to outlast him. The smokescreen can also backfire on Deku himself if uses too much of it, this isn't to mention that he is still inexperienced with most of his new Quirks.

Unlike Deku, Akame wouldn't be draining her stamina constantly due to not having Quirks. Going by their levels of intelligence Akame is smarter than Deku just by a bit due to having High INT while Deku's is above average he just so happens to have Analytical Prediction.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I was just saying that Deku fighting one person with a weapon with a different combat style to Akame doesn't mean that he automatically win in a fight with an assassin with years of battles and training under her belt. Though not bashing Deku, most of his best wins were with help from others and almost all of his solo fights were exhibition fights. Furthermore, Danger Sense takes a large toll on Deku's body so overuse of it would tire him out over time so Akame would just have to outlast him. The smokescreen can also backfire on Deku himself if uses too much of it, this isn't to mention that he is still inexperienced with most of his new Quirks.

Unlike Deku, Akame wouldn't be draining her stamina constantly due to not having Quirks. Going by their levels of intelligence Akame is smarter than Deku just by a bit due to having High INT while Deku's is above average he just so happens to have Analytical Prediction.

Uh, the Danger Sense thing was only because all of his limbs were broken after he got done self detonating dozens of times over while the Quirk JUST showed up. The “toll” is practically nothing to him right now, it’s just a spider sense now that he trained and got used to it. And inexperienced? That means nothing when all the win conditions I’ve presented with him are perfectly in character, as well as that the 3 quirks he’s using don’t even need practice other than Smokescreen. Smokescreens only weakness is that he lets out more than usual, which is why he literally has ghosts on his head giving him advice mid combat on how to effectively use his powers. Did I forget to mention that he has that?

Deku’s stamina being drained is laughable at best. When he isn’t breaking his limbs at 100%, he’s fighting through literally any and all pain. When he IS breaking his limbs at 100%, he’s doing so at peak efficiency with no detriments because he practically doesn’t feel pain anymore at this point. You are underestimating his stamina and overestimating the toll the quirks take on his body right now that it’s adapted and changed to better suit One For All.

Also, higher intelligence? Deku’s analytical abilities are top notch in almost every way, and that’s BEFORE you factor in that Akame isn’t fighting just him. She’s fighting One For All. As in, Deku+7 fully grown heroes With literally centuries of experience when combined, all giving advice and helping Deku mid combat. She is not winning the intelligence game without some feats. His “above average” includes very good feats, not just IQ.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Following.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

In fact, let’s start off with a very simple argument.

How does Akame beat hundreds of meters range + flight. Just as a baseline.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Watch this be a stomp match once 2nd, and 3rd users' quirks are revealed.

 

[Imouto-tan]

In fact, let’s start off with a very simple argument.

How does Akame beat hundreds of meters range + flight. Just as a baseline.

Most likely by using the catacombs to her advantage as Deku hasn't had many fights underground which would also limit how high up that he could fly plus the catacombs are probably not well lit giving Akame the ever so slight edge to get a sneak attack because Deku wouldn't be floating from the start of the fight.

Deku would dodge with Danger Sense on instinct and immediately take to the but would quickly realize that he isn't going to go that high up in the catacombs. Akame would start hiding by this time meaning that Deku would have to do something out of characters and attack randomly with his Air Bullets that might only be in the general area.

At some point, Deku would land again and be on high alert but Akame would strike once again. Deku would dodge and probably use Blackwhip to try and to disarm her. If he is successful then he'd just throw Murasame to the side and probably try to rush down Akame while also releasing a smokescreen. This smokescreen allows Deku to get a slight upper hand until it clears up and Akame can properly see. Akame will punch and kick relentlessly while Deku keeps dodging and floating away, which is a great tactic with Deku's power set. However, Deku would be draining his stamina, even if he is using Danger Sense efficiently as the fight goes on with every attack that he dodges.

Akame is smart enough to notice this and she will go for her Murasame but Deku wouldn't allow her to get it so he will either make a denser smokescreen or air gust. Both would work but it would be harder for him to see with a thicker smokescreen or worse harder to see through the dust cloud made by the catacomb rubble that he blew up. Akame could easily enter stealth mode and get her sword at this time. Deku being tired of this fight would then try to end the fight by using his head but he should have started to get a headache due to his overuse of Danger Sense.

This would be Akame's moment to strike by killing her Killing Aura making it a bit harder for Deku to sense her intent to kill him.

 

[Imouto-tan]

Most likely by using the catacombs to her advantage as Deku hasn't had many fights underground which would also limit how high up that he could fly plus the catacombs are probably not well lit giving Akame the ever so slight edge to get a sneak attack because Deku wouldn't be floating from the start of the fight.

Deku would dodge with Danger Sense on instinct and immediately take to the but would quickly realize that he isn't going to go that high up in the catacombs. Akame would start hiding by this time meaning that Deku would have to do something out of characters and attack randomly with his Air Bullets that might only be in the general area.

At some point, Deku would land again and be on high alert but Akame would strike once again. Deku would dodge and probably use Blackwhip to try and to disarm her. If he is successful then he'd just throw Murasame to the side and probably try to rush down Akame while also releasing a smokescreen. This smokescreen allows Deku to get a slight upper hand until it clears up and Akame can properly see. Akame will punch and kick relentlessly while Deku keeps dodging and floating away, which is a great tactic with Deku's power set. However, Deku would be draining his stamina, even if he is using Danger Sense efficiently as the fight goes on with every attack that he dodges.

Akame is smart enough to notice this and she will go for her Murasame but Deku wouldn't allow her to get it so he will either make a denser smokescreen or air gust. Both would work but it would be harder for him to see with a thicker smokescreen or worse harder to see through the dust cloud made by the catacomb rubble that he blew up. Akame could easily enter stealth mode and get her sword at this time. Deku being tired of this fight would then try to end the fight by using his head but he should have started to get a headache due to his overuse of Danger Sense.

This would be Akame's moment to strike by killing her Killing Aura making it a bit harder for Deku to sense her intent to kill him.

Also, the further away Deku is to use his Air Bullets the weaker they become.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Just an FYI. The fight does not have to stay underground.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Most likely by using the catacombs to her advantage as Deku hasn't had many fights underground which would also limit how high up that he could fly plus the catacombs are probably not well lit giving Akame the ever so slight edge to get a sneak attack because Deku wouldn't be floating from the start of the fight.

Deku would dodge with Danger Sense on instinct and immediately take to the but would quickly realize that he isn't going to go that high up in the catacombs. Akame would start hiding by this time meaning that Deku would have to do something out of characters and attack randomly with his Air Bullets that might only be in the general area.

At some point, Deku would land again and be on high alert but Akame would strike once again. Deku would dodge and probably use Blackwhip to try and to disarm her. If he is successful then he'd just throw Murasame to the side and probably try to rush down Akame while also releasing a smokescreen. This smokescreen allows Deku to get a slight upper hand until it clears up and Akame can properly see. Akame will punch and kick relentlessly while Deku keeps dodging and floating away, which is a great tactic with Deku's power set. However, Deku would be draining his stamina, even if he is using Danger Sense efficiently as the fight goes on with every attack that he dodges.

Akame is smart enough to notice this and she will go for her Murasame but Deku wouldn't allow her to get it so he will either make a denser smokescreen or air gust. Both would work but it would be harder for him to see with a thicker smokescreen or worse harder to see through the dust cloud made by the catacomb rubble that he blew up. Akame could easily enter stealth mode and get her sword at this time. Deku being tired of this fight would then try to end the fight by using his head but he should have started to get a headache due to his overuse of Danger Sense.

This would be Akame's moment to strike by killing her Killing Aura making it a bit harder for Deku to sense her intent to kill him.

See, the first issue I have with this entire scenario you’ve thought up, is how on earth are you assuming he can’t catch Akame with Blackwhip if she gets close. Do you think he’d JUST go for the weapon? He could easily grasp her wrists, ankles or waist with multiple Blackwhip strands, effectively disarming her and restraining her at the same time. Blackwhip isn’t a single strand, he can shoot literally dozens at a time. So you’ve built in a scenario where she loses already.

Secondly, why would Deku release smokescreen AFTER getting rid of Murasame? Does that make any sense at all? If anything, he’d use it at the start of the fight the instant she begins to attempt stealth, drawing her out with his Danger Sense and catching her. This part of your scenario makes no sense to me.

Thirdly, where is this presumption that using his quirks drains his stamina in literal minutes coming from. The only example of quirks draining him that you have presented was a moment when he was already literally dying and the quirk just showed up while next to not one, but three characters capable of killing him and everyone around him. Danger Sense works for every danger, not just one, so he was getting overloaded by every person present being in danger, not just himself. Cease attempting to claim Danger Sense is suddenly going to make him nauseous after only a couple uses, he’s already demonstrated that he uses it several times a day with no difficulty at all after training with it. Your information is outdated.

Fourthly, do you think Deku or the vestiges are dumb enough to not imagine she might go back for the Sword, and won’t intentionally lure her to it in order to trap her with Blackwhip? Do you presume their collective knowledge is worthless to remembering the main thing to worry about? Do you think Danger Sense won’t activate the second she gets near the sword? They would be watching that sword for the entire fight, and there is no way she’s getting to it faster than he is considering he’s going to be guarding it the whole time.

Fifthly, Danger Sense doesn’t care for intent. It’s process is danger itself. You can literally not be intending any harm to a particular person at a certain point in time and danger sense will activate, as it did with Muscular just jumping around buildings or Machia beginning to break his bonds. Intent doesn’t matter to Danger Sense.

Sixth, Deku is not going to just float away while Akame is defenseless. He’s going to try and grab her with Blackwhip which she can’t break out of. That’s assuming he doesn’t autograb her when he gets the sword, which is a wish at best in this scenario for her.

Seventh, Air Pressure does not get weaker the farther it travels unless you’re talking finger flicks at 20%, which even then went tens of meters with the same force. His kicks at this % take up literal city blocks. They are not getting no so weak that they become ineffective, especially since he’s going to be in Blackwhip range the whole fight.

 

[Imouto-tan]

See, the first issue I have with this entire scenario you’ve thought up, is how on earth are you assuming he can’t catch Akame with Blackwhip if she gets close. Do you think he’d JUST go for the weapon? He could easily grasp her wrists, ankles or waist with multiple Blackwhip strands, effectively disarming her and restraining her at the same time. Blackwhip isn’t a single strand, he can shoot literally dozens at a time. So you’ve built in a scenario where she loses already.

Secondly, why would Deku release smokescreen AFTER getting rid of Murasame? Does that make any sense at all? If anything, he’d use it at the start of the fight the instant she begins to attempt stealth, drawing her out with his Danger Sense and catching her. This part of your scenario makes no sense to me.

Thirdly, where is this presumption that using his quirks drains his stamina in literal minutes coming from. The only example of quirks draining him that you have presented was a moment when he was already literally dying and the quirk just showed up while next to not one, but three characters capable of killing him and everyone around him. Danger Sense works for every danger, not just one, so he was getting overloaded by every person present being in danger, not just himself. Cease attempting to claim Danger Sense is suddenly going to make him nauseous after only a couple uses, he’s already demonstrated that he uses it several times a day with no difficulty at all after training with it. Your information is outdated.

Fourthly, do you think Deku or the vestiges are dumb enough to not imagine she might go back for the Sword, and won’t intentionally lure her to it in order to trap her with Blackwhip? Do you presume their collective knowledge is worthless to remembering the main thing to worry about? Do you think Danger Sense won’t activate the second she gets near the sword? They would be watching that sword for the entire fight, and there is no way she’s getting to it faster than he is considering he’s going to be guarding it the whole time.

Fifthly, Danger Sense doesn’t care for intent. It’s process is danger itself. You can literally not be intending any harm to a particular person at a certain point in time and danger sense will activate, as it did with Muscular just jumping around buildings or Machia beginning to break his bonds. Intent doesn’t matter to Danger Sense.

Sixth, Deku is not going to just float away while Akame is defenseless. He’s going to try and grab her with Blackwhip which she can’t break out of. That’s assuming he doesn’t autograb her when he gets the sword, which is a wish at best in this scenario for her.

Seventh, Air Pressure does not get weaker the farther it travels unless you’re talking finger flicks at 20%, which even then went tens of meters with the same force. His kicks at this % take up literal city blocks. They are not getting no so weak that they become ineffective, especially since he’s going to be in Blackwhip range the whole fight.

Hey if I am wrong then I am wrong, VsBattles are supposed to be for me fun anyway.

That is pretty fair but that is assuming that she wouldn't try to cut the Blackwhip coming towards her to prevent her arms or legs from getting ensnared. But he does have a limit of tendrils that he can make before it backfires and you are assuming that Akame wouldn't be able to cut most of the tendrils before making enough distance between herself and Deku causing him to make more which in turn would make his power go haywire after he reaches him tendril limit.

Well, it would give his Danger Sense time to cool down instead of him constantly using something that drains stamina and gives him a headache over time because he would have to be on edge the entire time which wouldn't be the best idea if he knows that it would be a hindrance to him. So in short he uses it to buy himself time.

Actually, I was saying this because it is not like Akame would let up with attacking and he'd have to constantly have it on at all times meaning that he'd be under mental strain constantly as Akame would just keep attacking and saying that he isn't even being slightly drained from using it due to not being able to one shot.

Actually, I do, we don't know the intelligence of the vestiges but we do know that Deku isn't smarter than Akame so I would say that Akame would predict this and come up with a plan. Sure Deku can predict others' actions but I am just going by their raw INT stats, but I would immediately argue that Akame would just plan ahead to get back her sword and it is not like she cannot fight hand to hand, she just so happens to use her sword a lot. It really feels like you are trying to make Akame seem like a dum-dum but she wouldn't fall for a simple trap like that so easily.

That is actually pretty fair but uh wouldn't he be reaching his tendril limit by this point assuming that Akame wasn't just cutting them as they came her way the best that she could. Also, I would assume a master assassin and experienced fighter would figure out how to not be caught if they did escape before/had a move used on them before.

Ah then those air bullets are pretty dangerous but would he really resort to air bullets and float as his first combat choice? This is why I started him off with Blackwhip and keeping his distance because he doesn't know if she shouldn't touch her period or if it is the sword.

To be fair this is just for fun and games nothing to be serious if I am wrong, so cheers though I don't see many people voting Deku.

 

[Imouto-tan]

Hmm

I think what I am trying to say is being that Deku didn't insta-defeat Muscular in three seconds, he'd have trouble with a far more experienced fighter and somebody who is far smarter than Muscular. Also didn't Muscular get weakened because of vibrations or something which allowed Deku to get the upper hand too or am I missing something?

I dunno I just don't think that Deku is winning against a more experienced and skilled opponent if he needed help to beat Muscular for a second time. Then again you can correct me if I am wrong about the vibrations turning off Muscular's powers mid-fight or whatever.

 

[Imouto-tan]

See, the first issue I have with this entire scenario you’ve thought up, is how on earth are you assuming he can’t catch Akame with Blackwhip if she gets close. Do you think he’d JUST go for the weapon? He could easily grasp her wrists, ankles or waist with multiple Blackwhip strands, effectively disarming her and restraining her at the same time. Blackwhip isn’t a single strand, he can shoot literally dozens at a time. So you’ve built in a scenario where she loses already.

Secondly, why would Deku release smokescreen AFTER getting rid of Murasame? Does that make any sense at all? If anything, he’d use it at the start of the fight the instant she begins to attempt stealth, drawing her out with his Danger Sense and catching her. This part of your scenario makes no sense to me.

Thirdly, where is this presumption that using his quirks drains his stamina in literal minutes coming from. The only example of quirks draining him that you have presented was a moment when he was already literally dying and the quirk just showed up while next to not one, but three characters capable of killing him and everyone around him. Danger Sense works for every danger, not just one, so he was getting overloaded by every person present being in danger, not just himself. Cease attempting to claim Danger Sense is suddenly going to make him nauseous after only a couple uses, he’s already demonstrated that he uses it several times a day with no difficulty at all after training with it. Your information is outdated.

Fourthly, do you think Deku or the vestiges are dumb enough to not imagine she might go back for the Sword, and won’t intentionally lure her to it in order to trap her with Blackwhip? Do you presume their collective knowledge is worthless to remembering the main thing to worry about? Do you think Danger Sense won’t activate the second she gets near the sword? They would be watching that sword for the entire fight, and there is no way she’s getting to it faster than he is considering he’s going to be guarding it the whole time.

Fifthly, Danger Sense doesn’t care for intent. It’s process is danger itself. You can literally not be intending any harm to a particular person at a certain point in time and danger sense will activate, as it did with Muscular just jumping around buildings or Machia beginning to break his bonds. Intent doesn’t matter to Danger Sense.

Sixth, Deku is not going to just float away while Akame is defenseless. He’s going to try and grab her with Blackwhip which she can’t break out of. That’s assuming he doesn’t autograb her when he gets the sword, which is a wish at best in this scenario for her.

Seventh, Air Pressure does not get weaker the farther it travels unless you’re talking finger flicks at 20%, which even then went tens of meters with the same force. His kicks at this % take up literal city blocks. They are not getting no so weak that they become ineffective, especially since he’s going to be in Blackwhip range the whole fight.

Coming back to the Blackwhip thing didn't Muscular break free of them too and on VSB he is rated to be about the same level as Deku and Akame AP-wise? So couldn't we assume Akame would be able to break free from Blackwhip too due to being about the same strength even when he is using his Quirk?

Edit: I only bring this up because I just read Chapter 308 and Muscular broke free of the Blackwhip with ease and seeing as he was in prison for a year(?) I doubt that he trained to become stronger and going off this then he is weaker than Akame meaning that she should be able to do this same feat multiple times making Blackwhip useless early on in the fight.

PS. Catacombs are really small tight areas so Deku wouldn't be able to Float due to most Catacombs being barely enough space for somebody of average height, meaning that all Akame would have to do is close the gap between them. Sure Deku has his Air Bullets but he lacks the room to properly use them and wasn't the gauntlet that he used for them destroyed a few dozen chapters ago? Deku wouldn't be able to kick either due to the narrowness of the average catacomb, so he'd be on the defensive.

 

[Smashtwig]

following, but what does Izuku have for Akame's poison? Once that hits its gonna really suck, but I guess Izuku could like... run away a lot, it's just that he'd be throwing away his main methods of attack. I get he has versatility and smarts just- facing down a one hit kill against a swordswoman that definitely knows what she's doing... unarmed is a yikes. Idk on a verdict yet, since not getting touched once is hard no matter what really. At the same time, he has ways to actually pull that off, but idk man

Also here's my desperate promotion for another Izuku thread

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I'm really liking the debate that's going on here. Keep ut up!

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Coming back to the Blackwhip thing didn't Muscular break free of them too and on VSB he is rated to be about the same level as Deku and Akame AP-wise? So couldn't we assume Akame would be able to break free from Blackwhip too due to being about the same strength even when he is using his Quirk?

Edit: I only bring this up because I just read Chapter 308 and Muscular broke free of the Blackwhip with ease and seeing as he was in prison for a year(?) I doubt that he trained to become stronger and going off this then he is weaker than Akame meaning that she should be able to do this same feat multiple times making Blackwhip useless early on in the fight.

PS. Catacombs are really small tight areas so Deku wouldn't be able to Float due to most Catacombs being barely enough space for somebody of average height, meaning that all Akame would have to do is close the gap between them. Sure Deku has his Air Bullets but he lacks the room to properly use them and wasn't the gauntlet that he used for them destroyed a few dozen chapters ago? Deku wouldn't be able to kick either due to the narrowness of the average catacomb, so he'd be on the defensive.

Blackwhip relies on actual Lifting Strength to break out. Muscular didn’t easily break out, he amped himself to do that with more muscles. Also, that was 30% Deku, not 45%, who restrains characters like Shigaraki, who has higher AP than him. You’re mistaking feats for different percentages of his power, not to mention he didn’t even try to hold Muscular at the time and was simply interrogating him. That was also with a single strand of Blackwhip, not several when he’s serious about restraining.

Not air bullets. Air Pressure. As in, he kicks once and the entire catacomb is filled with air pressure, meaning Akame cannot ever dodge it. You understand that the gauntlets were just for small blasts? He doesn’t need them at all, every movement of his body makes air pressure at this point if he wants it to. The gauntlets were just to condense it to minimize damage. And catacombs are not so narrow that he can’t kick while in them, they’re several feet wide and he’s short, he has enough room.

following, but what does Izuku have for Akame's poison? Once that hits its gonna really suck, but I guess Izuku could like... run away a lot, it's just that he'd be throwing away his main methods of attack. I get he has versatility and smarts just- facing down a one hit kill against a swordswoman that definitely knows what she's doing... unarmed is a yikes. Idk on a verdict yet, since not getting touched once is hard no matter what really. At the same time, he has ways to actually pull that off, but idk man

Also here's my desperate promotion for another Izuku thread

Not getting touched is far easier when he has permanently active precognition of when and where she’s going to strike at him, as well as a huge range advantage. Not to mention that he has Blackwhip, which allows him to grapple at ranged with several controllable tendrils with Class G lifting strength. She literally cannot get near him if he doesn’t want her too.

Also, he can get rid of the sword. All he has to do is disarm her with Blackwhip, which, by the way, to everyone reading, He can coat himself in. So even if she gets close enough to somehow strike him, he just makes a Blackwhip barrier around that area of his body, or even just blocks it with his Mid Gauntlet, then extends Blackwhip from the point of contact to cover her and the sword.

Akame is the one dealing with several problems here, not Deku. She can’t predict when he’ll use a quirk or how he’ll use it. Even with the catacombs being narrow, he can still float to avoid attacks in unnatural ways, or blast a jet of Smokescreen in her face to disorient her. He can still use air pressure without his gloves, and they’d be far stronger and travel further than they would for 20%. Danger Sense negs her stealth since it isn’t intent based.

Essentially, Akame needs to somehow get lucky and get a hit off without getting blown away with air pressure, dodged or grappled with Blackwhip, all of which Deku can keep doing over and over since his stamina is ridiculous. Worst comes to worst, he punches up and destroys the catacomb, flies out and just waits for Akame to follow to a less constrained area. As OP said, they’re not restricted to the catacombs, they can just leave. Deku has far too many options that result in wins for him that I can’t see Akame getting a hit off.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also there’s the other 2 quirks he has that we don’t even know are, one of which seems like another Long Ranged option. So we’re not even arguing Deku at his best right now

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Also there’s the other 2 quirks he has that we don’t even know are, one of which seems like another Long Ranged option. So we’re not even arguing Deku at his best right now

Indeed. This could very well be a stomp match by next Sunday.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I think Akame wins due to being in more fights with opponents vastly more skilled than Deku in a fight, sure he defeated Stain but it isn't like Stain was a seasoned fighter he only got the jump on his enemies and only really held his own due to using his Quirk to paralyze two of his attackers.

This barely matters but Stain is a highly skilled fighter who spent around 10 years training. The fact that 5% Deku from like a year ago or something outmanoeuvred him is a pretty big feat for Deku.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Just now noticing some other arguments, which are mainly just the same arguments I’ve already discussed but whatever, I’ll address them.

Where is the constant belief that Deku is just going to run out of energy in seconds coming from? Where is Akame being smarter than Deku coming from? The intelligence ratings on the wiki are literally meaningless without feats backing them up, and there isn’t even a stable scaling system for them, they’re just given out.

Cutting Blackwhip means nothing since he can make as many as he wants and they don’t just sap his stamina like you’re projecting. Danger Sense does not have a cool down and Akame doesn’t present the same level of danger that made him experience so much pain in the first instance of it appearing. You’re conflating the stamina drain off of out of context/poorly chosen examples or nothing at all.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

To summarise: Deku can/has: a range advantage, LS advantage, precog, analytical prediction, can blind with smoke, can rag doll her in the air like with Shiggy, can defend against her blade if need be and is pretty much the one dictating the whole fight. How does he not win this? What’s Akame’s answer to all this?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Akame could potentially go into Ennodzuno mode if she's pressed hard enough.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

So she amps to country level?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

So she amps to country level?

Yes, with a speed boost as well.

But is basically condemns her to a slow, and painful end. So it's like a last resort, amongst last-resorts.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Yes, with a speed boost as well.

But is basically condemns her to a slow, and painful end. So it's like a last resort, amongst last-resorts.

How long does it last? There’s a chance she could catch Deku off guard if she activated it while he was attacking her but he should be able to dodge it plus she should be restrained by that point.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

How long does it last? There’s a chance she could catch Deku off guard if she activated it while he was attacking her but he should be able to dodge it plus she should be restrained by that point.

If my memory serves me right, it lasts a few minutes.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Well, the dangerous part of that is the speed amp combined with now a one shot with all her, not just the sword. Deku will notice quickly that it’s tiring her out, so he’d stall hard with Danger Sense while probably breaking out of the catacombs at that point. It also depends on when she uses it, since if it’s while she’s restrained, he would have more than enough time to go 100% or dip out to more easily dodge.

How high is the speed amp? Cause theoretically he could speed amp with 100% the second he senses the danger and get out.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Well, the dangerous part of that is the speed amp combined with now a one shot with all her, not just the sword. Deku will notice quickly that it’s tiring her out, so he’d stall hard with Danger Sense while probably breaking out of the catacombs at that point. It also depends on when she uses it, since if it’s while she’s restrained, he would have more than enough time to go 100% or dip out to more easily dodge.

How high is the speed amp? Cause theoretically he could speed amp with 100% the second he senses the danger and get out.

The amp allowed her to keep up with Esdeath who was amped with her Ice Storm. So naturally Esdeath is superior to her base form, who could casually outspeed EOS Akame. So we're talking about a substantial speed buff probably bordering on a blitz. That would probably force Deku to go into Full Cowl 100%.

In character, Akame wouldn't use Ennodzuno unless she realized there was no other way to defeat her opponent.