Ped2018
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It would have to pierce you, meaning, if you can tank it, you're not getting sealed
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Itachi's sword upgrade
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Trihexa102
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yea
Trihexa102
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Actually i dont think there is tanking once it pierces you , cause it immediately seals your soul or existence in an eternal genjutsu.
Ped2018
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Then a "limited dura negation"?
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you cant physcally tank the sword. it does not even teqnically have a phycal state. and its flat out stated to cut any enemy
Ped2018
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But the sword interacts with physical beings, Itachi cut orochimarus heads
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theres no tanking this. its constantly described as an absolutly perfact attack. if some random could just tank it then how would it be perfect
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yes ik. i adressed this in my justifications. it has no physcal form but is still able to interact with physcal beings. thats why its called a sprit weapon
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The sword is not gonna do damage by just standing in 1 spot like an inanimate object. if it touches you, you get damaged. simple as that
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I probably wont be responding any further until tommorow afternoon
Ped2018
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Ok, i also have to sleep
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King needs to read up on what the definition of "pierce" even means, "pierce" just means the action of something, usually a sharp object, going through something.
It has nothing to do if the object in question has durability or not, a sword which cuts through space can "pierce" through someone since it's a sharp object going through someone, but instead of the "piecing" happening because of the sharpness, or AP of the sword, it's because of the esoteric, spatial cutting effect the sword has imbued within it.
It has nothing to do if the object in question has durability or not, a sword which cuts through space can "pierce" through someone since it's a sharp object going through someone, but instead of the "piecing" happening because of the sharpness, or AP of the sword, it's because of the esoteric, spatial cutting effect the sword has imbued within it.
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MinatoSparkle
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It is also stated that in the face of the spirit weapons, material and astral bodies lose their meanings, so yeah it's very consistent I agree.
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I refuse to click that.
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Concession accepted via the burden of rejoinder gg.
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king bro why u bein a rat
Excellence616
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Neutral till other staffs gives input
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If i wasn't direct enough, i agree with this.
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1. The Totska blade is stated to be able to cut down any enemy
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. By the very description of this technique, this databook would be saying Itachi's jutsu > truth-seeking orbs.
2. The totska blade as well as the yata mirror lack physical form
I have several reasons against this interpretation but I don't care to argue rn.
3. Its stated multiple times to be pretty much the perfect Offense
This isn't relevant at all.
I still agree though, mainly for the fact that there was no evidence of damage when Itachi used it on Nagato.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. By the very description of this technique, this databook would be saying Itachi's jutsu > truth-seeking orbs.
2. The totska blade as well as the yata mirror lack physical form
I have several reasons against this interpretation but I don't care to argue rn.
3. Its stated multiple times to be pretty much the perfect Offense
This isn't relevant at all.
I still agree though, mainly for the fact that there was no evidence of damage when Itachi used it on Nagato.
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I agree.
though i will say this "can cut down any enemy" is very contextual , given we know how it works. it just means that the way the sword works is extremely esoteric that there isnt a very conventional counter to it within the verse.
though i will say this "can cut down any enemy" is very contextual , given we know how it works. it just means that the way the sword works is extremely esoteric that there isnt a very conventional counter to it within the verse.
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Hyperbolic as hell.
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Disagree for the same reason as @KingogKings777
Primary source takes precedence
Primary source takes precedence
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Disagree as there’s actually no traits stated over why or how the Totsuka Blade would be in any case capable of byapassing conventional durability and it's showings display a clear physical damage despite their spiritual nature. Hence there's no mechanism to justify an inherit ability to negate durability.
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I have a little bit of time so im just gonna say that I think some of you guys are focusing a little too much on that 1 statement when its just supposed to be supporting evidence. also heres this from the manga
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You would need evidence to say it is. Whats your opion on the rest
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Its kind of like kamui in a way. Has no physcal state but can interact with physcal things. My second argument is That BECAUSE it has no physcal state, it doesent have to worry about running into durability if that makes sense. Goku sparkle and decieved added to what i was trying to convey
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Kings points were addressed above
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I don't think being non-physical inherently means Durability Negation either.
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The property which would grant it Durability Negation would be the fact it's a spiritual sword that, by sheer, fundamental mechanics alone, would allow Itachi to damage people on a spiritual level, innately bypassing conventional durability since you're attacking on a different level of existence compared to the material, it's a widely accepted and common form of Durability Negation that most popular verses have, for further context read our Durability Negation and Soul Manipulation pages.
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Kamui warps time-space to transport the overlapping target in-between to a different dimension. That's negating durability through it's ability to shift space, not because of it being non-physical in nature (as space-time ninjutsu is in general).
Having no-physical form doesn’t bypass durability unless the ability is used as a phase method, which is not. The Sword, regardless of lacking of true physical form, is blatantly tangible and there’s no mechanic given over why should it be assumed that it has the properties necessary to ignore conventional durability.
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The Totsuka Blade isn't shown to attack on a different level of existence though; it is always either piercing through somebody or slicing them apart.
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Damage, it's by the sheer fact it's a spiritual sword means it would damage things on a spiritual level, we don't need statements, similar how an attack that exist purely as a concept would innately damage things on a conceptual level, or a physical attack that's constructed out of matter would innately damage things on a physical level.
That isn't evidence against it attacking on a spiritual level, just because it's capable of attacking on a material level isn't counter evidence to it attacking on a spiritual level also.
That isn't evidence against it attacking on a spiritual level, just because it's capable of attacking on a material level isn't counter evidence to it attacking on a spiritual level also.
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