isshiki iron rod speed

[ssgengar]

That's quite frankly what I just linked that's against the rules

Just calc Naruto's reaction speed. It's higher than the 2.11c value he scales to. Calc it then just scale Isshiki's rods directly to it

@Testarossa no, KT said to do this

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I think there’s a case to be made for treating Isshiki’s rods as “at least LS” and calcing based off that. Anything else, no.

 

[ssgengar]

Just assume the rods are ls at best and use it to calc
That would be the safest assumption+ it was the same logic used for the Kaido calc I think

But I think the kaido calc also had a light speed statement that allowed it to be accepted, correct me if I’m wrong though

 

[ssgengar]

I think there’s a case to be made for treating Isshiki’s rods as “at least LS” and calcing based off that. Anything else, no.

So can I just use SOL speed for their speed and use it to calc baryon mode Naruto’s feat? And just see from there

 

[Tomboy11]

But I think the kaido calc also had a light speed statement that allowed it to be accepted, correct me if I’m wrong though

I don't think so ,
Unless u are talking of Luffy stating light was slow after reacting to it from a distance .
We also know light fang is stated to be light speed and is to slow to tag Naruto at close rang but the rods are faster than a adult prime sasuke sharingan

Even tho it is not accepted
Do the calc let me see what u get lol

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Sasuke and Naruto can perceive LS attacks, such as LF, despite Sasuke being able to see Jigen when he shrinks he cannot perceive Isshiki’s rods, therefore his rods are likely at least LS. Boon proceed with calc.

 

[Testarossa002]

@Testarossa no, KT said to do this

Of course the rods are 2.11c
Trying to base another calc let's say BM Naruto reacting to it is what would result in calc stacking
Bayron mode would just be faster than the rods to an unknown value
Getting the rods to be canonically "at least LS" is a different case entirely

So can I just use SOL speed for their speed and use it to calc baryon mode Naruto’s feat? And just see from there

That's the current bone of contention

 

[Testarossa002]

I wish the thread would get more staff input though

 

[Tomboy11]

Of course the rods are 2.11c
Trying to base another calc let's say BM Naruto reacting to it is what would result in calc stacking
Bayron mode would just be faster than the rods to an unknown value
Getting the rods to be canonically "at least LS" is a different case entirely

That's the current bone of contention

And I would agree with us at Least settling them to at least light speed to calc Naruto reacting to them

Let dem create a calc on it then we can discuss more if it would be acceptable or not
Because to me using 'luffy light is slow as justification ' compared to Naruto reacting to light at close range ' isshiki rod stated/ shown to be too fast for characters similar to Naruto characters in speed
Also seems like a good justification
And it is not a calc stack
....

 

[ssgengar]

I wish the thread would get more staff input though

This

 

[KingTempest]

Rules: This is calc stacking
Tomboy: I think it's fine

 

[ssgengar]

Rules: This is calc stacking
Tomboy: I think it's fine

So how do you feel about using SOL speed as a lowball for the bm naruto feat, since they’re obviously faster

 

[KingTempest]

So how do you feel about using SOL speed as a lowball for the bm naruto feat, since they’re obviously faster

I don't agree with it at all, and I already gave a solution that's being ignored

 

[Tomboy11]

I wish the thread would get more staff input though

Actually

Rules: This is calc stacking
Tomboy: I think it's fine

Lol
It isn't tho

 

[Tomboy11]

Rules: This is calc stacking
Tomboy: I think it's fine

Do the calc we can debate on if it is usable or not later on
Even if it doesn't get accepted it would be fun to see

So how do you feel about using SOL speed as a lowball for the bm naruto feat, since they’re obviously faster

 

[ssgengar]

I don't agree with it at all, and I already gave a solution that's being ignored

When you said to calc Naruto’s reaction speed and scale the rods to that right? I replied and asked if you mean spsm naruto

 

[Halkum145]

Sasuke and Naruto can perceive LS attacks, such as LF, despite Sasuke being able to see Jigen when he shrinks he cannot perceive Isshiki’s rods, therefore his rods are likely at least LS. Boon proceed with calc.

wait if this isn't calc stacking i can calculate this

 

[Tomboy11]

wait if this isn't calc stacking i can calculate this

It isn't tho if we are using similar ideals of the rods being at least light speed

 

[Halkum145]

It isn't tho if we are using similar ideals of the rods being at least light speed

why don't we discuss it after doing the calculation

 

[Tomboy11]

why don't we discuss it after doing the calculation

Yeah that what I told ssgengar
It may not even be that high may end up being a rel + feat who knows

 

[ssgengar]

Yeah that what I told ssgengar
It may not even be that high may end up being a rel + feat who knows

I’d rather halkum do it, I’m sure he’s better with calcs than I am

 

[Testarossa002]

Maybe this thread should be moved to Content Revision
As we're not exactly evaluating a calc

 

[Tomboy11]

Maybe this thread should be moved to Content Revision
As we're not exactly evaluating a calc

One calc made but it hasn't been evaluated yet tho

 

[Panache_x]

Sasuke and Naruto can perceive LS attacks, such as LF, despite Sasuke being able to see Jigen when he shrinks he cannot perceive Isshiki’s rods,

Rules: This is calc stacking
Tomboy: I think it's fine

Is there a rule that states "Except the character refers to a projectile as "Slow" and referred to another as "Fast" it is automatically decided that the latter can't be picked to be faster than the former irrespective of if he evaded the first easily or with effort and couldn't evade the other"?

Naruto and Sasuke are stronger as an Aldult
This isn't an issue of just "couldn't evade"
They Stated "They Couldn't Track"
It was faster than their perception
How and why should we not solidly imply what they couldn't perceive is Relatively Faster than what they could evade?

 

[Jebxtz]

the rod should be atleast SoL because via scaling the rod should scale above Light Fang, it also blitzed Naruto and Sasuke a lot in their fight they can't react to it.

it become calc stacking if we use the speed of Naruto when dodging the Light Fang(2,11 FTL.)

 

[Testarossa002]

Uhm.... Bump

 

[ShizzyDebater]

No, Naruto and Sasuke has been intentionally Retcon’d by kishimoto in boruto, they are not as strong as what they were in their pre retcon days, they used to reach small country in their pre retcon days, now they barely reach town level in their post retcon era.

 

[Panache_x]

No, Naruto and Sasuke has been intentionally Retcon’d by kishimoto in boruto, they are not as strong as what they were in their pre retcon days, they used to reach small country in their pre retcon days, now they barely reach town level in their post retcon era.

I keep wondering why this platform is open to all sorts of Humans and their very smart mentality and Impute

 

[Lemonade125]

No, Naruto and Sasuke has been intentionally Retcon’d by kishimoto in boruto, they are not as strong as what they were in their pre retcon days, they used to reach small country in their pre retcon days, now they barely reach town level in their post retcon era.

Bruh what?

 

[Testarossa002]

No, Naruto and Sasuke has been intentionally Retcon’d by kishimoto in boruto, they are not as strong as what they were in their pre retcon days, they used to reach small country in their pre retcon days, now they barely reach town level in their post retcon era.

Do the needful and make a CRT

 

[ShizzyDebater]

Do the needful and make a CRT

Yes I might soon, I’ll see the situation in this site and see if it can still be saved. I’m also looking at Clorox and one piss

 

[Shey]

I keep wondering why this platform is open to all sorts of Humans and their very smart mentality and Impute

You could enlighten him without being passive aggressive

 

[Panache_x]

You could enlighten him without being passive aggressive

Enlightenment would be done when he makes a CRT rather than upfront Contradicting the already established

 

[Testarossa002]

Bump

 

[Testarossa002]

Nice
I found this feat in Naruto Retsuden where Naruto naturally reacted to a photon beam
Note
The description was from the author not a character
Surely this gives more credence to the issue at hand

 

[Halkum145]

I found this feat in Naruto Retsuden where Naruto naturally reacted to a photon beam Note
The description was from the author not a character
Surely this gives more credence to the issue at hand

Wiki considers this not a ls success but a rel success.

 

[Panache_x]

The description was from the author not a character
Surely this gives more credence to the issue at hand

You're obviously posting this cause of the "I without any issues" implication
Although that would still be rated Rel/Rel+ here it still fits into the context of this thread
Naruto easily reacting to Sol and couldn't react to Isshiki's rod convectively

Idk why this thread is being deserted without the oppositors to Isshiki's ≥ SoL rods accepting it or giving futher impute to their already withered and Contradicted points

 

[Arkenis]

 

[Tenshin-Ta]

I see things have not changed. If Naruto and Sasuke could not react to Isshiki's rod then they are above SoL. Logically

 

[Arkenis]

yeah they're just higher into ftl.