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Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread
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I won't lie some of that did get a laugh out of me lmao...the 7 bias mods are all celestial Pegasus alts since there definitely aren't any others with such interest
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bluey is just happy that the gohan guy is getting smoked out here
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Gohan pushed the agenda too hard and got kick off reddit.
I was eventually going to touch on the scaling again, but been trying to pass the other stuff, not to mention my dislike for the uber high tier stuff, but I suppose I should make an effort to do it sooner, anything with the Epilogue seems to pass real quick too.
But yea reddit dude has some valid points here.
I was eventually going to touch on the scaling again, but been trying to pass the other stuff, not to mention my dislike for the uber high tier stuff, but I suppose I should make an effort to do it sooner, anything with the Epilogue seems to pass real quick too.
But yea reddit dude has some valid points here.
BoastJr
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mainly
1) makina being BDE Type 1 instead of BDE Type 2
2) Nebula being a contradiction to outerversal because she encompasses lesser beings to get stronger (but ig she and her ability could already be 1A independant of requiring that in her prime state ?)
3) makina's immortality being paradoxical and not being tied to L1A (ergo the realm her core is situated is not L1A since it relies on paradox)
4) he is saying that there is no 1A hierarchy
5) Vernal being 1 layer into outerversal at best even with 1A Nebula
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Damn, despite the hate, he has some valid points on the scaling. Though it always impresses me how people’s only motivation for reading something they find boring is to debunk it, and you’re one of them. I don’t have it in me, I would die of boredom.
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Makina doesn't have any BDE so was a weird argument to me, their point seems to be that because Makina's core exists in a supposedly L1-A place, but is itself not L1-A, it disqualifies the supposed L1-A place from being L1-A, don't agree with this.
This may be debatable, I could see arguments for both. There is definitely an argument Nebula is the peak of L1-A, in that her absolute nature doesn't make her 1-A, but basically anything she encounters, she will always be a greater version, so when faced with someone like Makina she encompasses the L1-A space her core exists in and kills her, and if another higher character showed up, she would just be a better version, so on and so forth.
Ties back to the previous point which I disagree with.
This is true, even if Nebula is 1-A, there aren't an hierarchy of 1-A beings above her. But High 1-A doesn't necessarily need an hierarchy.
Also true, Shiro is an exception, beyond comparison etc, but when it comes to the Epilogue, the descriptions that makes it above everyone is due to r>f, there needs to be something besides r>f, another quality to put her into High 1-A as far as I understand tiering. Though you argue for some sort of meta meta quality, but eh, pretty neutral on this topic too.
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1) It was never about Makina herself or her core being BDE, but the space that her core exists in. Her personal stats are irrelevant. Not even her profile lists her durability as low outerversal.
2) Encompass gives Nebula the stolen abilities and buffs them for her, but Encompass the ability itself is not reliant on lower beings. You can argue that a 1-A hax smurf buffs the stolen abilities into 1-A level even. There's no such description of Encompass needing to encompass the entire cosmology, which it is fully capable of, to reach its full potential, not a thing is said about its limits.
3) We know about her paradoxical immortality, that's not important and is more waffling.
4) There doesn't need to be a 1A hierarchy because that was never needed for Epilogue to get that high in the original thread. The comparison to the 1-A tier itself, so long as there is even one 1-A being, is meaningless to Epilogue because it can't be compared. It doesn't fit into the same hierachy regardless if it exists or not, and that's how the thread passed. As such, the meta of tier 1-A and its hierarchy cannot be compared to Epilogue.
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we found the sweetdao for Isekai at Peace !
Henceforth I shall name him Sour Dao since Vernal is the ooposite of Yogiri
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Wasn't the argument moreso that the space itself had BDE 1 and not BDE 2?
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Makina's core exists within the space which isn't in any dimensional hierarchy, however if you could gain access to this space ie like Alice who has a key given to her by Makina, you could kill her. The argument from what I saw was because Makina's core could be killed by people who aren't L1-A, the space isn't L1-A.
The profile nowhere has a True Form Makina or anything like that as L1-A, it just has that you need L1-A range to truly kill Makina. She isn't beyond dimensions, neither is her core, just the dimension that her core is in.
The space isn't 1-A or BDE 2 because at some point Makina was mortal, and somehow at some point discovered this space seemingly on her own.
The profile nowhere has a True Form Makina or anything like that as L1-A, it just has that you need L1-A range to truly kill Makina. She isn't beyond dimensions, neither is her core, just the dimension that her core is in.
The space isn't 1-A or BDE 2 because at some point Makina was mortal, and somehow at some point discovered this space seemingly on her own.
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so that's just a space outside the regular dimensions... Why is it Low 1-A in the first place?
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if Makina is supposedly reliant on some paradoxical immortality from a non Low 1A space
then it wouldn't make sense for tiana to "Not Ignore" her "paradoxical immortality"
Tiana can ignore lower dimensional laws and stuff so the immortality has to come from a higher place
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Yea being higher dimensional means you can ignore all abilities from being lower than you, but even a being who has far more dimensions than every one else, can't kill Makina, because her core exists beyond the hierarchy of higher d beings.
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well tbf it was said to exist outside any dimensional stratum when there was talk about "higher dimensions" and "exceedingly high dimensions"
so this plane was likely suppose to be superior to Tiana who had the ability to ignore the rules, laws and whatever of lower dimensional realms
Plus alice who has infinite and indefinite RE cannot reach this place normally without the key (what I mean is that she has infinite RE over time so theoretically could evolve forever and ever but makina still felt the need to give her "permission" in the form of a key her to enter this plane)
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I won’t call those regular dimensions. With the context the verse has, since the space doesnt exist in any spatial dimensional layers, so you can’t apply 50D, infinite D, etc. It wouldn’t exist within them. It isn’t talking about regular dimensions, but instead about all possible amounts, since it said “any.”
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If it was just a statement about being beyond dimensions in a vacuum, we wouldn't take it to mean anything beyond it being beyond the existing dimensions in the verse, whatever those are 12d, 13d etc, but it was stated in the context of even beings who have far more dimensions than everyone else can't get to it because it exists beyond any possible dimension layers basically.
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So...BDE type 1?
BoastJr
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no... BDE type 0
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Like I get the interpretation of "yeah it's beyond anything else hence why it should be Low 1-A" but technically speaking, if the "place" her true self reside in, is simply something that isn't dimensioned (in opposition to everything in the verse) that could explain why no one can reach it without going the Low 1-A route.
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Someone should just post that shit and downgrade Shiro because each and every single ******* who wants her gone from High 1-A are all USELESS and I'm tired looking through reddit and saw idiots use her to fuel their immensely huge and fragile ego
Like deadass he don't wanna post that shit here, ******* ***** ass *****
Like deadass he don't wanna post that shit here, ******* ***** ass *****
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always "I don't want to go on VSB because it's rigged!!!" and never "I'll go make a thread and prove them wrong"
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Fixed it for you
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thx u sir
PhantomØ4
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SweetDao you should totally read Arifureta. Yes yes.
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I think if I read it, I'll lose my mind with the (probable) wank...
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I don't think there's any tier wank (yet) but hax wank... well.
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The most impressive ones are those who would rather prove "one" person per time that their beliefs/opinions are correct, by wasting so much time doing debates on something like Discord.
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Look who is back,
We were just talking about fixing the tiers of a couple low tiers, and now all the talk is back on The Epilogue, and we still have 2 or 3 other threads to pass....
But yea I am already doing a few stuff don't feel making another Epilogue thread right now.
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Bern said she will propose it later but idk if she was serious about that
anyways, mid and low tiers are much better to scale.
also wanted to ask if Black Bears scale to the average knight. No particular reason
PhantomØ4
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Lollll, my baddd. I actually could not finish Majikoi cuz I have a MacBook and the windows emulator stopped working for me (I stopped paying for it, too expensive). I considered reading it through YouTube play-throughs but... uhh I dunno. I wish they were voice-less,
I've never actually actively scaled Arifureta despite reading some, but all I hear from people who scaled it on here are complains about a certain someone making scaling it here unfun and the few times I lurked threads, well, it seemed... rough.
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He's the reason why the discussion thread is no longer active, that's all you need to know
PhantomØ4
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It's okay none, think happy thoughts.
Noneless21
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Considering that there's a bounty for them, it's save to say that they're relative
Noneless21
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My happy thought is he no longer active and me writing my fanfic and playmodded minecraft
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That's sad, I am still in the process of finishing my revisions for it, because I finished everything
My comment was about Isekai at Peace, but I haven't touched Arifureta in at least a year, and the other big Arifureta supporter who did revisions as well, hasn't touched it in a bout as long, so its been a free for all.
PhantomØ4
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Do you know about how many hours it took you to read? I think I remember you being a relatively fast reader (as you should with how much you seem to read) but still.
Aaa, my mistake.
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