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Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

Enter_Bluey said:
Epilogue comes after everyone's sanity atp when trying to scale it.
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To Be Honest, Characters such as Shallow Vernal are not meant to be traditionally scaled

They are the type of characters to always win in context to the Setting or Story. Its similar to how Reinhard cannot be defeated in a traditional sense in context to Re:Zero or Gege writes Gojo to Low / Neg Diff anyone who isn't Sukuna (Reinhard and Gojo are a bad example of this but they are the starting point).

This characters usually just never really lose or should lose but we ignore that logic when analysing just their feat and statement rather then portrayal and representation.

Although this sounds like the Mr Impossible Logic used by some people
 
BoastJr said:
To Be Honest, Characters such as Shallow Vernal are not meant to be traditionally scaled

They are the type of characters to always win in context to the Setting or Story. Its similar to how Reinhard cannot be defeated in a traditional sense in context to Re:Zero or Gege writes Gojo to Low / Neg Diff anyone who isn't Sukuna (Reinhard and Gojo are a bad example of this but they are the starting point).

This characters usually just never really lose or should lose but we ignore that logic when analysing just their feat and statement rather then portrayal and representation.

Although this sounds like the Mr Impossible Logic used by some people
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what is this, comment copypasted from reddit?
 
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BoastJr said:
To Be Honest, Characters such as Shallow Vernal are not meant to be traditionally scaled

They are the type of characters to always win in context to the Setting or Story. Its similar to how Reinhard cannot be defeated in a traditional sense in context to Re:Zero or Gege writes Gojo to Low / Neg Diff anyone who isn't Sukuna (Reinhard and Gojo are a bad example of this but they are the starting point).

This characters usually just never really lose or should lose but we ignore that logic when analysing just their feat and statement rather then portrayal and representation.

Although this sounds like the Mr Impossible Logic used by some people
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Well they don't lose in their weak verse. We can still scale them
 
BoastJr said:
To Be Honest, Characters such as Shallow Vernal are not meant to be traditionally scaled

They are the type of characters to always win in context to the Setting or Story. Its similar to how Reinhard cannot be defeated in a traditional sense in context to Re:Zero or Gege writes Gojo to Low / Neg Diff anyone who isn't Sukuna (Reinhard and Gojo are a bad example of this but they are the starting point).

This characters usually just never really lose or should lose but we ignore that logic when analysing just their feat and statement rather then portrayal and representation.

Although this sounds like the Mr Impossible Logic used by some people
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Least shallow vernal reddit glaze
 
Enter_Bluey said:
Least shallow vernal reddit glaze
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What ! Shallow Vernal cannot be defeated. She is quite literally GOD. Shallow Vernal can just say "Epilogue" and then she Epilogues the verse. How do you beat someon who is the End itself.

Shallow Vernal cannot lose to High Outerversal Fodder, Her ability negates her from dying. Not even her Author can defeat her and Authors scales to Tier 0. She is simply Beyond Tier 0 characters.

Goku may be the strongest character in fiction but even he cannot do such a thing. There is no more competition. Your verse just gets deleted
 
BoastJr said:
What ! Shallow Vernal cannot be defeated. She is quite literally GOD. Shallow Vernal can just say "Epilogue" and then she Epilogues the verse. How do you beat someon who is the End itself.

Shallow Vernal cannot lose to High Outerversal Fodder, Her ability negates her from dying. Not even her Author can defeat her and Authors scales to Tier 0. She is simply Beyond Tier 0 characters.

Goku may be the strongest character in fiction but even he cannot do such a thing. There is no more competition. Your verse just gets deleted
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Shallow Varnal loses to high verse outer characters? What a joke ! 🤣
 
I feel like adaptation and reactive evolution sucks ball now since it heavily depends on what hax you adapted rather than the general blanket but reasonable hax like surely if you can adapt to fire manipulation then you should adapt to lightning or other elemental manipulation

Also, can regeneration negate petrification?
 
Idk, I remember some arguments years ago that being turned to stone, technically doesn't mean the person is dead, so there isn't really anything to regenerate from, but that was years ago, idk how it's considered now.

Though in this case sort of depends on how Kratos petrification works, is it just a thing where people become stone and can't move, does it also stop their thinking? If no then Chronois could just "regenerate" by twisting causality, since that's how her regeneration works, which thinking about it Chronois and the 6 Kings can still do that even after being completely erased from existence, thus even their minds wouldn't exist, so sort of doubtful petrification will work.
 
it's hard to find matchups for them because you either have a really good sealing or able to incap them (which is extremely hard because, well, they resist a bunch of haxs that can incap them) but they're also pretty much a wall, with mid godly regen they're pretty much unkillable except their opponents has high godly regen neg or EE that works on concept or something similar
 
I think I've got a good matchup for peak counts....if the AP wasn't so damn one sided tbh. The verse I'm talking caps at star..... Well, it does have good hax but still lmao too much of an AP difference
 
CRT on HDE.

After this CRT passes think it will just be the Isis CRT left discussing which version of the magic power of death is authority level, a CRT discussing The Epilogue, possibly removing stuff like resistance negation, and then if I feel like it another WC hax layer CRT.

Don't really feel like doing the last one, so may just ignore it, and finally go back to making a CRT for AWLBA.
 
Can't blame you, rn hax layering is a hot mess once it became the meta ever since smurf potency was effectively nuked

I also don't want to deal with hax layering now since it involves a lot of semantics and biases that once all of the crts for Isekai at Peace is done imma dip and won't come back till like, another 300 chapters maybe

Hopefully by that time there's already a new lover arc
 
At last, the manga has reached the part where Shiro goes on her first date with Kaito. I will burn that swimsuit into my memory before I lose my life to a nosebleed , unlike Kaito, my reasoning has no durability.
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I don't think Lillie's subjective reality is better than gremmy, lest he can think she doesn't exist anymore and he stomp, or she can come back and then incon

Either way, it's a mismatch me think
 
Lillie doesn't have a webnovel profile. If she did, she'd be a bajillion times faster than him, so he wouldn't have time to think of a solution to beat her.
 
Noneless21 said:
lest he can think she doesn't exist anymore and he stomp
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He definitely won't do that in-character lmao

The best use of Visionary he'll do is, creating weapons and stuff to attacks her which can easily be defended by her SR plus attack him with his own powers at 5 times more potency and he's cooked.

Honestly Lillie just needs to continue doing that and he'd kill himself like he did in canon.
 
Considering peak counts have probability manipulation, reality warping, causality manipulation etc, and Lillie's abilities can reflect that stuff back at their users or just straight up pretend they didn't happen, her abilities are decently haxed.
 
Wait how fast is Gremmy?

Oh he's massively hypersonic

Yeah Lillie blitz if we didn't equalize speed, although if we do, don't think Gremmy can do much to her given he'll vision her as this unstoppable monster more than Kenny
 
Just a random shower thought

God Tiers : Shallow Vernal, Nebula, Awakened Prologue Kuromueina, Kaito

Top Tiers : World Creator (Higher Order)

High Tier : World Creators (Quasi, Omnipotent, Omnipotent and Omniscient)

Upper Mid Tier : Six Kings, Dukes, Supreme Gods, Peak Counts, Upper Counts,

Mid Tiers : Counts (Mid), Gods (High)

Low Tiers : Count (Low), Viscount, Baron, Gods (Low)

Bottom Tier : Black Bears, Wyverns, Knights, Adventurers

The Gap is absolutely insane !
 
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My personal ranking would be like:

Peak/God tiers: Shiro, Kaito.

High Top tiers : FP Kuro, Nebula, HGO WCs

Mid Top tiers: Current Makina, all Omnipotent and Omniscient WCs

Low Top tiers: Omnipotent WCs and Quasi-Omnipotent WCs.

High Tier: Six Kings, Supreme Gods, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi.

High mid tiers: Dukes and Peak Count ranks.

Mid tiers: High Count ranks, Mid Count ranks and Low Count ranks .

Low mid tiers: Viscounts and Barons.

Low tiers: High ranking demons.

Fodders: Knights, monsters.

I feel like Kings, peak and high count ranks should have a level difference.
 
Idk how it was missed, but Alice should have power null?

[Omniscience and omnipotence mean nothing before Shallow Vernal.]


[Wha……]


Alice couldn’t hide her astonishment from hearing that Eden, the pinnacle of a world, was no match for Shallow Vernal.


[She’s someone who would suddenly appear before a world, and bring the curtain of this world’s story to a close. Let’s see, I guess it must be appropriate to say that…… what suddenly appears before these worlds is the “phenomenon” called Shallow Vernal.]


[……Phenomenon?]


[Let me give you a brief description.]


As she said this, Eden-san made a book appear in her hand, casually opened it and showed it to Alice. On its page, there is a drawing of what seems to be a universe.


[For example, let’s assume that the beings depicted on this page…… are infinite identical beings in an infinite multidimensional universe, with even higher capabilities of omniscience and omnipotence. One of them can erase multiple galaxies with a single breath, and obliterate worlds with a casual wave of their hand. How would you…… defeat such a being?]



[……An infinitely omnipotent being huh…… I honestly couldn’t think of any. I might be able to pull off their authority and take them down one of them, but they’ll just make up for it soon enough…… With its infinite numbers, it’s impossible for me to defeat all of her bodies at the same time. I mean, in the first place, is it even possible to defeat such a being?]-Chapter 547
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Alice can pull off the authorities of Gods, kinda crazy since authorities are law and concept manipulation, though I assume this would be with Hekatonkheires/Ultimate Battle Form since it's only once she uses UBF as seen in the final arc, that she can deal with authorities head on, instead of using tricks like swapping with clones, still a major thing to have overlooked.
 
I think that count as sealing? Though at that point she already had her heart tool evolved so maybe give it to her at the post Eden key
 
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