Is Vegeta stronger than goku in episode 63

[Aldahshan93161]

Any thoughts

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Probably, I believe that Vegeta was superior before the episode if you don't count Kaio-ken. However, given the amount of damage Goku took after he squared off with Black and Zamasu while enraged, he would have seen at least a decent zenkai boost but that it possibly countered by Vegeta's training the HTC.

As it stands, however, Goku hasn't done anything yet to put him on Vegeta's current level, what with Vegeta overwhelming Black.

 

[Aldahshan93161]

Maybe the zenkai boost goku got after the fight made equal to Vegeta

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Maybe the zenkai boost goku got after the fight made equal to Vegeta

More of what and see. It's fully possible, we just have wait for the next episode.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Well, clearly Zamasu < Black Goku

So probably Vegeta is stronger than Goku now

 

[Legion350]

The real question is whether Goku is stronger than Trunks.

 

[LuciferSPN]

Yea,atm VEgeta base > Goku but it doesn't really matter since by the time arc is over they'll be equals

 

[AidenBrooks999]

The real question is whether Goku is stronger than Trunks.

Well, Trunks briefly overpowered Black, like Goku when he was enraged, then Zamasu pushed Super Trunks

And Goku overwhelmed Zamasu


So yeah, SSB Goku >= Super Trunks

 

[Legion350]

Wasn't Trunks really tired when he was fighting Zamasu? I think it's more like Trunks>=Goku

 

[Aldahshan93161]

The zenkai made goku equal to vegeta nothing proves Vegeta is stronger

 

[AguilaR101]

Err not really, Black received a power boost after getting pushed around by Goku, Trunks sucessfully managed to knock him out so that means Trunks is currently >>SSB Goku.

Zamasu only managed to bother him later because he wasted almost half his ki in defeating black, and we can clearly see in during the previous scene that he could send Zamasu flying with a casual ki blast when the two were rushing towards him.

 

[Aldahshan93161]

At first yeah trunks was stronger than goku and Vegeta but after they returned a third time to the future Vegeta surpassed trunks and goku also surpassed trunks because as I said goku got a zenkai that kept him equal to Vegeta and there's nothing that proves Vegeta is stronger than goku now

 

[AguilaR101]

I said goku got a zenkai that kept him equal to Vegeta and there's nothing that proves Vegeta is stronger than goku now

There is nothing to suggest Goku got a substantial boost in power, all evidence points out to trunks and vegeta being stronger than SSB Goku.

as it is right now Vegeta>Black>=Trunks>Goku >Zamasu.

 

[Aldahshan93161]

How there is nothing that suggests goku didn't get boosted when a saiyan get's beaten up to near death and then is fully healed the saiyan gets stronger that was proven alot of times in dragon ball that's the same thing that happened to goku he got beaten up to near death by black goku

 

[AguilaR101]

How there is nothing that suggests goku didn't get boosted when a saiyan get's beaten up to near death and then is fully healed the saiyan gets stronger that was proven alot of times in dragon ball that's the same thing that happened to goku he got beaten up to near death by black goku

Again, you're assuming the zenkai boosted him to above Black's level. there is no evidence of this and zenkais have not given any saiyan substantial boosts since the frieza saga, only exception being cell.

By your own logic Trunks is still stronger considering Black+Zamasu almost killed him and got healed by zensus twice.

 

[Aldahshan93161]

How do you zenkai's don't have effect anymore

 

[LuciferSPN]

It affects only if plot needs it

 

[Aldahshan93161]

There's no evidence

 

[Legion350]

How can you prove the Zenkai gave him a major boost? By feats it's Vegeta > Trunks > Goku

 

[Aldahshan93161]

The feats will probably change in next episode but right now goku is weaker than Vegeta by a little but he his stronger than trunks as goku is not that much weaker than Vegeta and probably in next episode I am sure it will be proved that goku is equal to Vegeta like I said

 

[Legion350]

What makes you think Goku is only slightly weaker than Vegeta? Vegeta was able to get training that Goku wasn't, so I doubt Goku is close even with a zenkai. Maybe it will be shown next episode that they are equal, but as of now they are far from equal.

 

[Aldahshan93161]

Goku still got a zenkai that made him close to the league of Vegeta now and in next episode goku will prove he is equal to Vegeta

 

[Sparky_"Dante"_Marky1234]

Likely. Vegeta trained in the RoSaT while Goku simply learnt the Mafuba