Is this `1-A and QS?

[Aaaaa11112222]

Essentially, first of all, we have the subspace. The subspace in DB is a space that exists between dimensions and contains the ROSAT and Sugargoku Space. This is the same subspace that Goku and other DB characters use through is the same one that is through IE. Anyway, this same subspace transcends time. Since this has no concept of time itself, yet still somehow transcends time, this should therefore not be 0D, and instead 1-A.

Also, for QS, Goku can use IS aka the subspace in the crack of time. Which I don't need to get into, as it's evident that these crystals are essentially the realm where all DB timelines are compromised of. And since Goku can use this subspace in this realm, this entails that the subspace isn't limited to a single timeline. This means that the subspace engulfs the crack of time. Since DB timelines on this wiki are 5D IIRC, this means that the subspace is at least 6D even if we ignore 1-A. For more evidence, the said subspace is infinite in size. So it should be another spatial axis.

And DBS is canon to Xenoverse, as this person explained. As well as this explanation.

 

[CanineAnnoyer]

I don't think its a good idea to use QS as an abbreviation for qualitative superiority, as quantative superiority has the same abbreviation.

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

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[RenderGK]

mmm

 

[denisnic55]

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[AizenBankai09]

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[RanHover60]

Why are people bumping this

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

Why are people bumping this

why not? If you disagree with this argument then debunk it, that's why I wrote this. SO I can see whether or not this is 1-A/QS or not.

 

[denisnic55]

Maybe someone should move this to CRTs. For me at least, any answer to your question will clarify some of mine so I hope you'll get input on this.

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

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[Ultima_Reality]

Peak.

Anyway: The answer is no. Firstly because "transcend" is not an automatic indicator of the sort of superiority that is required of 1-A characters. Things with Type 1 Beyond-Dimensional Existence (i.e. Lack space, time and dimensionality, but aren't superior to dimensional objects) can also perfectly be said to "transcend time," as well, in that they are obviously exempt from spacetime. Same way you can say an incorporeal being "transcends matter." Both of these are accurate.

(A retort that I've been presented with before is that Japanese is more precise with its terms than English, and that the term "超越" [Cho-etsu] which is used in that specific scan, would automatically net 1-A by virtue of always referring to superiority. This doesn't seem very accurate, seeing as you can find plenty of more mundane uses of it pretty easily. Even in Dragon Ball itself)

To add to that, IT letting Goku pop directly inside Subspace would just stand in direct contradiction to 1-A, since 1-A in the new system doesn't permit lower-reality characters to access it save through unorthodox indirect means or through interference from something in a higher reality. See here. So this already very ambiguous case just instantly collapses when that factor is introduced.

 

[AwkguyDB]

let me be the one to say that Ultima answering so fast on a DB tier 1 thread is a mere feat of legend and that all should cherish this (because you probably ain't seeing this again)

 

[AwkguyDB]

Peak.

Anyway: The answer is no. Firstly because "transcend" is not an automatic indicator of the sort of superiority that is required of 1-A characters. Things with Type 1 Beyond-Dimensional Existence (i.e. Lack space, time and dimensionality, but aren't superior to dimensional objects) can also perfectly be said to "transcend time," as well, in that they are obviously exempt from spacetime. Same way you can say an incorporeal being "transcends matter." Both of these are accurate.

(A retort that I've been presented with before is that Japanese is more precise with its terms than English, and that the term "超越" [Cho-etsu] which is used in that specific scan, would automatically net 1-A by virtue of always referring to superiority. This doesn't seem very accurate, seeing as you can find plenty of more mundane uses of it pretty easily. Even in Dragon Ball itself)

To add to that, IT letting Goku pop directly inside Subspace would just stand in direct contradiction to 1-A, since 1-A in the new system doesn't permit lower-reality characters to access it save through unorthodox indirect means or through interference from something in a higher reality. See here. So this already very ambiguous case just instantly collapses when that factor is introduced.

Now here's my gripe with this, we see that in the verse, subspaces can't be accessed directly even with IT or KAI KAI for example, Suguro Space and the Hyperbolic Time Chamber



with that the case wouldn't IT and KAI KAI be unorthodox anyways?

Why couldn't we say IT and KaiKai are just a form of dimensional travel?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Now here's my gripe with this, we see that in the verse, subspaces can't be accessed directly even with IT or KAI KAI for example, Suguro Space and the Hyperbolic Time Chamber



with that the case wouldn't IT and KAI KAI be unorthodox anyways?

Why couldn't we say IT and KaiKai are just a form of dimensional travel?

The interpretation of the OP seems to be that the space which Goku travels through when using IT is Subspace, which would contradict the idea that it can't be directly accessed in that way. And would also make the referent of the "Transcends time" statement into some other, unrelated realm.

So the cards, even all together, aren't enough to yield anything notable, and if you use this argument then the case is just dismantled even further.