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Is the Pokémon cosmology above baseline 2A
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Dunno about pokemon question. But I can speculate that in the case of Pokemon it's just number of multiverses and there doesn't seem to be any significant difference in them, in other words, all multiverses are baseline.
If I am not wrong if you want to have above baseline AP the universes or multiverses must have a clear difference in durability between them, because it is easier for example to destroy 5 multiverses that contain infinite universes than 1 multiverse that is countless or infinitely superior in all aspects to a baseline multiverse . Of course, you may be able to destroy many baseline multiverse but your AP will not be enough to destroy a multiverse that is countless or infinitely superior in all aspects to a baseline multiverse.
If I am not wrong if you want to have above baseline AP the universes or multiverses must have a clear difference in durability between them, because it is easier for example to destroy 5 multiverses that contain infinite universes than 1 multiverse that is countless or infinitely superior in all aspects to a baseline multiverse . Of course, you may be able to destroy many baseline multiverse but your AP will not be enough to destroy a multiverse that is countless or infinitely superior in all aspects to a baseline multiverse.
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Just layered hax. There is no difference at all in the durability of the pokemon' multiverses or anything that says that multiverses are superior to each other. So still baseline
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I can't tell since idk which one are baseline or not, but the clearest one would be Maou Gakuin, even if you can destroy a universe in layer 1, you can't even destroy a simple ship in layer 2 and so on. In this case there is a clear difference between the durability of the universes of each layer.
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Cosmology in tier 2-A is irrelevant now, since infinite x or + anything still infinite. Only DnD iirc have above baseline cosmology in 2-A, since the verse itself directly stated that destroy more 2-A multiverse require more power
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Only DnD? Interesting indeed
I was thinking........
. So what if, let's say Rimuru was 2A baseline but can amp his AP via his RE and Reactive Power level to significantly multiply his already 2A AP
Will that be accepted as above baseline stuff in combat?
I was thinking........
. So what if, let's say Rimuru was 2A baseline but can amp his AP via his RE and Reactive Power level to significantly multiply his already 2A AP
Will that be accepted as above baseline stuff in combat?
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Nowaday, people above baseline is because of scaling chain, scaling from the one who baseline, that is the matter of the verse expert to find out who is baseline, then scaling from that character
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Well, idk how the verse work but you have to proof Pokemon does adapt the idea of larger infinities just like the comments above said.
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Last i remember, pokemon is 2x baseline due to the distortion world
I totally disagree with multiple multiverses not making stuff above baseline but oh well
I totally disagree with multiple multiverses not making stuff above baseline but oh well
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The real world does
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King, what're you talking about.
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Our real world has the idea of higher infinities so why wouldn't other fictions have it?
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Because not every author has the mind of Georg Cantor and adapt the idea that there's even something called countable infinity.
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Basically Dialga and Palkia cannot leave or access the Distortion world without using Giratinas portals and since Dialga and Palkia have 2-A range it needs to be above baseline as they cannot reach out of it
It also follows other minor justifications which help get above baseline like different laws, concepts, casuality, matter, etc
Also Giratina which has the range to travel in and out cannot access Arceus's dimension so Arceus's range would be something like 3xbaseline 2-A
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I see.
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There was no CRT for it to be upgraded and everything was downgraded to baseline when above baseline 2-A was changed
so its stuck there until someone makes a CRT for it
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It was made and it was rejected
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when was it made?
like looking through old Pokemon revisions I see nothing regarding above baseline 2-A using the distortion world from past the 2-A change (or Arceus's stuff as that is super new)
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that's just above baseline range, from what I can see.
you would need something like "Distortion world requires 100x more power to destroy than the real multiverse" to qualify, iirc.
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The author's mind is not the same as his work
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I mean I am only talking about above baseline range here. Above baseline AP is even harder to get (other then scaling chains)
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The upgrade thread has been made after new 2-A standard tho
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The CRT did not use the new proof I was talking about (kinda hard when the proof wasn’t out until March of this year)
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the evidence you brought up has no sources to back it up as far as i see rn
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And then.
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Yes. I already told you what is the easier way to get above baseline AP in which Pokemon doesn't qualify at all.
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The cosmology is still baseline, arcues is not. he has above baseline 2a ap.
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If cosmology is baseline in AP how does Arceus have above baseline AP? No sense
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By scaling chain
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No sense, there is nothing to scale because everything is still baseline and you don't need a greater power to destroy the cosmology. Only in hax is above baseline
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what? Scaling chain works for every tier duh
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There is nothing to scale in AP if not even the cosmology is above baseline because the AP to destroy everything will remain the same, I can understand that the AP of Arceus is higher than any other character in pokemon but not enough to give a concrete feat of how much Above baseline can be.
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Scaling chains in fact works for 2-A. That was literally one of the reasons established in the thread.
