Is TEKKEN Tag Tournament 2 Canon Now???

[LeopoldTheBrave]

Tekken Japan website

So on the official Japanese website for Tekken, it has the stories of all the DLC fighters which can't be found anywhere in-game. For... some reason... lol. But these are typically translated by YellowMotion on Twitter, or someone else, and put on the Tekken Wiki.

Julia's story involves her wrestler persona (Jaycee) who has only ever existed in Tekken Tag Tournament 2, bringing it into canon. The story is that the persona ended up being too good, and people began to hate her because she won too much. So to avoid getting a bad reputation that could harm her reforestation plans, she quits wrestling to become a streamer. She enters the King of Iron Fist Tournament 7 to stream her fights and hopefully earn enough donations to help her cause.

So... what would this mean for Tekken Tag Tournament 2? This all could be shrugged off as non canon since it's DLC, but canon DLC isn't something that's unheard of in games. Plus the DLC for Tekken 7 has introduced brand new original characters to the series like Leroy Smith and Fahkumram who are likely going to appear in the next game as well, bringing their Tekken 7 DLC storylines with them. Same with all the returning characters like Anna, Lei, and Julia here.

 

[LeopoldTheBrave]

Bump

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Bits of Tag 2 where shown in the flashbacks for Tekken 7 final battle between Heihachi and Kazuya as well, this could mean certain stuff from tag 2 happened, this should be talked with others

Hello btw Leo, surprised you returned here ever since, there is also a thread made by me regarding things for Tekken (https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3729859?useskin=oasis), so far there us something about potential country level power and accepting Blood Vengeance as oart of canon more or less, it would be neat if you could give your opinion on that since you are a knownledgable tekken fellow

 

[The_Web_Adventurer]

I really think we should just take notes and wait what is to happen as of now. Tag 2 being canon isn't that far off anymore, but I still think we should wait for further information leaks as of now.

 

[Ionliosite]

I would like Tag 2 being canon.

 

[The_Web_Adventurer]

Same.

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

First of all, Julia isnt even apart of the Tekken 7 story, she is DLC. She is no more canon than Noctis or Geese, that also have profiles refering to their previous games. That doesnt tie those games to Tekken 7 at all tho.

Secondly, copying what I said ithis thread .

There are plenty of evidence as for why Tekken Tag 1 and Tekken Tag 2 are non-canon such as:

- Ogre was killed in Tekken 3 by Jin, yet appears in Tekken Tag 1 and in Tekken Tag 2. How?

- Jinpatchi was killed by Jin in Tekken 5, yet appears in Tekken Tag 2.

- Kazuya didnt appear in any Tekken tournament between Tekken 2 and Tekken 4, as frequently stated in the series, yet he appeared in Tekken Tag 1 with 0 explanation given.

- Jun was dead before Tekken 3, yet appears in Tekken Tag 1 and Tekken Tag 2, with 0 explanation given.

- Baek was hospitalized by Ogre prior to Tekken 3, until Tekken 5, which is why he didnt appear in Tekken 3 and 4, yet he appears in Tekken Tag 1 with 0 explanation given?

- Raven was wounded by Dragonuv during Tekken 6, which is why he doesnt appear in Tekken 7, yet he appears in Tekken Tag 2?.

I could go on and on. There are too many continuity errors for Tekekn Tag 1 and Tag 2 to be canon, and 0 evidence that supports it being canon. Tekken Tag 1 and Tag 2 are games that are made to ignore continuity, and bring every character from the series in 1 game. This is why there are no mentions of any major events of Tekken Tag 1 and 2 in any other Tekken game.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

First of all your opinion is wrong and dare to say stupid all over the place, which cant be taken seriously at all from you

Julia not appearing in the main story is not even a good example, King or Paul dont appear either, they have their separate stories for whats their deal in tekken 7, so does Julia, her being DLC or not has nothing to do with her canonicity, DLC=/= non canon

Geese noctis, negan are guest characters they have no business with tekken at all, they are there just for fan service, bad comparison all over

Also Leo, Steve and a few others characters from tag 2 have their endings from there canon which Dark649 mentioned in one his blogs too long ago

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

King and Paul do appear in the main story, which you would have known if you had actually played as them in the story mode, or just googled " T7 Paul / Law story mode". DLC are non canon, or are you now going to say Noctis and Negan are canon? Julia is just there for fan service too.

And good job ignoring everything I said about Tekken tag having continuity errors.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I like how you are ignorant and dont prove shit

King and Paul dudnt appear in the main story, they arent in tekken 7 main story genius, they have characters episodes, separate from the main one, you would have knew if you werent so full of yourself acting like you know something

Where it says DLC is non canon huh?There is no such rule at all and nowhere i said Geese ir Noctis are canon either, i saud they are guests, they aint involved with the series at all

Anna story is tied with Nina and she is DLC, so your logic is null

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

Character episode are part of the T7 story, genius, which you would had known had you played the game. I never said Paul and Law appeared in the Mishima story, but they DO appear in the T7 story.

Ok, you're right, DLC is not non-canon, I guess Final Fantasy and Walking Dead are part of the Tekken Universe. Akuma is a guest character that is involved with the series, guest Characters can be canon, so your logic is null.

Also, good job ignoring everything I said about Tekken tag having continuity errors. Tekken Tag isnt canon for the same reason Dragon Ball Z and the DBZ movies arent canon to Dragon Ball Super + Dragon Ball manga.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Tekken 7 story is the feud with mishimas, the characters episode dont have anything to do with that, its the characters own story in the game


Dumb and stupid argument again, FF and WD are guests characters, a guest is never canon unless the lore says so, like Akuma, characters already part of the series added as DLC=/= non canon, head canon at its finest you look pathetic


The anime is an adaptation of the manga, Tekken doesnt go like that with its canon, epic fail again, also the dbz movies have their own canon unrelated to the main timeline universe, bad examples as always


Funny how you repeat at the end phrases i said in my comments previously, show your signs of intelligence and your comprehension in general

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

I know the main story is the Mishima story, doesnt change the fact that the game has other stories, so your logic is null. why is this so hard for you to understand? The lore doesnt say Julia, a guest character, is canon to T7, nor does it say Tekken Tag is canon, so it isnt, by your own logic. Does the lore say Anna has participated in Tekken 7? Dragon Ball Super is canon to the Dragon Ball manga, Dragon Ball Z anime has scenes used in Dragon Ball Super, but that doesnt make Z canon to Super. Tekken does go like that with its canon.

 

[AKM sama]

Another reminder. Please be calm and don't throw insults around. If the situation persists, action will be taken.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Julia isnt a guest character....and again since when DLC characters(characters we seen in past games) are non canon now? What kind of logic is this huh?

I dont remember any such scene from DBZ anime to Super and once again, anime is the adaptation of the manga, Tekken diesnt adapt anything

Jaycee being a thing despite its just in tag 2 in tekken 7 and that it shows events from tag 2 is more then enough to conclude things from it can be used that dont affect anything in canon

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

The characters aren't non canon, but their APPEARANCE in the game is non-canon, because they do not appear in the story. This is why no DLC character has a story episode or appears in the Mishima story mode, because they are not canon to the game's story.

If a dead character appears as a DLC with 0 explanation, then we dont arbitrarily assume their appearance in the game is canon to the story. In the first episode of Dragon Ball Super, we see a flashback from Z, I know the anime is the adaptation of the manga, stop repeating this. It's irrelvant for my point.

You cant say JayCee being a wrestler is more than enough to conclude that events from Tekken Tag are canon, when dozens of events in Tekken tag contradict dozens of things from the main Tekken games, you keep ignoring this.

Didnt you just say that Tekken Tag 1 and 2 dont have any story? Yet you want to use feat from their story to powerscale to T7 characters???

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Proof her story isnt canon? if not then we are done here, if Ogre appeared in the game as DLC, its clear his appearance isnt canon as he died long ago, there is no rule a character needs to appear in the main story of that game which focused strictly on Mishimas and others relevant to it, to be canon, thats utterly ridiculous, all the other characters like Paul arent involved with the Mishimas in that game, he has its own thing entering the tournament and ends up fighting Panda, while Julia enters the tournament as she needs to make money from donations out if streaming and quiting wrestling(jaycee thing) for that


Even from the main games you dont take all endings as canon, just those that clearly dont affect anything or were said later to have things happened, i never said all tag endings are canon and neither that we will use all, i dont ignor anything you do and use head canons and personal view for your so called poor "counter arguments"


They have no story....just endings and openings, no main story at all, keep insisting on that debunked thing, you dont help yourself at all


DBS flashbacks are the main fights that Goku had, Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, Buu, which we seen in manga too, if you dont have any good example dont give at all

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Next time you reply the same debunked and poor arguments i will not bother to explain any further and i will completely pretend you arent here

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

Ogre doesnt appear as DLC, there are no DLC for Tekken Tag 1 or 2, Ogre is one of the bosses of Tag 2 he appears in the main story of the game, even though he's dead. I have no clue what you are talking about, I never said a character needs to appear in the main story, but nice strawman. Read my post again. Endings and openings are stories, or are you saying every game before Tekken 4 dont have a story, even though they obviously do. you dont help yourself at all. What head canon have I used?

I know the DBS flashbacks are the main fights, but we dont accept DBZ as canon, just because flashbacks from Z is used in Super. You have given 0 explanations as for how Tag in Z differ.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

No DLC for tag 2....another proof you dont know what you talking, tag 2 had DLC which was given free cuz Harada was against it

You did you only ignore them and still act as you know something...

Endings and openings arent stories, the storu for those pre T4 were in old manuals not in endings or openings

The flashbacks in ep 1 has no scene that manga didnt have, it shows a recap of the events in Z, your examples are bad and with no sense at all

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Wasting time and making yourself look laughable, stop commenting if you have nothing better to bring

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

True Ogre and Jun are not DLC characters, so your point about that is moot. Both of them are boss characters. Endings and openings are absolutely stories, and filler characters from DBZ suchas Gregory appears in Super, but never appears in the manga. Again, why is the Z anime not canon to DBS, despite Super using characters only shown in Z and never in the manga? You are making the exact same argument for Tag.

 

[Antvasima]

@BlackDarkness

You need to make a serious effort to immediately stop with the insults. Doorinmyhouse is currently trying to get you banned and has people agreeing with him. If you continue, you will likely be removed. This goes for your future behaviour as well.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody experienced summarise the arguments here?

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

Blackdarkness is saying that dead characters and continuity erros in Tekken Tag dont matter, because Tekken Tag doesnt have a story ( which is false, every Tekken game has a story, but not neccesarily a canon story).

He is also saying Dragon Ball Super never uses any scenes from Z that didnt happen in the manga, which is also false, because Gregory, King Kaioshin's little bug friend, does appear in Super but never in the manga. We dont consider Z canon to Super despite that, so I'm saying we shouldnt do the same for Tekken Tag either. Tekken 7 mentions JayCee, a character only mentioned beforehand in Tekken Tag 2 + T7 uses flashbacks from Tekken Tag 1, but like I said, So does Dragon Ball Super with the Z anime that still doesnt make it canon.

 

[Antvasima]

That is probably a good point.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Tag games have no story, each main game gives a reason for the tournament happening, the tags dont give anything like that and their endings and openings=/=main story, stop insisting on false info thst they do and before you bring the games before T4, they have the stories in old manuals with stuff that the game doesnt say, like Paul and Kazuya having fought before T1 and their draw


The dead characters in there arent claimed or said to be alive in canon again, they are simply what ifs which like in the main games are ignored and not considered


Gregory appears in DBS anime regardless anyway besides flashback, making him canon and dont attempt to bring the DBS manga as that one its his own canon, separate from it which also came up later


DBS makes flashbacks to the fights Goku and his friends had in Z, nothing that was original to anime

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Even the tekken wiki says Julia story of Jaycee is canon, also mentions Leo and Steve endings to be canon, you simply just ignore with no sctual proof or logical arguments as to why we cant use things from them


And Matthew said in a thread for street fighter regarding canonicity for fighting games, if an ending isnt contradicting its ok to be used, like if a character displays for example destroying a country or something

 

[Doorinmyhouse]

If tag games dont have a story, then how are any events within the games supposed to have happened? How does something happen without having a story?

Gregory appears outside of flashbacks is exactly my point, in fact he ONLY appears outside flashbacks. Gregory is canon DBS but Gregory NEVER appears in the original Dragon Ball manga. By your logic, this would make the DBZ anime canon to Dragon Ball Super, because Gregory only appears in the DBZ anime, I did not say a word about the DBS manga at all throughout this thread.

You are cherry picking, The Tekken wiki also CLEARLY says that Tekken Tagis non cano , in literally the second sentence, what is your point? Why did you ignore this? Tekken Tag is listed as a spin-off game, spin off meaning non-canon. Literally everything you have accused me of doing is something you have done repeatedly throughout both threads.

Yeah Matthew says ending are canon as long as they dont contradict the main story, guess that mean almost every ending in Street Fighter X Tekken are canon now?

 

[Antvasima]

I have to unsubscribe from this thread due to time constraints. You can notify me later via my message wall if you need my help after you have reached a conclusion.

Also, try to stay polite, or you won't be able to reach any agreements.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Street fighter x tekken is a crossover, entirely different thing from tag games, i didnt ignore anything, it also says there on the wiki it has no story

Recently tag 1 and tag 2 had few cinematics from them put in T7, that means they exist in canon with some certain stuff from there, you really cant figure out this?You choose to argue just for sake of it

Just cuz he never appeared before in the manga doesnt mean anything, he got canonized with DBS later on, meaning that character exists now