Is neo eclipse's attack potential equal to zeref's attack potential?

[Memonto_Mori]

In the crt opened in vsb, it was confirmed that neo eclipse can erase the last 400 years of the world, so it got a 3A scale. My question is, does this 3A neo eclipse scale reflect on Zeref's attack potential, that is, will Zeref's attack potential be 3A?

 

[Delta3000]

with neo eclipse, yes with out it, no.

 

[CloverDragon03]

It would be a massive outlier if scaled to physical stats, and Neo Eclipse wasn’t given a rating by virtue of being “time hax”

 

[Memonto_Mori]

with neo eclipse, yes with out it, no.

I'm talking about zeref with neo eclipse, the range part is 3A, I think the ap part should also be 3A.

 

[Memonto_Mori]

It would be a massive outlier if scaled to physical stats, and Neo Eclipse wasn’t given a rating by virtue of being “time hax”

. We know that the neo eclipse is a time manipulation, but we need both the neo eclipse and the fairy heart to erase the last 400 years. Zeref absorbs the fairy heart and combines the two spells. Can't we get 3A thanks to Zeref's AP neo eclipse?

 

[CloverDragon03]

. We know that the neo eclipse is a time manipulation, but we need both the neo eclipse and the fairy heart to erase the last 400 years. Zeref absorbs the fairy heart and combines the two spells. Can't we get 3A thanks to Zeref's AP neo eclipse?

I tried before a while back, though frankly it's been long enough that I feel I could provide stronger arguments this time

That being said, it would only be for Neo Eclipse. Zeref's physical stats in his Fairy Heart form don't scale to it

 

[Memonto_Mori]

I tried before a while back, though frankly it's been long enough that I feel I could provide stronger arguments this time

That being said, it would only be for Neo Eclipse. Zeref's physical stats in his Fairy Heart form don't scale to it

I have one last question, what exactly is not suitable? We know that Zeref combines these two spells and time can be reset when he passes through the door.
By physical stats do you mean stamina, range or similar physical stats? If you can be more descriptive, I can contribute to the upgrade if I have more solid arguments for these statistics in the future.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I have one last question, what exactly is not suitable? We know that Zeref combines these two spells and time can be reset when he passes through the door.
By physical stats do you mean stamina, range or similar physical stats? If you can be more descriptive, I can contribute to the upgrade if I have more solid arguments for these statistics in the future.

Basically, if there was a 3-A rating (personally, I'd go for Low 2-C since it affects time), Zeref's Fairy Heart Form wouldn't become 3-A as a whole. It would be something like "5-A, 3-A with Neo Eclipse"

 

[Memonto_Mori]

Basically, if there was a 3-A rating (personally, I'd go for Low 2-C since it affects time), Zeref's Fairy Heart Form wouldn't become 3-A as a whole. It would be something like "5-A, 3-A with Neo Eclipse"

Wouldn't it make sense to enter 3A in your profile along with neo eclipse? And personally, I prefer L2C because it says the end of the world has come.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Wouldn't it make sense to enter 3A in your profile along with neo eclipse? And personally, I prefer L2C because it says the end of the world has come.

Well no, because Zeref would only have Universal AP with Neo Eclipse, not with any other spell

 

[Memonto_Mori]

Well no, because Zeref would only have Universal AP with Neo Eclipse, not with any other spell

The space-time manipulation he received from the fairy heart does not restrict haxes such as aca1 immo8, zeref's infinite magic power does not scale to ap, because there is no evidence of exit, in this case, neo eclipse is the most logical for ap and according to what he said, there is no contradiction.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I never said the Space-Time Manipulation he received restricts his other haxes, but basically what I'm saying is that Zeref's current AP is Large Planet level. It would stay that way, but also have an additional Universal AP rating for Neo Eclipse specifically. Zeref never showcases this level of power with anything beyond Neo Eclipse, which requires him to fuse Fairy Heart and the Space Between Time. As such, it's beyond his normal capabilities, and would be listed separately as a result

 

[Memonto_Mori]

I never said the Space-Time Manipulation he received restricts his other haxes, but basically what I'm saying is that Zeref's current AP is Large Planet level. It would stay that way, but also have an additional Universal AP rating for Neo Eclipse specifically. Zeref never showcases this level of power with anything beyond Neo Eclipse, which requires him to fuse Fairy Heart and the Space Between Time. As such, it's beyond his normal capabilities, and would be listed separately as a result

I understand now, thank you for the detailed explanation.

 

[CloverDragon03]

No problem. Of course, this is all only if Neo Eclipse is accepted as being 3-A/Low 2-C. If it's rejected, Zeref's profile will stay as is

 

[Memonto_Mori]

Sorun değil. Tabi bu sadece Neo Eclipse'in 3-A/Low 2-C olarak kabul edilmesi durumunda geçerli olur. Reddedilirse Zeref'in profili olduğu gibi kalacak

Neo tutulma ölçeğinin uzun zaman önce kabul edildiğini hatırlıyorum. Detaylı konuşmak isterseniz DC üzerinden ekleyebilir misiniz? Ek argümanlarım var. Discord adım mercurialserpent

 

[CloverDragon03]

I remember that the neo eclipse scale was accepted a long time ago. If you want to talk about it in detail, can you add it via DC? I have additional arguments. My discord name is mercurialserpent

On VS Battles Wiki? No, it was removed

 

[Memonto_Mori]

On VS Battles Wiki? No, it was removed

If you want, you can open a CRT about this and we can even open it together.

 

[CloverDragon03]

If you want, you can open a CRT about this and we can even open it together.

I will likely make a CRT on this topic, given I initially argued in favor of it to begin with, but not now. I have other threads (for other verses) that I'd like to handle first

 

[Memonto_Mori]

I will likely make a CRT on this topic, given I initially argued in favor of it to begin with, but not now. I have other threads (for other verses) that I'd like to handle first

I understand, if you want to open CRT together, you can send a message to my profile or send a request to my discord, I will support you.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

 

[CloverDragon03]

We have indeed

 

[CNBA3]

I would say that yes and no, in a sense that the Neo Eclipse requires infinite magic and a Space Between Time.

And the former is not really Zeref's since he absorbed it from someone else, it would be considered external from his standard Magic Container Limits.

 

[Memonto_Mori]

I would say that yes and no, in a sense that the Neo Eclipse requires infinite magic and a Space Between Time.

And the former is not really Zeref's since he absorbed it from someone else, it would be considered external from his standard Magic Container Limits.

Actually, we have reached a clear answer on this issue, but I will make a correction. Neo Eclipse belongs to Zeref because he needs to have these two spells and combine them in order to open the door and go back in time. I argue that Neo Eclipse should have 3A AP. and likewise zeref must have 3A ap

 

[CloverDragon03]

Zeref is not getting Universal AP with his own stats even if Neo Eclipse scales to it. It’s a massive outlier and Zeref also needs to combine two things (Fairy Heart and the Space Between Time) to even activate it

 

[Memonto_Mori]

Zeref is not getting Universal AP with his own stats even if Neo Eclipse scales to it. It’s a massive outlier and Zeref also needs to combine two things (Fairy Heart and the Space Between Time) to even activate it

zeref combines these two things so the door opens zeref can still get 3A ap with neo eclipse I don't see any outliers But as you said before, profile work is more difficult, my personal opinion is that zeref has 3A-l2c ap.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Neo Eclipse doesn’t even fufill our requirements for 3-A cause we don’t consider time resetting AP

But even then, it’s just a big outlier

 

[CNBA3]

But they said it involved destruction of the world though