Is jumping lifting strength, a conversation

[Vzearr]

So me and DMUA recently had a small debate, regarding whether jumping is lifting strength, I stated that it was lifting strength and DMUA stated the former. Now my question to other cgms is, what do you think? Is jumping lifting strength?
Agree (Jumping is LS): Vzearr, Psychomaster, Dalesean, Therefir (4)
Disagree (Jumping isn't LS): DMUA (1)
Neutral/Unknown: Agnaa (1)

 

[Vzearr]

Tagging calc group members (sorry): @DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 @Therefir @Ugarik @DMUA @Damage3245 @TheRustyOne @DemonGodMitchAubin @Jasonsith @Wokistan @Armorchompy @Migue79 @Psychomaster35 @Dark-Carioca @AbaddonTheDisappointment @Aguywhodoesthings @Agnaa @Dalesean027 @DemiiPowa @SeijiSetto @SunDaGamer

 

[Psychomaster35]

Of course jumping should be considered lifting strength. Ever heard of leg pressing which is using your legs to lift things (Including your own body when you jump with force)?

 

[Agnaa]

Thoughts (Psychomaster, read point 2 here)

1. iirc we've typically treated jumping as lifting strength, which is backed up by how Large Size characters can get LS scaling to their weight if they're sufficiently acrobatic (including jumping high). I believe that for this to change, we may have to revise that.
2. I think that there isn't a clean delineation between SS and LS, and that this gets particularly problematic for cases like the calc you're linking. For this specific case, it's using a character being able to "jump" in the space of 1 frame to anywhere on the map, and getting both velocity and acceleration from that. For the general case, and to highlight this as an issue, what separates a slap (striking strength) and a shove (lifting strength)? All that really does, imo, is the contact time; when contact times get this small, I think describing it as LS is really weird. If we take this with any degree of seriousness, all speedsters will have ludicrous LS for pushing themselves off the ground to run.

Overall, I don't know what the best solution is.

 

[Dalesean027]

Jumping being considered LS isn't anything new to the wiki, I've done and accepted many such calcs for it, of course a feat that would be similar to striking strength like kicking yourself up would be different but jumping in and of itself should be valid for LS as you're literally using your legs to push off the ground some jumps even show the ground being ripped beneath their feet as they push up.

So yeah I'm in the camp that without a doubt jumping LS feats are valid

 

[Therefir]

I consider jumping to be lifting strength, as it requires physically pushing against the ground, not unlike lifting something with your legs.

 

[Agnaa]

Jumping being considered LS isn't anything new to the wiki, I've done and accepted many such calcs for it, of course a feat that would be similar to striking strength like kicking yourself up would be different but jumping in and of itself should be valid for LS as you're literally using your legs to push off the ground some jumps even show the ground being ripped beneath their feet as they push up.

So yeah I'm in the camp that without a doubt jumping LS feats are valid

I consider jumping to be lifting strength, as it requires physically pushing against the ground, not unlike lifting something with your legs.

If someone kicks off a wall, gaining some distance from it in the process, would you consider that LS or SS (or would it be down to specific details of the feat)?