Invisible Dragon vs Son Goku

[Planck69]

I have no idea, but this wiki rate DBS at top 1 Low 2-C in ap wise and invisible dragon top 2, unless the rules change, this is how it goes, its sad, but true

This is not an official thing, just something some members came to the conclusion of for whatever reason. Really, don't treat those threads as though they're cast iron proof.

And Oblivion is right. Half 2-C is still a fixed value above baseline, just one we don't know.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

And Oblivion is right. Half 2-C is still a fixed value above baseline, just one we don't know.

DBS Top Tiers need only a 2 times multiplier to become baseline 2-Cs, as Beerus and Champa did a 2-C feat together (Destroying Universes 6 and 7) so they each individually scale to half of said feat.

Invisible Dragon however, still can't reach 2-C no matter how high of a multiplier he'll have on top of his number.

This is why GoD level characters (UIO3 and MUI Goku, Jiren, GoDs, Gogeta Blue and possibly LSSJ Broly) have the strongest AP in Low 2-C, and why characters such as the Angels and Grand Priest are flatly 2-C. Because you can get to 2-C with a multiplier from DBS Top tiers, while you can't reach 2-C by multiplier from Low 2-C in any other verse

 

[Planck69]

He can't reach it with a multiplier because the gap is unquantifiable not because of any superiority to other Low 2-C. Dragon Ball Super actually quantifies the gap unlike other settings.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

He can't reach it with a multiplier because the gap is unquantifiable not because of any superiority to other Low 2-C. Dragon Ball Super actually quantifies the gap unlike other settings.

In verse power levels are not linear. Dragon Ball also have infinite jumps in power despite that their ki is never described as infinitely strong or infinitely dwarfing other characters. Hell, you get in Dragon Ball 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai character going from High 8-C to 5-C by scaling above MAX Power Roshi, whose power level is 139 in DBZ. The Farmer with a shotgun has a power level of 5 and is a normal human, so that should also be a proof that power levels don't work linearly

Also, by your words, I can say that any baseline 2-C one shots Gogeta Blue Kaioken times 2 (This should be possible given Vegito can use SSBKK in DBH) because he's quantifyably above Low 2-C despite being baseline 2-C, who can one shot any Low 2-C normally due to the unquantifyable gap between the tiers

 

[Planck69]

In verse power levels are not linear. Dragon Ball also have infinite jumps in power despite that their ki is never described as infinitely strong or infinitely dwarfing other characters. Hell, you get in Dragon Ball 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai character going from High 8-C to 5-C by scaling above MAX Power Roshi, whose power level is 139 in DBZ. The Farmer with a shotgun has a power level of 5 and is a normal human, so that should also be a proof that power levels don't work linearly

What does this have anything to do with what I said? We know the gap between Low 2-C and 2-C in the context of the setting, that is however many times 2x Beerus is stronger than Zamasu as far as in-verse scaling goes. Why would we still assume anything else?

Also, by your words, I can say that any baseline 2-C one shots Gogeta Blue Kaioken times 2 (This should be possible given Vegito can use SSBKK in DBH) because he's quantifyably above Low 2-C despite being baseline 2-C, who can one shot any Low 2-C normally due to the unquantifyable gap between the tiers

Not really because he quantifies how strong he is in relation to 2-C. If he didn't have the half statement to scale to then yes, he'd get oneshot on principle.

 

[Planck69]

Though, this logic seems so ingrained in the site that I feel tired just thinking of arguing against it.

 

[The_Pink_God]

Soooooo
Who's higher in Low 2-C?

 

[manu_zarri]

a little question

how Half 2-C is quantificalbe? if it's more than a infinite, then it should be full 2-C.

whatever Half 2-C is pretty much considered stronger AP in Low 2-C
so i vote goku due to AP advantage

 

[Planck69]

It's not more than infinite or anything like that.

 

[manu_zarri]

It's not more than infinite or anything like that.

If a space-time is basically uncontable infinite compared to 3D infinite universe. then 2 of them would be 2 uncontable infinite structure, no?

 

[Planck69]

If a space-time is basically uncontable infinite compared to 3D infinite universe. then 2 of them would be 2 uncontable infinite structure, no?

Yes but it doesn't mean destroying two requires infinite more power than destroying one, which is my point.

 

[manu_zarri]

Yes but it doesn't mean destroying two requires infinite more power than destroying one, which is my point.

I meant that 2-C can be quantificable to 2 uncontable infinite of the same size.

reguarding Half 2-C i asked how it's quantificable, since the only thing we know is that it's basically the peak of Low 2-C

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Yes but it doesn't mean destroying two requires infinite more power than destroying one, which is my point.

Yes, but since you can't quantify how much above baseline you need to be to breach the difference between two universes, no amount of multipliers can make you 2-C from Low 2-C.

Even an infinite multiplier won't get you to 2-C

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[Bobepipipiri]

goku fra

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

• Upgraded Self-Destruction Evasion: An upgraded version of his main attack. It allows Invisible Dragon to dodge any kind of attack on a multiversal scale and forces the opponent to self-destruct/kill itself at the same time.

I think goku has a clear AP advantage but what about this?

 

[Teezar]

Invincible dragon based on AP and speed

 

[sanicspood]

Invincible dragon based on AP and speed

speed is literally equal

 

[Teezar]

I guess goku wins

speed is literally equal

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/675732534990077954/675744277837381641/unknown.png

Dosent this make him higher into low 2-C than goku ?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I guess goku wins

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/675732534990077954/675744277837381641/unknown.png

Dosent this make him higher into low 2-C than goku ?

Goku is 2x multiplier away from 2-C, which I have no idea how he isn't 2-c in MUI already.

 

[Bobepipipiri]

because the staff is filled with dc fans

 

[Orange]

Goku is 2x multiplier away from 2-C, which I have no idea how he isn't 2-c in MUI already.

Goku after top should kinda 2x stronger, zenkqi boost, training, the fight with broly
By all means he should be 2-c in mui

 

[Teezar]

True

 

[Teezar]

because the staff is filled with dc fans

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