That's partially already covered in this thread, since I go over the alternate timeline feat and Oliver scaling to the exact same Viltrumites that Mark fought in those issues. Plus, even if we did keep the alternate timeline ratings, I'm pretty sure Mark would scale to Tech Jacket due to taking down Omegajacket alongside the remaining heroes.
Wait, I'm going to write the new justifications
Do you want me to open the profiles, then?
I don't really want to mess anything up, I'd rather you do it, I'm almost done
Also, taking this chance to once again bring attention to this calculation that upgrades Oliver's and Tech Jacket's(and Null's) LS :"
This is a bit rough, no offense. I'll give some suggestions in a few hours.
I'll ask for an evaluation on it.
Your phrasing here in and that thread seems a bit off, as it almost sounds like you're trying to say "even if x didn't" but them you say did.
What are you referring to, and how does this address anything I said?
Are you referring to the alternate Mark or the Viltrumite fight? My entire point is that Mark and those Viltrumites > Oliver, so you're actually adding to what I said.
Are you saying Omnipotus shouldn't scale to Mark?
Dinosaurus can do this even without his claws. He literally killed a clone of Mark.
Cool, that's your opinion. My view on this has changed since that thread, so I won't disagree, and I won't put anything that's contradictory or non-contradictory to this on the profiles due to lack of solid proof.
Because it isn't an anti-feat. Monster Girl still gets stronger over time even after Robot found a patch for the curse, and was already on the same kind of scale as the top tiers even in her earlier appearances. She even mutilates Octoboss with one punch in issue 92, despite Octoboss being a challenge for Thraxa arc Invincible in issue 25.
"Also, I really don't see how making Mark bleed in issue #88 is anything below his earlier levels, which is similarly supported by the fact that he could stomp a Mauler twin," - It was a bit overblown, but here it seems like a double negative situation. As in, if Bulletproof had failed to make Invincible bleed, it could be up for contention on if it was below his earlier levels, but he succeeded (I actually don't see the blood/it looks like spit, but that's irrelevant to this linguistic kerfuffle), so there needn't be any contention. So, yeah, this is a nothing point, even if it leads into a separate point that it doesn't look like Bulletproof bled Mark in that moment, but he should be capable of doing so.
For some reason I completely glossed over this point moment of Nolan saying Oliver fights well, as he looks unconscious. I was just skimming the panel and had a train of thought that simply made me not see the never obvious punch to the viltrumite's (Lucan?) stomach. This had been in the Tech Jacket paragraph where you brought up Oliver.
Not necessarily, but the moment happens very fast, and Mark basically said it was only just getting started, but Omnipotus hadn't drawn blood.
You're right, I forgot about this moment, though it should be the only time he does it. I refute the scene where Dinosaurus rips apart a featless clone with the moment where Dinosaurus bites Invincible's hand and draws no blood, and the fact that at no point in their fights does he manage to cut him. Bleeding his gums, the most common form of bleeding/harm between characters, was done once and that's it.
I think it's a pretty fair opinion. Thragg threatened Nolan Stomper Allen, and while he didn't refute it, Allen didn't know if he actually could handle Thragg. Then he gets burned into chicken wings, something I doubt any character could handle without major injury, and came back stronger. So, he's almost certainly Thragg level, if not greater, but they simply never got to fight.
My meaning here was that I hadn't seen anyone else bring up Monster Girl's scaling via the volcanic drones other than myself, musing that the universe had conspired to keep this topic from coming up. On the topic of Monster Girl vs Octoboss, both Invincible and Bulletproof did Ram into Octoboss and leave, then Samson and Yeti? punch him, then Shapesmith readies him while Japandroid bulks up Monster Girl's fists before hatching him into said fists. So, it's the energy of Shapemith and Monster Girl reinforced to break open the face of a guy when was rammed into just once by Invincible/Bulletproof, with the latter being a set up for this planned tactic.
Does she? I'm still confounded by her being skipped when profiles were made, but I reckon that will soon be remedied. Invincible and Monster Girl kind of operate in separate arenas for most of the story. I don't see much overlap.
I was referring to the fact that the profiles don't treat it that way.
I guess that's fair.
I refute this logic with the fact that Dinosaurus never wanted to kill Mark, and could cleave through some Reanivincibles.
All of them did very minor damage.
Firstly, Shapesmith is fodder in terms of AP compared to Monster Girl, as he was instantly massacred by Robot. What he contributed would be very little compared to her.
My mistake. I think her age stagnated outside of the Flaxan's dimension. However, wouldn't the fact that she was fighting almost constantly for 700 years be a reasonable enough explanation for her now being one of the strongest Earth heroes?
That's only if you look at Invincible directly. There's characters who scale to Viltrumites, which is why I mentioned Wolfman, whom Monster Girl has taken hits from. The fact that she was even chosen to strike the killing blow on Octoboss suggests she's probably above Bulletproof.
I don't see any cleaving and this is predicated on the still questionable nature of the alternate Invincibles. He breaks the hold of several, which can either go with the belief that he was always superior or that he got a fair bit stronger. There's also the fact that they're dead, and that is they were actually as strong as they once were, coupled with the boost we know Sinclair's tech provides, they should could either be weaker or stronger depending upon which notion is followed.
If they planned this for a guy Rex took down, it begs the question of why they did this. Brit isn't one to just brutalized someone just cut. Either they're all crazed or they believed this was the best way to do this.
I mean, this kind of sentiment (training) is held for many characters across many verses, but Monster Girl looked tiny when she was first cursed, with her size being arrested going forward. So, I don't know. It's largely that her being this powerful rubs me this way, but Robot feels worse, so whatever.
Like above, but Bulletproof is also the only flying brick at the moment, and he's very fast (why use Samson and Yeti, who are weaker).
There's blood in the silhouette panel, and it's not from Dinosaurus' face.
All of them are capable of making Mark and Dinosaurus struggle in groups, as we see in the panel.
What's this in reference to? I don't recall Rex taking him down alone or through conventional means.
I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying she'd still have to be at least in the same league as Thraxian Invincible/lower tier Viltrumites for this, since Invincible was nowhere near capable of this with bare fists.
I don't see how this is a counter, but I don't have much evidence myself, so whatever.
I don't get your reasoning here.
Fair
He tossed a charged old school, computer monitor at him, defeating him.
He charged at him once, then left it to Rex. As I mentioned above, Rex would go onto defeat him.
The handbook says she grows in size and strength. Being as she hasn't grown any, and using the alternate universe as supporting evidence, yeah, she shouldn't really be THAT much stronger.
Bulletproof comes in to soften up and knock the opponent off balance, allowing for his teammates to come in and do their thing. It's very odd that Japandroid would feel it necessary to wrap Monster Girl's fists if she would then be capable of knocking Octobosses face open, much less have Shapesmith toss him at her. The whole situation is just too odd to use it as supporting evidence for her being Viltrumite level.
That seems like the outlier, if anything.
Firstly, what I meant was what does Samson and Yeti being weaker than Bulletproof have to do with anything?
Again, I'm not claiming she could've done it without the equivalent of brass knuckles. I'm claiming it's logically not that far outside of her normal level.
The original Guardians of the Globe roster were described as A-listers compared to Shapesmith, so this is kind of like saying Warrior Woman is on par with Kid Thor because they're magic humans.
Understood (I'll reread some stuff to regroup my thoughts, because I'm missing stuff like the Octoboss fight in GtG vol.1)
Called it
He's drawn blood from Post-Thraxa Mark in the past
This is getting kinda crazy for characters with no profiles. No one is conspiring against it, I myself have already expressed my thoughts about it.
From a writing standpoint they wanted to show off what all of them could do, which is difficult since almost all of them just have varying levels of super strength
The reanimen are also somewhat tricky to scale, I wonder how we'd go about giving them a profile. I'd also like to revise Rex's profile a bit
Mark is clearly holding back here, or at least casual, and is not injured.
Ah, didn't see it was 2 scans.
You is right.
I just happened to miss Monster Girl v Robot, is all.
5-C is way too high for a mook Brit and Yeti knocked out. Granted, Brit has that bomb cracking feat in this profile (his rocket gloves should probably be listed alongside his rocket boots in standard equipment). I guess everyone can be 5-C ("when everybody's super, no one will be). Except for Wolfman, who Powerplex decked with a single blast. Britney cam take his spot for beating him to a pulp.
Kirkman did a poor job of it then, as it puts forth a warped perspective of the Guardians.
At this point, I'm going to first wait for this and the LS calculation to be accepted
I mean, the site already treats TV Rex Splode as around viltrumite level with equipment precisely because of beating Octoboss
I'd rather that be discussed right away
