Insect Brackets Round 1: Asian Giant Hornet vs Praying Mantis

[Aguywhodoesthings]

First round of the Real World Insect Brackets starts now
Battle starts on top of a tree branch and the insects start 1 meter away from each other
Murder Hornet: 1
Praying Mantis:
Inconclusive: 7

 

[FinePoint]

Murder Hornet wins.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

The mantis was clearly not trying to fight the hornet in the video tho
but i guess i'll count that

 

[FinePoint]

The mantis was clearly not trying to fight the hornet in the video tho
but i guess i'll count that

It was struggling at first, but their poison is very potent.
The hornet is also physically stronger, I think.
It also has way more impressive piercing capability with its stinger.

The video is proof, but I think even without it I would definitely vote the hornet here.

 

[Daddybrawl]

Hm. How well does the Hornets Pain work on other Insects? I’m not familiar- oh wait, it kills people in a couple of stings, if he gets that off the Mantis is probably dead lol

Murder Hornet wins.

That video’s apparently on the profile to justify its AP, so…. Go Hornet?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The mantis was clearly not trying to fight the hornet in the video tho
but i guess i'll count that

The Mantis was defending itself though. The Asian Giant Hornet is just extremely aggressive

 

[Daddybrawl]

The Mantis was defending itself though. The Asian Giant Hornet is just extremely aggressive

That was Defending Itself? It looked like it was just sitting there lol.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Hm. How well does the Hornets Pain work on other Insects? I’m not familiar- oh wait, it kills people in a couple of stings, if he gets that off the Mantis is probably dead lol


That video’s apparently on the profile to justify its AP, so…. Go Hornet?

vote counted i guess

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I guess Hornet FRA

 

[FinePoint]

That was Defending Itself? It looked like it was just sitting there lol.

It was dying rapidly from the poison. It tried to defend itself a bit at the beginning, but it was too weak to stop anything.

 

[Daddybrawl]

It was dying rapidly from the poison. It tried to defend itself a bit at the beginning, but it was too weak to stop anything.

Yikes.
I have to go outside in a bit.

I’m scared now.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Yikes.
I have to go outside in a bit.

I’m scared now.

relax mate you're not a mantis

 

[LordGinSama]

A Hornet absolutely isn't physically stronger. Preying Mantis's are capable of Preying on much larger animals and reptiles. They've been documented in the past snapping the necks of Lizard's, and overpowering much stronger creatures. The only thing the Hornet can do is sting here, but Mantis's prey on other bugs such as Spider's and occasionally Scorpions who utilize their stingers to a much more lethal degree than Hornet's.

The Mantis either takes this or it drops dead after killing the Hornet making it incon.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

First of all, although the video can be used as a wasp point, this battle was put into practice by humans, which means that both insects are stressed during the battle, as well as being in a very tight space, considering that this Lita happens in the central park and most likely it happened in the branches of a tree, where the Praying Mantis would take advantage of the camouflage blending between the leaves, the question is, would the wasp manage to sting the praying mantis after he holds it in his arms?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

First of all, although the video can be used as a wasp point, this battle was put into practice by humans, which means that both insects are stressed during the battle, as well as being in a very tight space, considering that this Lita happens in the central park and most likely it happened in the branches of a tree, where the Praying Mantis would take advantage of the camouflage blending between the leaves, the question is, would the wasp manage to sting the praying mantis after he holds it in his arms?

i was actually planning on making the battle start on a tree branch but removed it, i wonder if i should add that back in

 

[FinePoint]

A Hornet absolutely isn't physically stronger. Preying Mantis's are capable of Preying on much larger animals and reptiles. They've been documented in the past snapping the necks of Lizard's, and overpowering much stronger creatures. The only thing the Hornet can do is sting here, but Mantis's prey on other bugs such as Spider's and occasionally Scorpions who utilize their stingers to a much more lethal degree than Hornet's.

The Mantis either takes this or it drops dead after killing the Hornet making it incon.

The hornet upscales from a smaller hornet which can overpower mice too... the strength difference isn't as big as you probably thing it is either way.
I don't think there's a world where the praying mantis can kill the hornet without getting stung first, at which point it's pretty much an instant loss.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

i was actually planning on making the battle start on a tree branch but removed it, i wonder if i should add that back in

considering the size of both, it would be hard to tell where in central park the fight would be, so better specify that

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

considering the size of both, it would be hard to tell where in central park the fight would be, so better specify that

incon because both would get accidentally squashed by a walking person

 

[JustANormalLemon]

The hornet upscales from a smaller hornet which can overpower mice too... the strength difference isn't as big as you probably thing it is either way.
I don't think there's a world where the praying mantis can kill the hornet without getting stung first, at which point it's pretty much an instant loss.

if the praying mantis hold her before getting stung maybe

 

[JustANormalLemon]

incon because both would get accidentally squashed by a walking person

Incon, nether can find one another beacuse of the size of the arena

 

[FinePoint]

if the praying mantis hold her before getting stung maybe

I don't think the praying mantis has a way to hold it without it being able to sting him... the wasp is pretty flexible.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

if the praying mantis hold her before getting stung maybe

that's pretty dangerous but there might be a way it could hold the hornet without being stung, it probably depends on the flexibility of the hornet and if the praying mantis is fast enough

 

[LordGinSama]

The hornet upscales from a smaller hornet which can overpower mice too... the strength difference isn't as big as you probably thing it is either way.

I never said it was big, I just said that it has the advantage. Hornets don't overpowe mice, they sting them to death. Mantis's overpower mice with their own strength, same for birds and are even capable of cracking the necks of smaller lizards. The difference isn't huge but it's definitely an advantage nonetheless.

I don't think there's a world where the praying mantis can kill the hornet without getting stung first, at which point it's pretty much an instant loss.

That depends entirely, Mantis's definitely have the eyesight advantage over Hornets and are experts at sudden attacks. The Mantis could simply just grab the Hornet, pin it down and break its neck.


I'm voting incon however.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I don't think the praying mantis has a way to hold it without it being able to sting him... the wasp is pretty flexible.

and... maybe, and I'm not even going to ask if the Vespa would attack or try to run away since they've already said that it's quite aggressive... wouldn't he be able to kill with his arms if he caught her off guard?

 

[FinePoint]

That depends entirely, Mantis's definitely have the eyesight advantage over Hornets and are experts at sudden attacks. The Mantis could simply just grab the Hornet, pin it down and break its neck.

That's a good point... I might change to incon if the situation changes to allow the mantis to camo.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I never said it was big, I just said that it has the advantage. Hornets don't overpowe mice, they sting them to death. Mantis's overpower mice with their own strength, same for birds and are even capable of cracking the necks of smaller lizards. The difference isn't huge but it's definitely an advantage nonetheless.

That depends entirely, Mantis's definitely have the eyesight advantage over Hornets and are experts at sudden attacks. The Mantis could simply just grab the Hornet, pin it down and break its neck.


I'm voting incon however.

I'm kind of starting to agree with you, for now I vote incon to

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

so how would the brackets play out if an incon happens?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

That's a good point... I might change to incon if the situation changes to allow the mantis to camo.

they are in the branches of a tree, the praying mantis is already camouflaged just standing there

 

[FinePoint]

Oh, the situation already changed to a tree branch.
I'll change to incon because the mantis can likely surprise-attack the hornet for the kill, but I think it'll still get stung and die from poison after the hornet is dead.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

so how would the brackets play out if an incon happens?

you can flip a coin or just make the praying mantis go to the wasp not to make the tournament boring

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

you can flip a coin or just make the praying mantis go to the wasp not to make the tournament boring

i think i'll just flip a coin if an incon happens

 

[FinePoint]

so how would the brackets play out if an incon happens?

You could try shuffling the match-ups, so that one of them lose to something else.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

i think i'll just flip a coin if an incon happens

Fair

 

[JustANormalLemon]

You could try shuffling the match-ups, so that one of them lose to something else.

This would be to much work

 

[FinePoint]

I have a feeling that incon will happen a lot with venomous insects like this.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I have a feeling that incon will happen a lot with venomous insects like this.

Yeah probably.
but it's likely gonna only happen with venomous vs non-venomous insects, since with venomous insects the win would most likely go to the one who can land a sting first or who's poison would start taking effect first

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I have a feeling that incon will happen a lot with venomous insects like this.

Probably in poisonous insect vs non-poisonous insect battles, I think the opposite will be more "whoever bites first" as he would be running away from the target while they dies

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Is it okay if I root for the wasp to exit the tournament at the coin flip?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Voting inconclusive, coin flip determines winner.

 

[Shmooply]

Inconclusive I guess?