Infinite Zamasu vs Super Sonic

[ShadowWarrior1999]

"We'll use them to beat that monster."

"And then we can restore the world to the way it was before."

Literally right in front of you.

 

[HST_Master]

"We'll use them to beat that monster."

"And then we can restore it to the way it was before."

Literally right in front of you.

It's not being used in terms of a to-do list. Then is being used as a follow up consequence to the previous action. The previous action being beating the time eater. Context.

 

[Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer]

Is the hypothetical 2-C IZ now acceptable for use in vs threads?

 

[DMB_1]

Is the hypothetical 2-C IZ now acceptable for use in vs threads?

It always was, even if I kind of disagree with that.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Hst master No. You are making an unfounded assumption that beating Time Eater somehow by itself magically undoes the destruction he caused. The events of the game and the statements make it clear that the Sonics are the ones that fixed reality.

 

[HST_Master]

No. I'm going by the path with least assumptions, Occams Razor. It's never shown nor implied that they put the time periods back to their usual spots and it is always treated as a consequence of beating the time eater. To say they somehow did is ignoring the context for the sake of giving Sonic an ability.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

You aren't even using Occam's Razor correctly.

First, the Sonics are blatantly stated to be able to fix space.

>"It is always treated as a consequence of beating the Time Eater."

Ok, what? Time Eater was only beaten once in the final boss fight.

While yes, it isn't directly shown, it is something that can be deduced just by using common sense.

 

[HST_Master]

Ok, what? Time Eater was only beaten once in the final boss fight.

First, the Sonics are blatantly stated to be able to fix space.

Beating Time Eater was required to place the time periods back to their original places. If he wasn't they'd still be in the White Space. The Sonics being able to restore them to their normal state does not in any way move them from the White Space, they're still there until Time Eater is destroyed.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Sonic already has Limited Spatial Manipulation and Reality Warping by restoring the zones with their speed alone. It's not that big of an assumption that the Sonics restored their worlds when that's what they've been doing the entire time throughout Generations anyways.

I haven't followed the argument closely btw, so this could be completely unrelated to what you guys were discussing.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The Generations thing is heavily agreed to be some sort of outlier, as it results in tier 2, infinite bs for base.

 

[ShuraGam]

Er... Super Sonic kinda stomps I think... He magaged to defeat 1/3 of Solaris who vastly outclasses MZ, considering he brought the entire existence to collapse. Kinda wonder how Sonic would be able to damage Infinite Zamasu though since he has no physical body... Well, nothing that BFR with Chaos Control wouldn't solve though.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Cal That's time travelling with his speed alone so it would actually be immeasurable, but I've mentioned before that it would not scale to Sonic's normal speed. It's a similar case to Flash (Wally West) (Post-Crisis) and Superman (Pre-Crisis).

Sonic has another notable feat of returning back to his home dimension in Secret Rings just by running.

@ShuraGam Infinite Zamasu is living space-time. Sonic with his Chaos Control can easily hit him.

 

[Akreious]

S O M E O N E C L O S E P L E A S E

Regardless of AP, regardless of Time Eater or whatever, Sonic Hax Stomps. Zamasu has no TRUE win victory.

 

[GoldenBoyBlue]

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

Uh