Infinite Zamasu affecting space-time

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Stumbled upon this interpretation so I thought I’d get a rebuttal from here

We assume that Infinite Zamasu was fusing with universe’s space-time due to him appearing in the main timeline, but there’s a potential alternative explanation.

When Trunks’ time machine passes through time it leaves a time warp (stated in DBS Ep 50) that allows individuals to create a dark portal and travel to the past. Since Infinite Zamasu’s face noticeably appears out of the same dark portal (with it being compared to the circumstances of Black’s arrival in the timeline, or “it’s like when Goku Black came”), would it be correct to conclude he traveled to the past via a time warp left from the gang’s repeated journeys through time throughout the saga rather than his own power?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

bump

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Zamasu went there without needing to use a timering so he still effecting time, also, did he really appear in the same place? It's not clear but black appeared above that helicopter landing place but I don't think IZ appeared in the same spot.

 

[Vizer04]

Makes sense

 

[Nullflowerblush]

did he really appear in the same place? It's not clear but black appeared above that helicopter landing place but I don't think IZ appeared in the same spot.

Yeah, it's the same place. Zamasu's face was in the same spot that Trunks' Time Machine appeared which is where Goku Black was.

 

[Vizer04]

Zamasu went there without needing to use a timering

How do you know that?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Infinite Zamasu does not have a Time Ring. He lost that when... y'know, Trunks destroyed him.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

How do you know that?

Trunks destroyed zamasu's body and his time ring disappeared along with it.

 

[Darksmash]

Nice find

 

[Hasty12345]

Just another reason tier 2 DB doesn’t make any sense

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This was happening before the activated the time machine, and Zamasu didn't have his time ring anymore after Trunks bisected the physical body.

 

[Darksmash]

To this day I don't understand the correlation between merging with all of time and reaching out to a different timeline or how the latter somehow proves the former

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Overfill a Ice cube mold and see how it spills into other molds...

Same logic.

IZ is just overfilling the timeline untill he decides to spill over into our main timeline

 

[Darksmash]

The Ice cube analogy is extremely arbitrary and doesn't have any relation to this scenario. You can even seep into a different ice mold without completely filling the previous one if the conditions are right(for example through a passage at the bottom of both the molds...which conveniently fits the theme of this thread)

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

for example through a passage at the bottom of both the molds...which conveniently fits

Then your mold must be different, cuz I never heard of such ice molds.

Mine is generic

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Yeah, if he "spilled into other molds" -- the other being the present B -- he would have a much larger presence. But, he was just a face, conveniently in the same location of the rift in time Trunks accidentally created which leads me to believe that rather than overfilling his own mold -- that of the future -- he simply found a crack between the future and present B and slipped through it.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I don't see why this is discussion, zamasu was still effecting time when he was merging with the universe which proves he was low 2-C.

 

[Darksmash]

Then your mold must be different, cuz I never heard of such ice molds.

Mine is generic

We are just talking about hypothetical scenarios here. You brought up a completely arbitrary and unrelated example to use as an analogy and are now applying common sense in context of the same analogy as if it would work for the timeline argument. I am not sure if you are serious. Seriously nothing is stopping me from creating a pipeline at the bottom of two beakers which would allow water to seep into the other one without any need for overflow.

And speaking without any analogies, timelines don't exactly work that way anyway. The temporal axis is different from the 5th axis in which the parallel timelines are embedded. Saying that reaching into the other timeline was caused by some kind of overflow is the same as arguing a point jumping from a line to another was caused by completely encompassing the previous line and overflowing into the next

 

[Ningenron]

Great catch.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Very very interesting indeed. Without this, Zamasu engulfing the entirety of the timeline becomes harder to prove outside Zeno deciding to nuke it, correct?

 

[Kingcrim212]

Bump

 

[Kingcrim212]

I was literally having this same contention. Its the reason how goku black was able to slip through the first time. It was through the time machine trunks used to get to the present. Black stated he used the distortion in time that trunks made with his time machine to travel to the present. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...0789953587/Screenshot_2021-11-02-06-32-18.jpg

 

[Kingcrim212]

This was happening before the activated the time machine, and Zamasu didn't have his time ring anymore after Trunks bisected the physical body.

iirc they used the time machine to go fight goku black again then he fused into fusion zamasu. Then trunks slayed him and he became infinite zamasu. Infinite zamasu was able to travel through the distortion in time and space that was made when they used the time machine to get back to trunks timeline. So infinite zamasu Wasnt doing that by himself. He simply traveled through the distortion

 

[Kingcrim212]

Heres further proof https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867135124537212939/904904857826238524/Whis_space_time.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867135124537212939/905062371410706472/Screenshot_2021-11-02-06-37-55.jpg

 

[Kingcrim212]

I don't see why this is discussion, zamasu was still effecting time when he was merging with the universe which proves he was low 2-C.

There's no proof he was affecting space time. It said he was merging with the universe. That's it.

 

[Kingcrim212]

Very very interesting indeed. Without this, Zamasu engulfing the entirety of the timeline becomes harder to prove outside Zeno deciding to nuke it, correct?

Yes. And something that I think people should take into account is zeno never even nuked that timeline. That's how goku and the others were able to get back to him with the time machine. A time machine can't go back to a fixated point in time that doesn't exist anymore. All zeno stated was a world like this shouldn't exist. Nowhere did he mention time. Even in dub translation he states he will erase all of existence. So he shouldn't even get a low 2-c rating for this.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Yes. And something that I think people should take into account is zeno never even nuked that timeline. That's how goku and the others were able to get back to him with the time machine. A time machine can't go back to a fixated point in time that doesn't exist anymore. All zeno stated was a world like this shouldn't exist. Nowhere did he mention time. Even in dub translation he states he will erase all of existence. So he shouldn't even get a low 2-c rating for this.

Didn't Zeno thing destroyed the Time Ring, tho?

 

[Orange]

Didn't Zeno thing destroyed the Time Ring, tho?

The entire timeline and all of existence [literally stated] was destroyed, and he time ring was destroyed later on

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

The entire timeline and all of existence [literally stated] was destroyed, and he time ring was destroyed later on

Yeah, but even disregarding statements, we are outright shown the timeline got completely destroyed through the time ring.

 

[Orange]

I completely agree. And before someone says "Well if time is destroyed, how can the return to it" it's fiction, also it could just be that their time travel is....that op.

Yeah, but even disregarding statements, we are outright shown the timeline got completely destroyed through the time ring.