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The Ice King CRT (Fortnite).

PurposeDevine00

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- As you read from the title, I will be attempting to prove why The Ice King should get upgraded. I propose that he should be upgraded to [2-A] in terms of Attack Potency and Durability and I also think he should get the Infinite Speed Rating. This is also my first post, please forgive me if I do something wrong.

- Some other profiles that may be affected by this change includes but is not limited to: The Foundation (Battled The Ice King), The Devourer (Battled The Ice King) and Mecha Team Leader (Battled The Devourer).





Starting with Speed​

Definition:
"Infinite Speed (Able to travel any finite distance in zero time, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below)."
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Scans for Infinite Reality: Reality is Infinite and Vast Emptiness with an Eternity of Stars.

What's already established: As stated in the Fortnite Cosmology Page, Realities are already established to be Infinite in size.
"The Multiverse: 2-A, due to infinite dimensions being consistently referred as being whole universes, with said universes being similar to each other with also stated that there infinite star and living beings in all dimensions.
The Reality: At least 2-A, as it's an infinite-sized universal contains the Multiverse as an infinitesimal part of itself."
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The Ice King Speed: As stated here, The Ice King was able to bring his Ice Moon to Reality Zero from another unknown Reality in an unknown amount of time. This should grant him Infinite Speed as he would've had to traverse an Infinite Distance in x amount of time (x is finite).






The Ice King Attack Potency/Durability: In the same scan, he states that him and his allies once traveled the Omniverse collecting items or entities of Power they deemed too dangerous to exist. One of those entities was The Devourer who The Ice King states threatened the Zero Point itself. The Paradigm and The Imagined Order also state and confirm the same thing about The Devourer. Keep in mind they are all very knowledgeable about The Zero Point and the Omniverse. Prior to bringing his Ice Moon to Reality Zero, The Ice King battled and defeated his comrade (The Prisoner), his other knights and all the Items and Beings of Power they collected across the Omniverse by freezing them all.

This should upgrade The Ice King's Attack Potency to Multiverse Level+ [2-A] because keep in mind, he defeated his comrade and knights who had Items that Could Alter Realities to their liking. Along with that, he also managed to defeat and freeze The Devourer who as I mentioned earlier, Threatened to Consume and Destroy the Zero Point itself. This should also apply to his Durability as his body can physically withstand his own Ice.





Conclusion/Proposal​

Speed - The Ice King should get the Infinite Speed Rating for traversing an Infinite, Distance with his Ice Moon.

Attack Potency/Durability - The Ice King should have his Attack Potency and Durability upgraded to Multiverse Level+ [2-A] for being able to battle and defeat characters with Reality Altering Items of power as well as a Being capable of Threatening to Consume and Destroy the Zero Point itself.

Additional: Mecha Team Leader and The Devourer fight. As mentioned already, The Ice King can beat The Devourer. The Foundation's experience with the Zero Point. The Ice King and The Foundation brawl it out.




Agree: Vesxpura (1), Mbpoops (2), Ultimate-Rex1 (Agrees with likely [2-A] Attack Potency/Durability and Possibly Infinite Speed) (3), Thanganimator (Agrees with Possibly Infinite Speed) (4), Rgerdeena (Disagrees with true [2-A] Attack Potency only) (5), Rex_Eckles (Disagrees with Infinite Speed only) (6), Natsuki012 (Agrees with [2-A] Attack Potency/Durability and Possibly Infinite Speed) (7)


Disagree: Youngwolf-0.1 (Disagrees with Infinite Speed) (1), Vietthai96 (Disagrees with Infinite Speed) (2), ItsMeat (Disagrees with Infinite Speed) (3), SomebodyData (Disagrees with Infinite Speed) (4) Mr. Bambu


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I disagree with the crt.

For Infinite Speed, I do not think moving the Ice Moon from another reality is enough on its own. Even if realities are accepted as infinite in size, the scan does not establish where Ice King started from, how much distance was actually crossed, or whether this was done through raw movement rather than some form of portal/reality transfer. Inter-reality travel alone is not sufficient for Infinite Speed.

For 2-A AP/Durability, I also think the scaling jump is too large from the evidence shown. “Threatening the Zero Point” does not automatically equate to full 2-A AP without clearer context on the level of destruction involved. Likewise, collecting or fighting beings with reality-altering items does not necessarily mean scaling physically to the full output of those items unless that is directly demonstrated.
 
You need evidence that the "move" here is actually a physical movement from somewhere to the end of the infinite multiverse, move something from another reality is at best dimensional travel, probably portal creation in case a portal was created to move stuff

So yeah, at best this is dimensional travel
 
Youngwolf-0.1 said:
I disagree with the crt.

For Infinite Speed, I do not think moving the Ice Moon from another reality is enough on its own. Even if realities are accepted as infinite in size, the scan does not establish where Ice King started from, how much distance was actually crossed, or whether this was done through raw movement rather than some form of portal/reality transfer. Inter-reality travel alone is not sufficient for Infinite Speed.

For 2-A AP/Durability, I also think the scaling jump is too large from the evidence shown. “Threatening the Zero Point” does not automatically equate to full 2-A AP without clearer context on the level of destruction involved. Likewise, collecting or fighting beings with reality-altering items does not necessarily mean scaling physically to the full output of those items unless that is directly demonstrated.
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Hi Youngwolf, thank you for your reply. As you mentioned, you do not think moving the Ice Moon from another reality is enough evidence on its own since the scan does not establish where Ice King started from, how much distance he actually covered or whether he did it through raw movement rather than a portal/reality transfer. I understand your skepticism and I apologize because I did forget to include those useful extra details.

1. As you can probably tell by his name, The Ice King's power is over Ice and Snow. This is stated multiple times throughout the game. He can create and control ice, freeze entities, create snowstorms and so on. The point I am trying to make is that his set of abilities is basically Cryokinesis. That should eliminate the idea that he did it through some sort of portal/reality transfer ability of his own. He has also never demonstrated anything like that throughout the lore.

2. It is established throughout the lore that the two primary ways of traveling to and from Realities are through Pure Portals and Sideways Rifts. The Imagined Order and The foundation both prove this to be the case. In Batman/Fortnite: Foundation (2021-) #1, The Foundation tells Batman that a Pure Portal originates from the Zero Point itself which remains linked to All Realities. He then tells Batman that a Sideways Rift between two different Realities is far more difficult to open and that they have to heal naturally which takes time or be closed from both sides at once. To summarize, these are things The Ice King doesn't have access to nor has he demonstrated using them at all throughout the lore.

3. Apart from those two mentioned ways, the other demonstrated way to travel to and from different Realities is by traversing them and the Void both of which are Infinite as mentioned before. This is demonstrated in Chapter 2 Season 7 by The Last Reality's mothership which is explicitly shown traversing and entering Reality Zero. And at that point of time, It couldn't have been through any usage of the Zero Point as it was being shielded and healed inside The Spire by The Foundation.

Now to address where The Ice King might've started started his journey and how much distance he actually covered, we must refer back to the earlier scan because if you look at the wording he uses, its clear that he started his journey in a different Reality beyond Reality Zero. He says he brought his Ice Moon to Reality Zero as he believed it was isolated and safe. The wording makes it clear that he traversed multiple Realities to get to Reality Zero which he believed was a safe and isolated one.

To summarize all this: The Ice King must have traversed the Infinite Reality and Void with his Ice Moon as he does not have access to the established methods of teleportation across The Omniverse. It is also demonstrated that it is indeed not impossible/out of touch to do such a thing as explicitly shown in Chapter 2 Season 7 with The Last Reality's mothership.





Now, to address the AP/Durability part of your reply, I would first like to point out that the "threatening the Zero Point” part is not the full extent of what I used to justify the [2-A] Attack Potency. That was simply just a measure of what to expect from such a Being. The scale of destruction is The Omniverse, the Zero Point itself. Remember, The Devourer wasn't just vaguely "threatening The Zero Point", he was going to consume and destroy it. Destroying the Zero Point itself would be The literal, End of All; that has been a very-very well established theme throughout the entirety of the lore. This is also the reason why Galactus is rated as:
Possibly Multiverse level+ (Was believed to be a threat to all of existence, in which infinite universes have been described).
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I do see your point on that second that of your reply about the Reality Altering items. Though there is no direct physical demonstration with those items, we can take The Devourer as a High Baseline for those items of power to get an idea of where they could scale. Keep in mind his former allies had these Items of Power yet they were all defeated and frozen by The Ice King himself and he himself (very-very trust worthy) states the power those items hold. That level of power is only ever notably seen with The Zero Point itself (or its shards) which is a:
Primal Creation, the most dangerous force in The omniverse — the source of all cosmic creation. Zero Point Energy is a Conceptual (Type 1) energy that exists before The Omniverse.
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To summarize all this: going to consume and destroy The Zero point itself is a threat to The Omniverse which is The Devourer himself. Given that The Ice King defeated and froze him, he should indeed get the Multiverse+ LeveL [2-A] Rating. Add the fact that The Ice King has been defeating and collecting these Beings and Items of a similar threat for some time, it becomes even more believable and easier to digest than you might first think.
 
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Vietthai96 said:
You need evidence that the "move" here is actually a physical movement from somewhere to the end of the infinite multiverse, move something from another reality is at best dimensional travel, probably portal creation in case a portal was created to move stuff

So yeah, at best this is dimensional travel
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I understand. Could you take a look at my reply to @Youngwolf-0.1 , you had a similar idea there and I think I addressed it.
 
PurposeDevine00 said:
Hi Youngwolf, thank you for your reply. As you mentioned, you do not think moving the Ice Moon from another reality is enough evidence on its own since the scan does not establish where Ice King started from, how much distance he actually covered or whether he did it through raw movement rather than a portal/reality transfer. I understand your skepticism and I apologize because I did forget to include those useful extra details.

1. As you can probably tell by his name, The Ice King's power is over Ice and Snow. This is stated multiple times throughout the game. He can create and control ice, freeze entities, create snowstorms and so on. The point I am trying to make is that his set of abilities is basically Cryokinesis. That should eliminate the idea that he did it through some sort of portal/reality transfer ability of his own. He has also never demonstrated anything like that throughout the lore.

2. It is established throughout the lore that the two primary ways of traveling to and from Realities are through Pure Portals and Sideways Rifts. The Imagined Order and The foundation both prove this to be the case. In Batman/Fortnite: Foundation (2021-) #1, The Foundation tells Batman that a Pure Portal originates from the Zero Point itself which remains linked to All Realities. He then tells Batman that a Sideways Rift between two different Realities is far more difficult to open and that they have to heal naturally which takes time or be closed from both sides at once. To summarize, these are things The Ice King doesn't have access to nor has he demonstrated using them at all throughout the lore.

3. Apart from those two mentioned ways, the other demonstrated way to travel to and from different Realities is by traversing them and the Void both of which are Infinite as mentioned before. This is demonstrated in Chapter 2 Season 7 by The Last Reality's mothership which is explicitly shown traversing and entering Reality Zero. And at that point of time, It couldn't have been through any usage of the Zero Point as it was being shielded and healed inside The Spire by The Foundation.

Now to address where The Ice King might've started started his journey and how much distance he actually covered, we must refer back to the earlier scan because if you look at the wording he uses, its clear that he started his journey in a different Reality beyond Reality Zero. He says he brought his Ice Moon to Reality Zero as he believed it was isolated and safe. The wording makes it clear that he traversed multiple Realities to get to Reality Zero which he believed was a safe and isolated one.

To summarize all this: The Ice King must have traversed the Infinite Reality and Void with his Ice Moon as he does not have access to the established methods of teleportation across The Omniverse. It is also demonstrated that it is indeed not impossible/out of touch to do such a thing as explicitly shown in Chapter 2 Season 7 with The Last Reality's mothership.
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Mmmm No, explaining that Ice King’s abilities are consistently cryokinesis-based and that Fortnite has specific established inter-reality travel methods he does not appear to possess does make “he probably did not portal there himself” more reasonable. The mothership example also helps establish that traversing realities physically is possible in-setting.

My remaining issue is the Infinite Speed conclusion itself. Even if the realities and the Void are infinite in size, that alone does not necessarily mean Ice King crossed an infinite distance. Coming from another reality proves interdimensional travel, but not automatically traversing the full infinite spatial extent of that reality or the Void.

Likewise, the “isolated reality” wording supports that he arrived from elsewhere, but I do not think it clearly establishes manual travel across multiple infinite realms.

Just like vietthai said this is just dimensional travel.
 
Youngwolf-0.1 said:
Mmmm No, explaining that Ice King’s abilities are consistently cryokinesis-based and that Fortnite has specific established inter-reality travel methods he does not appear to possess does make “he probably did not portal there himself” more reasonable. The mothership example also helps establish that traversing realities physically is possible in-setting.

My remaining issue is the Infinite Speed conclusion itself. Even if the realities and the Void are infinite in size, that alone does not necessarily mean Ice King crossed an infinite distance. Coming from another reality proves interdimensional travel, but not automatically traversing the full infinite spatial extent of that reality or the Void.

Likewise, the “isolated reality” wording supports that he arrived from elsewhere, but I do not think it clearly establishes manual travel across multiple infinite realms.

Just like vietthai said this is just dimensional travel.
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Alright, Dimensional travel is defined as:
The ability to move through alternate universes (or "dimensions"), crossing over across different planes of existence to reach other, far-off locations. This is rarely an ability on its own, often being achieved through other means such as Teleportation used to teleport into other universes, and Portal Creation used to open doorways into these universes.
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As we've already established, The Ice King's case has nothing to do with teleportation or portal creation but most importantly, it is not even an ability. This is just pure physical navigation of said spaces. This scenario does not demonstrate Dimensional Travel as if you look at the example characters given in the Dimensional Travel page, they all rely on some sort of teleportation or portal creation to do such things.

Also, why does coming from another reality not automatically prove traversing the full infinite spatial extent of that reality or the Void? As I've already mentioned, the Realities, Universes or Void are all already accepted as Infinite. I don't see any other conclusion that would make more sense than that The Ice King did indeed traverse the full Infinite Spatial extent of said Realities or The Void. Can a character even traverse "half" that distance and not get Infinite Speed? What would that even look like?

Keep in mind, he's doing this on an Omniversal scale so not just between individual Realities but across the Omniverse itself. I personally think this is more than enough sufficient evidence to grant him the Infinite Speed Rating. Add the fact that the Last Reality has also demonstrated it as well (the Last Reality's whole goal is going around the Omniverse itself and wiping everything out including the Realities and such). It can't get anymore clear than that.
 
i think the speed is fine ngl

the 2-A scaling im a bit iffy on. the Items could just be reality manip hax not anything AP wise and the devourer never actually ate or damaged the zero point (to my memory i dont remember it damaging the zero point in the event) but maybe you can get a possibly from it threatening it?
 
Mbpoops said:
i think the speed is fine ngl

the 2-A scaling im a bit iffy on. the Items could just be reality manip hax not anything AP wise and the devourer never actually ate or damaged the zero point (to my memory i dont remember it damaging the zero point in the event) but maybe you can get a possibly from it threatening it?
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First, to address The Devourer part, the reason he didn't successfully consume and destroy the Zero Point was because of Mecha Team Leader. Had the Mech been a minute late, he would've consumed and destroyed the Zero Point. If you meant how reliable of a threat he is from that statement, then I would like to state again that this is confirmed multiple times by The Ice King himself, The Imagined Order, The Seven and Donald Masturd (former Chief Creative Officer at Epic Games, creator of the Zero Point and its related lore) himself. These are the most established and reliable sources on this topic.

Regarding the Reality Altering Items, I would like to say that the reason The Ice King and his allies went after them was because they were dangerous and a threat to the Omniverse in the first place. What hax could be involved shouldn't really matter as their expected level of power and danger is on an Omniversal scale already. The Devourer is a good high baseline to use to picture it. Basically what I'm trying to say is that even though there are hax involved with the items, that wouln't change their power or the danger they pose to the Omniverse. And the wording used strongly implies that if they could be used to alter realities to the users liking, then they could certainly be used to destroy as well. Remember, this level and scale of power to alter realities to any extent is only ever seen with the Zero Point (and its shards) which is: Primal Creation, the most dangerous force in The omniverse — the source of all cosmic creation. Zero Point Energy is a Conceptual (Type 1) energy and that same power can also be used to alter and destroy.
 
PurposeDevine00 said:
First, to address The Devourer part, the reason he didn't successfully consume and destroy the Zero Point was because of Mecha Team Leader. Had the Mech been a minute late, he would've consumed and destroyed the Zero Point. If you meant how reliable of a threat he is from that statement, then I would like to state again that this is confirmed multiple times by The Ice King himself, The Imagined Order, The Seven and Donald Masturd (former Chief Creative Officer at Epic Games, creator of the Zero Point and its related lore) himself. These are the most established and reliable sources on this topic.

Regarding the Reality Altering Items, I would like to say that the reason The Ice King and his allies went after them was because they were dangerous and a threat to the Omniverse in the first place. What hax could be involved shouldn't really matter as their expected level of power and danger is on an Omniversal scale already. The Devourer is a good high baseline to use to picture it. Basically what I'm trying to say is that even though there are hax involved with the items, that wouln't change their power or the danger they pose to the Omniverse. And the wording used strongly implies that if they could be used to alter realities to the users liking, then they could certainly be used to destroy as well. Remember, this level and scale of power to alter realities to any extent is only ever seen with the Zero Point (and its shards) which is: Primal Creation, the most dangerous force in The omniverse — the source of all cosmic creation. Zero Point Energy is a Conceptual (Type 1) energy and that same power can also be used to alter and destroy.
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hmm i guess this is fine then the cm1 part doesnt really matter imo but i guess this is fine IMO.
 
Minaaaa said:
Probably should've waited for the current season to end since we have an upcoming live event focusing on him
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Yeah, you are right, I forgot about that. Also, if you don't mind me asking, may I count your vote as Agree, Disagree or Neutral?
 
I’m apparently popular now since a new member asked me to comment on their thread

Anyways take what I say with a grain of salt because I know nothing about the verse, for infinite speed I think possibly infinite would make the most sense, since it could’ve been done via dimensional travel or via infinite speed and there doesn’t seem to be anything else implying that they have either so both possibilities are equally likely and as far as I’m aware we don’t have any rules about what’s the default assumption in this scenario, for 2-A it seems fine for galactus since you generally can’t threaten something if you’re infinitely weaker then it but ice king seems to just be beating galactus via Hax so I don’t think they should scale
 
So:
  • 2-A: I'm fine with solid or likely 2-A for The Devourer, but The Ice King should only scale to it via Ice Manipulation due to the following:
    • We don't really see direct fighting between them, but it can be seen that The Devourer was frozen in ice, so it looks like 2-A would be limited to his Ice Manipulation.
    • Withstanding his own extreme cold and ice isn't durability; it's just resistance to extreme cold, unless you think characters like Spider-Man could be 2-A just because they can survive the Ice Moon environment.
  • I agree with possibly infinite speed since we don't know how he did it, but it was possibly through physical travel.
 
I'm inclined to disagree on the speed thing, but what separates dimensions from one another? As said above, if they are indeed separate dimensions, dimensional travel will be required either way, so it may not be a matter of going from point A to point B within a single dimension.

For the Devourer thing, as long as it's clear he's destroying the entire cosmology and not just a planet at a time, I'm fine with it. Probably something like "with ice manipulation" or something if it's unclear how the fight went.
 
Rgerdeena said:
I’m apparently popular now since a new member asked me to comment on their thread

Anyways take what I say with a grain of salt because I know nothing about the verse, for infinite speed I think possibly infinite would make the most sense, since it could’ve been done via dimensional travel or via infinite speed and there doesn’t seem to be anything else implying that they have either so both possibilities are equally likely and as far as I’m aware we don’t have any rules about what’s the default assumption in this scenario, for 2-A it seems fine for galactus since you generally can’t threaten something if you’re infinitely weaker then it but ice king seems to just be beating galactus via Hax so I don’t think they should scale
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Thanks for commenting again. I just want to quickly point out that probability that The Ice King did it via dimensional travel is close to, if not zero.
2. It is established throughout the lore that the two primary ways of traveling to and from Realities are through Pure Portals and Sideways Rifts. The Imagined Order and The foundation both prove this to be the case. In Batman/Fortnite: Foundation (2021-) #1, The Foundation tells Batman that a Pure Portal originates from the Zero Point itself which remains linked to All Realities. He then tells Batman that a Sideways Rift between two different Realities is far more difficult to open and that they have to heal naturally which takes time or be closed from both sides at once. To summarize, these are things The Ice King doesn't have access to nor has he demonstrated using them at all throughout the lore.

3. Apart from those two mentioned ways, the other demonstrated way to travel to and from different Realities is by traversing them and the Void both of which are Infinite as mentioned before. This is demonstrated in Chapter 2 Season 7 by The Last Reality's mothership which is explicitly shown traversing and entering Reality Zero. And at that point of time, It couldn't have been through any usage of the Zero Point as it was being shielded and healed inside The Spire by The Foundation.
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Because of that, the probability is not 50-50. In-setting, the most likely and well supported conclusion would be traversing said spaces via the evidence and reasons given above. Its all about connecting what we have and piecing it all up. Here's an analogy: Imagine you’re standing in a hot desert region, somewhere in Sudan like Khartoum . You wake up and the ground is wet across a wide area. You also know there’s been a recent weather change, but you didn’t see it happen. You wouldn't need to be told exactly what occurred to make a reasonable conclusion. Some explanations (eg: snow) don’t even need serious consideration because they don’t fit the environment or scenario at all. The most plausible cause you can narrow it down to is rain. The point is that given the conditions and the evidence, rain is the only explanation that reasonably fits without adding unnecessary or false assumptions. In this case, physical navigation is rain and snow is Pure Portals and Sideways Rifts (Dimensional Travel). The Possibly Rating implies a 50/50 or that the justification is vague or non-definitive which is clearly not the case here. To summarize: we are given enough evidence to logically conclude without unnecessary assumptions that he did it via physically navigating said spaces and not through some means of Dimensional Travel (eg: teleportation/portal creation).

For the Attack Potency part, he scales to his abilities as he explicitly states that he used it on himself in order to be a part of his own collection. The environment is so severe that it could even break The Seven's armor. The Seven's armor can withstand an Unstable Zero Point as well as a direct implosion from it. Given all of this, he should indeed physically scale to his abilities.
 
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
So:
  • 2-A: I'm fine with solid or likely 2-A for The Devourer, but The Ice King should only scale to it via Ice Manipulation due to the following:
    • We don't really see direct fighting between them, but it can be seen that The Devourer was frozen in ice, so it looks like 2-A would be limited to his Ice Manipulation.
    • Withstanding his own extreme cold and ice isn't durability; it's just resistance to extreme cold, unless you think characters like Spider-Man could be 2-A just because they can survive the Ice Moon environment.
  • I agree with possibly infinite speed since we don't know how he did it, but it was possibly through physical travel.
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You bring up good points Rex. First I would like to say that he used his ability on himself in order to be a part of his own collection; it is not a resistance thing. Second, the environment is so severe that it could even break The Seven's armor. The Seven's armor can withstand the Unstable Zero Point and a direct implosion from it. These are things I recently told Rgerdeena so I apologize for being repetitive.

Now, regarding Spiderman, the only reason he and everyone else are alive is because Storm and Thor used their weather manipulation abilities to significantly reduce the effects of Ice Moon environment. It is repeatedly stated throughout the issues that they wouldn't survive the Ice Moon as it was. To summarize: The Ice King has repeatedly shown to be able to physically withstand his own abilities and should thus physically scale to them. A bit of a side note but The Ice King is not hax dependent as you might first think, his fighting style involves conventional means like punching and such. He goes to freeze his foes after getting good licks in and because it is his whole goal to collect such items and beings. Its a moral side of things that he chooses not to kill his foes given he is not really a villain to begin with. If he had a different goal or view of things, he would certainly do it as he is more than capable of.

About the Speed, please read my reply to Rgerdeena:
Because of that, the probability is not 50-50. In-setting, the most likely and well supported conclusion would be traversing said spaces via the evidence and reasons given above. Its all about connecting what we have and piecing it all up. Here's an analogy: Imagine you’re standing in a hot desert region, somewhere in Sudan like Khartoum . You wake up and the ground is wet across a wide area. You also know there’s been a recent weather change, but you didn’t see it happen. You wouldn't need to be told exactly what occurred to make a reasonable conclusion. Some explanations (eg: snow) don’t even need serious consideration because they don’t fit the environment or scenario at all. The most plausible cause you can narrow it down to is rain. The point is that given the conditions and the evidence, rain is the only explanation that reasonably fits without adding unnecessary or false assumptions. In this case, physical navigation is rain and snow is Pure Portals and Sideways Rifts (Dimensional Travel). The Possibly Rating implies a 50/50 or that the justification is vague or non-definitive which is clearly not the case here. To summarize: we are given enough evidence to logically conclude without unnecessary assumptions that he did it via physically navigating said spaces and not through some means of Dimensional Travel (eg: teleportation/portal creation).
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Rex_Eckles said:
I'm inclined to disagree on the speed thing, but what separates dimensions from one another? As said above, if they are indeed separate dimensions, dimensional travel will be required either way, so it may not be a matter of going from point A to point B within a single dimension.

For the Devourer thing, as long as it's clear he's destroying the entire cosmology and not just a planet at a time, I'm fine with it. Probably something like "with ice manipulation" or something if it's unclear how the fight went.
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Vote is counted.

Also, please take a look at Rex’s message, he answered one of your questions.
 
PurposeDevine00 said:
The Ice King was able to bring his Ice Moon to Reality Zero from another unknown Reality in an unknown amount of time. This should grant him Infinite Speed as he would've had to traverse an Infinite Distance in x amount of time (x is finite).
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This has no reason to scale to combat and reactions, nor attack speed or anything. It also doesn't specify the means but for all we know he could have used a device to teleport it.
PurposeDevine00 said:
The Ice King Attack Potency/Durability: In the same scan, he states that him and his allies once traveled the Omniverse collecting items or entities of Power they deemed too dangerous to exist. One of those entities was The Devourer who The Ice King states threatened the Zero Point itself. The Paradigm and The Imagined Order also state and confirm the same thing about The Devourer. Keep in mind they are all very knowledgeable about The Zero Point and the Omniverse. Prior to bringing his Ice Moon to Reality Zero, The Ice King battled and defeated his comrade (The Prisoner), his other knights and all the Items and Beings of Power they collected across the Omniverse by freezing them all.

This should upgrade The Ice King's Attack Potency to Multiverse Level+ [2-A] because keep in mind, he defeated his comrade and knights who had Items that Could Alter Realities to their liking. Along with that, he also managed to defeat and freeze The Devourer who as I mentioned earlier, threatened to consume and destroy the Zero Point itself. This should also apply to his Durability as his body can physically withstand his own extreme cold and ice
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None of this proves he physically scales to 2-A and withstanding his own cold isn't worth anything at all at best he gets resistance to cold up to the point of freezing temperatures. Fortnite also doesn't have any definable UES so he has no reason to outright physically scale to his ice creations anyways.

When it comes to the 2-A shit the scan itself literally says that he did not defeat the Devourer himself, he explicitly says he didn't so your point there makes no sense. The other dudes having technology that can alter realities does not prove that they themself physically scale to whatever technology they are using and on that point none of this its combat applicable technology able to strike with someone with that level of Potency, even one of fights we see is just a hand 2 hand battle with some ice powers thrown in.


Count me as disagree since all of this ignores context or statments made in the scans themself, or the evidence provided has statements that are also too vague to be directly applicable to anything
 
Dalesean027 said:
This has no reason to scale to combat and reactions, nor attack speed or anything. It also doesn't specify the means but for all we know he could have used a device to teleport it.

None of this proves he physically scales to 2-A and withstanding his own cold isn't worth anything at all at best he gets resistance to cold up to the point of freezing temperatures. Fortnite also doesn't have any definable UES so he has no reason to outright physically scale to his ice creations anyways.

When it comes to the 2-A shit the scan itself literally says that he did not defeat the Devourer himself, he explicitly says he didn't so your point there makes no sense. The other dudes having technology that can alter realities does not prove that they themself physically scale to whatever technology they are using and on that point none of this its combat applicable technology able to strike with someone with that level of Potency, even one of fights we see is just a hand 2 hand battle with some ice powers thrown in.


Count me as disagree since all of this ignores context or statments made in the scans themself, or the evidence provided has statements that are also too vague to be directly applicable to anything
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I agree by the looks of it
 
Dalesean027 said:
None of this proves he physically scales to 2-A and withstanding his own cold isn't worth anything at all at best he gets resistance to cold up to the point of freezing temperatures. Fortnite also doesn't have any definable UES so he has no reason to outright physically scale to his ice creations anyways.

When it comes to the 2-A shit the scan itself literally says that he did not defeat the Devourer himself, he explicitly says he didn't so your point there makes no sense. The other dudes having technology that can alter realities does not prove that they themself physically scale to whatever technology they are using and on that point none of this its combat applicable technology able to strike with someone with that level of Potency, even one of fights we see is just a hand 2 hand battle with some ice powers thrown in.
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I agree with not scales to physically but he scales to the Devourer via Ice Manipulation, but:
Noted: Every creature that was frozen in the Ice King's Castle was one of those stated to be too dangerous to exist.
 
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ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Since we don't know how the speed feat was achieved, it can't really be categorized. As for the 2-A stuff, you would need more evidence that when they fought, it was using those items of power.
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What about this? The Devourer stated that he would destroy and absorb the Zero Point, and he was also stated to be a threat to it.
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
I agree with not scales to physically but he scales to the Devourer via Ice Manipulation, but:
Noted: Every creature that was frozen in the Ice King's Castle was one of those stated to be too dangerous to exist.
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