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Leaving aside the shit title - and nobody change that, smh - we need to have a serious fricking conversation about infinite sized Marvel and DC verses.
Did you know, we have countless statements where the universe is said to be infinite, not just by ordinary nobodies, but people who know the cosmos like the back of their hand? And we have, roughly around 4 or 5 statements about a finite size of the universe - and some of which come from... well, not super-geniuses for sure?
DC: some Infinite universe statements:
Right now, we base 100 Trillion based on this " Strange Zeta Beams Superman: The Man of Steel (1991) #115. Literally, nothing indicates that this universe is 100 trillion years. And this statement from Supes is kinda worthless too. Does Superman know the true limits of the universe? No. His understanding of cosmos and shit isn't this good to base everything on this. Or on Adam Strange for that matter.
In any case, this is an open discussion regarding the size of DC universes.
Now, if this gets accepted;
Edit; since some people are having issues with this, let me clarify for the last time; NO, it DOESN'T mean heralds get infinite speed or high 3A AP. Unless they have consistent feats or statements that are meant to be on this level and doesn't cause scaling issues.
Note: Unless you have a great deal of knowledge about the verses, or have constructive argument/evidence to provide to the thread at hand, please refrain from commenting.
Did you know, we have countless statements where the universe is said to be infinite, not just by ordinary nobodies, but people who know the cosmos like the back of their hand? And we have, roughly around 4 or 5 statements about a finite size of the universe - and some of which come from... well, not super-geniuses for sure?
DC: some Infinite universe statements:
- Cyborg Supes - Superman 1987 #78
- Orion - a literal God - The New Gods 1989 18
- Kal's parents (?) - SUPERMAN: THE LAST GOD OF KRYPTON
- Narrator - Justice League (2018) Annual #1
- A GL becomes one with uni and says this - The Green Lantern Corps #219
- Narration - Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #1
- Trigon - The New Teen Titans Vol 2 #5
- Hfuhruhurr - someone who travelled the vast cosmos -The Adventures of Superman Vol 1 #452
Right now, we base 100 Trillion based on this " Strange Zeta Beams Superman: The Man of Steel (1991) #115. Literally, nothing indicates that this universe is 100 trillion years. And this statement from Supes is kinda worthless too. Does Superman know the true limits of the universe? No. His understanding of cosmos and shit isn't this good to base everything on this. Or on Adam Strange for that matter.
In any case, this is an open discussion regarding the size of DC universes.
Now, if this gets accepted;
- Universe crossing - from characters with consistent feats - becomes infinite speed.
- Absorbing the universe in a short period of time becomes infinite speed - Nekron for example.
- Destroying the universe - physical - becomes high 3-a instead of 3A
Edit; since some people are having issues with this, let me clarify for the last time; NO, it DOESN'T mean heralds get infinite speed or high 3A AP. Unless they have consistent feats or statements that are meant to be on this level and doesn't cause scaling issues.
Note: Unless you have a great deal of knowledge about the verses, or have constructive argument/evidence to provide to the thread at hand, please refrain from commenting.
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