Infinite Downgrade

[ZephyrosOmega]

Infinite is rated as Large Planet for being stronger than Omega, Sonic, and Shadow. But that doesn't seem... accurate?

His sun was going to "Reduce the world to ashes". I'm not sure if there's a calc for that, but if there is, it's not on his page, and I think that would still just be "5-A with his Sun". After that, it's just stomping Sonic, Silver, and Omega, but again, that's a bunch of Planet Level peeps. 600 zettatons is impressive, but I don't think kicking their butts is enough to justify a whole tier jump.

I propose it's changed to either:

At least 5-B

At least 5-B, likely 5-A

or, if there IS a 5-A calc for the sun:

At least 5-B, 5-A with his sun.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

The calc Sonic scales to was updated to 1.4 yottatons. 5-A starts at 2.7 yottatons, less than twice that value.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Pretty sure that you cant jump tiers for a reason like that, at best that would get an "at least" and a "far higher". Characters with better chain scaling filled with one shots still don't get a higher tier for the same reason.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Evil Cole was once 7-A from a scaling chain that started near the bottom of 7-B. I don't see anything wrong with 5-A Infinite.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It's case by case. For example you can't become 2-C by stomping a Low 2-C because the difference between them is unquantifiable but you can quantify the difference between 5-B+ and 5-A.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Again, which isn't allowed. If Cole was at that level when he was 7-A via chain scaling then he shouldn't have been upgraded. Also Shadow you can't compare those to make it seem like upgrades via chain scaling is legit. There's been a thread about this regarding tier jumps via chain scaling, to which I'll link after I find it but it went over this method not being legit when people wanted to upgrade characters with enormous chain scaling and one shots wasn't allowed. Said characters were High 7-A+ with massive chain scalings to bump them to baseline 6-C. ( One Piece, Fairy Tail, AgK ) and was decided that you cant qualify one shots and chain scaling since it varies from fiction to fiction.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I believe tier jumping is allowed if they're high enough into the tier, if Sonic characters were baseline then yeah no way for Infinite to be 5-A, but at their current scale Infinite would only need to be twice as strong to be 5-A. Although I think "At least 5-B, likely 5-A" would be better then straight up 5-A just to be on the safe side (Ganondorf for example has High 7-A, likely 6-C for similar reasons).

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

A 5-B lowball seems unnecessary when Infinite was going to one shot several 5-B+ characters with his sun.

Not only that but Sonic, Shadow, and Metal Sonic are already 5-A with the Light Speed Attack as that move deals double the damage.

 

[Schnee_One]

Evil Cole was once 7-A from a scaling chain that started near the bottom of 7-B. I don't see anything wrong with 5-A Infinite.

This was off a multiplier, so not quite the same case.

 

[fandom_6MudaMudaMudaMudaMuda9]

Vaporizing earth is 5-B,turning it into ashes will be alot lower

 

[Theuser789]

Infinite is 5-A because he already is superior to multiple characters that are already unquantifiable above 1.4 Yottatons, so he ends up upscaling to 5-A via the diference being less than two times, other characters like Mephiles, Neo Metal, etc. are also 5-A via those reasons