Inclusion of Grant Morrison’s pre 2000s works to their post 2000s.

[Xearsay]

The main point of this thread is that I believe Morrison’s pre 2000s work should be included in scaling their post 2000s works.

Morrison as a writer literally has a rep in the comic community for writing stories you can’t truly understand unless you’ve read basically most of their previous stuff. And Morrison has continuously brought up how all their current work plays into everything they’ve ever done going all the way back to Animal which was their first comic run for DC. Linking up all the stuff they’ve done for DC is just something they like to do.

1. Grant Morrison - “And yeah, Final Crisis kind of played into it, and it played out of Final Crisis. But it also plays into everything I've done, even going back to Animal Man. That's just something I like to do - to link up all the stuff I've done for DC.”

Additionally, important themes present throughout Morrison’s work that would function as building blocks for the later stories go missing without including the pre 2000’s.

Example

1. Meta stuff - Morrison’s meta ideas are defined in stories like Animal Man. Without reading Animal Man you wouldn’t really understand the ideas at play in stuff like Final Crisis.
2. Buddhism themes are also missing without reading Doom Patrol. Which is important since the entire Multiversity map and the Overvoid are literally inspired by Buddhism.
3. Bohm’s implicate Order theory, being an inspiration for the whole nested realities thing that Morrison would even mention in a Final Crisis interview.

Also, a lot of how Morrison was applying their themes into the storytelling that would appear in later stories was first being developed in the pre 2000s.

Examples

1. Morrison would start incorporating the ideas from platonism into his works in the pre 2000s in stories like Doom Patrol and Animal Man.
2. The idea of a war in heaven which would appear in Final Crisis, started in Doom Patrol.
3. The Overvoids origin story was also ripped from Doom Patrol.
4. Everything being vibrations which would appear in Multiversity and Final Crisis, was first introduced in Doom Patrol.
5. Fifth world arising from Earth like in Final Crisis was first introduced in JLA(1977)
6. Meta stuff again.

Furthermore, a lot of aspects of the cosmology they invented become misinterpreted and cannot be scaled properly without Morrison’s pre 2000s works.

Examples

1. Comic Book Limbo which is arguably one of the most important structures Morrison’s ever created throughout all their works, cannot be scaled at all without Morrison’s pre 2000s works. Furthermore Limbos identity as the Implicate Order is completely removed if we ignore the pre 2000s works.
2. Wonderworlds scaling doesn’t make any sense if we ignore the pre 2000s works as well.
3. Some structures are also just straight up missing like the Great Light and the World of Morrison’s author avatar.

And the removal of all of this would heavily affect the rest of the entire cosmology.

All in all, it seems pretty blatant that Morrison is the type of writer who builds off what they’ve previously written and requires a reader to start from the beginning to truly understand their current material. Thus, separating Morrison’s post 2000s work from his pre 2000s doesn’t make any sense and will only create misunderstood interpretations and scalings for their work. So overall I think this seems like a pretty obvious thing to impliment as I can’t really think of why anyone would want to separate Morrison’s pre 2000s works from his post 2000s.

 

[Deagonx]

This matter was discussed extensively during the revision project, which only just concluded and we have not even finished implementing it. You made your case for it there, and it was rejected. You cannot make the same argument against immediately afterwards simply because it didn't go your way the first time. As stated in the discussion rules:

When creating content revisions, it is essential to ensure that the topic has not been addressed previously. Rejected content revisions cannot be resubmitted within a short period of time (typically defined as within 3 to 4 months)

And while this may not be a subject you submitted an independent CRT on yourself, it was a matter that you brought up in the cosmology revision staff discussion, where it was decided that his pre-2000 works would not be included in the Snyder/Morrison/Tynion cosmology.

As was explained during the revision project, Morrison may have said that his projects like FC or Multiversity were building upon his past works, but we need no more than our own two eyes to see that this was meant thematically, because the vast majority of the cosmological elements present in stories like Animal Man or JLA are completely and totally absent in his post 2000s works, which are only one portion of a combined cosmology with several authors contributing. It does not follow to scale a character like Perpetua to something like the Implicate Order, which was only touched on briefly in Animal Man and then entirely orphaned outside of that specific comic.

As per the above-quoted discussion rule, this thread will be locked.