"If there is fault with statements or lack of evidence or feats to reasonably back it up, then i know i and others would then be skeptical. We judge statements based on many things, but there are things in Inazuma that can point to the exaggeration of statements such as 'with the power of the big bang'. Shouldn't sacrifice the quality of pages for it, we want them accurate." Dude I already refuted this big bang stop several times during this conversation, and you insist on continuing at this point that doesn't even exist. You are being very partial, to the point of getting a single wrong quote and wanting to GENERALIZE all the techniques, and on top of that I already explained with scan of the game in my previous comment, which was ignored. Also, I didn't say other pages are wrong, I drew a point between saint seiya and inazuma eleven where special abilities have the same context, and if accepting one and not the other that is the same perspective is hypocrisy.
"A character does use a wormhole yes, but on a very, very miniature scale."
A wormhole can be any size, it is an expansion of space and time that connects two points in space. You are confusing it with the calculable Black Hole, unlike the wormhole which is totally variant and incalculable, and one of the most common skills of fiction.
"since Hissatsu's are really just visual effects placed onto a move most of the time."
Okay, so delete all profiles based on visual effects techniques, which are basically ALL. You're just taking what suits you best from the work to make a profile, it's just messing up Akihiro's work with your lack of common sense.
"They even showed with Heaven's Time it wasn't a legit time stop, and rather use of hypnosis." This is only in the anime and air-only exclusivity, which is another timeline and a REBOOT, it does not affect Aphrodi's ability in Inazuma Eleven 1 to Inazuma Eleven Go Galaxy at all.
" I can't prove its wrong nor do i wanna go through the hastle of finding it. But its an english translation. This is the same people who made Fubuki a northerner accent wise, or someone like Tsurugi Russian, and added in common lines from those ares into dialgoue. That at least shows they took a lot of liberties in one part."I thought you wanted to bring legitimate information to profiles, so will we just be based on the assumptions of everything you think about inazuma? If you have a translation, should we listen to what you think instead of bringing you the right material?
"Perhaps the durability to wield planet levelling boots and not die before you can even hope to sum up that amount of power? Every action has equal and opposite reaction." Okay, prove it. After all in the work both in the game and in the anime show them being energized, but where does your argument go into this proving that they could not stand the energy even if they were already holding the Aliea meteorite energy?
"He energized his power (which was a finite source), but what exactly suggests the Aliea rock can equate to that of Planet level?"
Look at the utterance of the topic, the Aliea jewel that made the school attire, the school attire is said to devise the ability to destroy planets precisely because of the energy of the jewelry. Also, it doesn't matter if the jewelry has infinite energy or not. Now someone who has received an energy
FOR EXAMPLE; solar system will not be solar system because it is finite? Obviously not, and as has been shown, even though they spent the energies of the jewelry, they absorbed into their clothing which absorbed the energy into their body.
"Should also be said that the Aliea Rock buffed them specifically, not their clothing"
You are only using anime as your base and true what is wrong because it is just a spin-off. And in the anime itself it's often said it's made of jewelry; dark balls, epsilon uniform, chaos, diamond dust, and etc.
And as I said, anime doesn't matter, the game that is canon.
"Are you saying Desarm has infinite energy, despite the source downright stating to be finite on how he had to charge?"
I never said that, because further down I said that Kogure didn't have the same energy, stop making scarecrow.
"I dont think so. Theres quite a lot to say Go is on the same level as S2. Kogure as an adult who still plays soccer (he didn't quit) and was still a member of the FFI would not be weakened so heavily to the point it reached a high fodder level. Maybe rusty, but not to that extent. Thats unreasonable to asume so."
Wrong, keep playing soccer is not the same as playing with the same commitment. Kogure was turned into a businessman, and played soccer like a robbie coaching an elderly / old people team, you're just ignoring the context and putting information out of context.
Akizora Challengers (Kogure's charity team)
"Other evidence is the use of moves like Bakunetsu Storm in Go, a move originating from S2, the use of Kenshins that buff their users considerably to the point it wouldn't be hard to say they would surpass a fair share of S2 chars, and the fact Go is a 10 year timeskip, where its stated and shown that football has increased in both power and popularity (shown by the founding of kenshins). Of course after S2 and 3, the general level will increase to that size."
So the hissatsus has the same level just because it is the same? Obviously not, they are not. Techniques evolve and do not have the same power as the other. The best example of this in the series is the god hand of Tachimukai, it does not have the same level as the god hand of rococo, not even Endou, which we can say that tied with that of Endou, or releases the same energy.
"I'd imagine the same person didn't translate and write all these at a time I would imagine Hino also personally did not write these himself since he has a whole crew of people." Yes you only
imagine, but he who writes the entire work, as he himself comments on his blog.
"Either way, does the power of a meteor sound stronger than a planet busting attack? Nothing prevents, this is just a fictional material, is what Hino has established in his universe, as many works here in this wiki also do.
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"How can superman talk in space? How can superman speak at the speed of light?"
Seriously, is that kind of argument going to be used?
"No, it is hyperbole in the way the statements are written. Its overexaggerated to give the moves a cool factor to them. Inazuma is all about over exaggerated football after all, and while its not a stretch to say they're always over exagg, they certainly need more evidence for that of planet-universal busting in this case. Outlier isn't the case because iffy exaggerated comments shouldn't be used to this scale when there is no external case to say that they're true. Outlier suggests that everything else lines up perfectly, except this one point that contradicts well enough to be disregarded. Which is not the case when a move called 'Iron Wall', can apparently block a meteor striking power ball, let alone the big bang."
There is nothing about hyperbole in writing descriptions of something, this is something you are making up, descriptions have no hyperbole because they simply fit into the context of the work. They are not made to hype anything, otherwise the last arc of inazuma eleven characters would not kick a ball to destroy a black hole bigger than a solar system.
Inazuma Eleven Go 3 Galaxy - Black Hole
As we can see, akihiro loves working with black holes, which are most descriptions of his techniques, so they can't be taken for hyperbole, as there is a legitimate feat of players coming together to stop a bigger one than the solar system.
Also, you are being very skeptical that you want to add level and argue just because of the name of an iron wall technique. It is totally controversial to say that descriptions are hyperbole, without giving any coherent information why their grammatical agreement is that. After all, as I showed akihiro loves working with Black Hole, and for example as the strongest players in the work have destroyed a really big one, it is no hyperbole for a weaker player to create a black hole on a much smaller scale like this:
can apparently block a meteor striking power ball, let alone the big bang. Yes, the same work where players catch a ball, energize it with various energies and kick in a mega jump and throw it off a planet to destroy a black hole larger than a solar system. Plus you don't add points other than Kiyama's Ryuusei Blade technique, which I already refuted to have the power of the big bang.
"And again, the power of these moves depend on the player. Apparently their 'passion for sakka' or some cheesy thing like that, but you cant ignore it when someones Ryuusei Blade >>> Someone elses Ryuusei Blade. They don't have set power like you suggest." Intriguing, since up there you argued that there is a classic technique during go, so they have the same level, but not now. You even refuted the point above Go and its level against the scale of kogure and Desarm.
"But really, they're dumbed down on what they're supposed to be for the sake of being cool. You've also gotta consider how stupid it is these things llike warp speed than can go FTL (Actual Warp exists in galaxy), but still take time to run across a soccer pitch of same size to us. It's anime, and because of these logical inconsstencies, again, for the sake of being cool little moves, we shouldn't always treat them like an actual thing. Inazuma is over the top and it knows it."
This goes exactly what I said about personal unbelief. You're catching on things like the character runs on a field so he can't have extreme speed. The characters have the speed to cross the field in the blink of an eye since the first game with a teikoku, where sakuma is being as fast as the eyes of onlookers, he runs across the field and disappears from the human eye. What in this wiki is subsonic speed. But all profiles here accept MHS speed for them, which would be enough to cross countries easily, so keep on stuffing with personal incredulity like "Ah but they take time to cross the field" Without any proof, just because in football the game It takes 30 minutes to finish, it means nothing.
So no, it's not just cute special moves or something. In inazuma eleven several of these techniques are described in real time with the story, especially in inazuma eleven where characters manipulate the timeline with a ball, and even throw ball into black holes. And just having some feats for some of these techniques is enough to classify ALL.
For example:
I do not support using the anime, but as you only seem to see it, here is a technique of the game, where her description is this:
In the game:
Taiyou - Sunshine Storm - Taiyou Shin Apollo (Armed) Inazuma Eleven GO 2 Chrono Stone
And in the anime we have this Taiyo Amemiya feat applying it.
Inazuma ElevenGO vs Danball Senki W Sunshine Storm
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The person's comes through a little light shines. It's just so fast!
In anime
White Hurricane
Hakuryuu's Moveset in Inazuma Eleven Go Strikers 2013
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Anime is just a spin off, so if it's just hyperbole, what would be the point in the anime adapting Hakiryu's hyperbole as a legitimate achievement? As we can see here, the storm it creates covers the whole of Japan, but it's hyperbole, after all it came from the description of the game. Not?
Hakuryu White Hurricane
The biggest proof that the descriptions are not hyperbole is because they are story content, if you play the game you will understand that. A description of an outfit is a historical point in inazuma eleven, as the details of the story are writers in such descriptions as Natsumi the president of the Raimon school, something not shown in the anime, and even the work becomes much more understandable as she exercises the her rights as a Raimon to put Endou as Raimon Technician next to Megane's hacking. Unlike the anime Megane only hacks the data from the fifth sector, and they leave it at that, but in real history raimon's position is exercised over it.
There's a lot more information that materializes everything as not hyperbole. If you want to continue with personal incredulity, I can do nothing. But you can't just define the descriptions as hyperbole without any means, mix a spin-off with canon, and still use a description adaptation within the spin off, which you called hyperbole. Everything is hyperbole or nothing in the works is. Choose, and please stop it big bang, as there is no big bang power hiroto. By the way, things like tiger driver and etc are spirits.
