In-Depth Discussion on High 1-A Standards in VSBW: Limits of Power and Possible Restrictions

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1 Introduction to the Nature of Hierarchy in High 1-A​

The High 1-A tier is one of the most complex classifications in VS Battles Wiki, surpassing all previous hierarchical structures while operating under a different system of superiority.
This raises fundamental questions regarding the nature of relationships between entities within this tier, the method of determining superiority among characters, and whether a "hierarchy" exists in the traditional sense within this level.

In this post, I will present a simple analysis based on direct definitions from VS Battles Wiki and pose questions that require confirmation from the administrators or well-informed members regarding the nature of this tier.


Section 1: The Conceptual Structure of High 1-A – Analyzing How Superiority Works Within It

According to VS Battles Wiki's definition of High 1-A:

"Characters who exist in a state of 'meta-qualitative' superiority. This is to say, they are completely above the 'quality' defining lower levels of qualitative superiority, residing in a wholly different hierarchy that operates on higher qualities entirely."

• "Meta-Qualitative Superiority": This means that High 1-A characters surpass all 1-A levels, not in a quantitative manner, but through entirely different metaphysical layers distinct from the conventional concept of "qualitative superiority" within 1-A.
• "Completely above the 'quality' defining lower levels": This implies that these characters do not merely surpass 1-A, but also transcend the very way superiority is defined within 1-A.
• "Residing in a wholly different hierarchy": This phrase is crucial, as it establishes that High 1-A is not simply an extension of 1-A but rather a completely new structure with its own "hierarchy" that operates under new principles.
• "Operates on higher qualities entirely": This indicates that this hierarchy is not just another "level" but rather a superiority structure based on entirely new concepts.

Debatable Questions Regarding These Points:

• If there is no internal hierarchy within High 1-A, how is the difference between two characters at this tier determined?
• Can the phrase "different hierarchy" be considered evidence that an internal system determines superiority within High 1-A?
• What exactly is meant by "Higher Qualities"? Does this refer to increasing degrees of meta-qualitative superiority?
• If there is no internal superiority, how can the superiority of some High 1-A characters over others be explained?
• Can High 1-A contain internal layers, similar to 1-A, but based on a completely different concept?

Section 2: Does an Internal Ranking System Exist Within High 1-A?​

The definition continues:

"For example, if a cosmology has a hierarchy of Reality-Fiction Transcendences, and then a character above it transcends all forms of reality and fiction, being a part of a hierarchy whose mode of superiority functions on something else."

• The existence of "a hierarchy whose mode of superiority functions on something else" clearly suggests that there is some form of ranking system within High 1-A, but it does not operate on the same principles as 1-A.
• If there is a "Hierarchy", then there must be an internal ranking, even if it is based on different mechanics from those in 1-A.
• However, if High 1-A is a "Hierarchy that works on different principles", this means there are internal levels within High 1-A, but they are based on a different mode of superiority.

Questions About This Section:

• If no internal ranking system exists within High 1-A, why is it stated that it operates within a "Hierarchy"?
• What is the "mode of superiority" that functions within High 1-A?
• If there is no internal hierarchy, how are characters within High 1-A classified?
• Could it be that internal superiority exists but does not follow a traditional hierarchical structure?
• Can a High 1-A character be stronger than another within the same tier? If so, how is this determined?

Section 3: What Does "Higher Algorithm" Mean?​

According to the definition:

"A High 1-A character would transcend the framework entirely, and instead operate on a different, higher hierarchy, governed by another, likewise higher algorithm."

• The mention of a "Higher Algorithm" means that there are specific laws governing this tier, suggesting the existence of an internal system regulating superiority among its characters.
• However, this does not necessarily mean that High 1-A is a single unified level—there is a high probability that internal differences exist, organized through this "higher algorithm."

Debatable Questions Regarding This Topic:

• What is the nature of "Higher Algorithm", and does it imply the existence of internal layers within High 1-A?
• If there is no internal ranking, why does an "algorithm" exist to regulate this tier?
• Can "Higher Algorithm" be considered a non-traditional mechanism for determining superiority within High 1-A?
• How does this algorithm function, and does it rely on the "Meta-Qualitative Superiority" principle?
• Clarification Needed: What is "Meta-Qualitative Superiority"?

Section 4: Are There "Internal Layers" Within High 1-A?​

According to the Attack Potency definition for High 1-A:

"The apex of this tier, represented also by a '+' modifier in their Attack Potency section (High Outerverse level+), corresponds to characters whose power encompasses meta-qualities, meta-meta-qualities, and any and all conceivable extensions of this process."

The existence of "Meta-Meta-Qualities" implies that there are degrees within High 1-A, based on the number of meta-qualitative layers that a character possesses.

Debatable Questions Regarding This Topic:

• If there is no internal ranking, why is "Meta-Meta-Qualities" mentioned as a superiority factor within High 1-A?
• Can characters with more meta-qualitative layers be considered stronger within High 1-A?
• How is the difference between two characters within this tier determined if there is no internal ranking system?

Final Conclusion: Is This Correct?

• High 1-A does not follow the traditional hierarchy of 1-A, but it possesses its own internal ranking system.
• (But is it a hierarchy/traditional structure?)
• The presence of "Higher Algorithm" and "Meta-Meta-Qualities" suggests the existence of internal layers within High 1-A.

So, is this conclusion correct?
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Introduction to the Nature of Hierarchy in High 1-A

The High 1-A tier is one of the most complex classifications in the VS Battles Wiki. It surpasses all previous hierarchical structures but operates on an entirely different system of superiority.

This raises several fundamental questions about the nature of relationships between entities within it, how superiority is determined among characters, and whether there exists a "hierarchy" in the traditional sense within this level.

In this post, I will present a simple analysis backed by direct definitions from VS Battles Wiki and raise questions that require confirmation from the officials or knowledgeable members regarding the nature of this tier.


Section 1: The Conceptual Structure of High 1-A – Analyzing Its Superiority

According to the VS Battles Wiki definition of High 1-A:

"Characters who exist in a state of 'meta-qualitative' superiority. This is to say, they are completely above the 'quality' defining lower levels of qualitative superiority, residing in a wholly different hierarchy that operates on higher qualities entirely."

• "Meta-Qualitative Superiority" means that High 1-A characters are superior to all 1-A levels not in a quantitative way but through entirely different metaphysical layers beyond the concept of "qualitative superiority" as defined in 1-A.
• "Completely above the 'quality' defining lower levels" indicates that these characters do not merely surpass 1-A, but transcend the very method by which differences within 1-A are determined.
• "Residing in a wholly different hierarchy" is a crucial phrase because it confirms that High 1-A is not a mere extension of 1-A, but an entirely new structural framework with its own hierarchy that operates under new laws.
• "Operates on higher qualities entirely" suggests that this structure is not just another "tier", but rather a qualitative transcendence built upon entirely new principles.

Debatable Questions on These Points:

• If there is no internal hierarchy within High 1-A, how is the difference between two characters within this tier determined?
• Can the term "different hierarchy" be taken as evidence that there is an internal system of superiority within High 1-A?
• What exactly does "Higher Qualities" mean? Does it imply increasing degrees of meta-qualitative superiority?
• If no internal superiority exists, how can some High 1-A characters be stronger than others?
• Could High 1-A itself have internal layers, similar to 1-A, but based on an entirely different concept?

Section 2: Is There an Internal Ranking System Within High 1-A?

The definition continues by stating:

"For example, if a cosmology has a hierarchy of Reality-Fiction Transcendences, and then a character above it transcends all forms of reality and fiction, being a part of a hierarchy whose mode of superiority functions on something else."

• The mention of "a hierarchy whose mode of superiority functions on something else" strongly suggests that there is some form of ranking within High 1-A, but it does not follow the same principles of superiority found in 1-A.
• If a hierarchy exists, then there must be an internal ordering system, even if it operates on a different mechanism than 1-A.
• However, if High 1-A is a "Hierarchy that works on different principles," this means there are levels within High 1-A structured around a different kind of superiority.

Debatable Questions on This Section:

• If there is no internal ranking system within High 1-A, why is it explicitly described as functioning within a "Hierarchy"?
• What is the "mode of superiority" that governs High 1-A?
• If no internal hierarchy exists, how are characters within High 1-A classified?
• Could there be internal superiority that does not follow the traditional hierarchical model?
• Can one High 1-A character be stronger than another within the same tier? If so, how is this determined?

Section 3: What Does "Higher Algorithm" Mean?

According to the definition:

"A High 1-A character would transcend the framework entirely, and instead operate on a different, higher hierarchy, governed by another, likewise higher algorithm."

• The mention of "Higher Algorithm" indicates that there are specific governing principles within this tier, implying the existence of an internal system that regulates superiority among its characters.
• However, this does not necessarily mean that High 1-A is a single, unified level; rather, there is a high probability that internal differences exist, managed through this "higher algorithm."

Debatable Questions on This Topic:

• What is the nature of the "Higher Algorithm"? Does it imply the existence of internal layers within High 1-A?
• If there is no internal ranking, why does a "higher algorithm" exist to regulate this tier?
• Can the "Higher Algorithm" be considered a non-traditional method of determining superiority within High 1-A?
• How does this algorithm function? Does it rely on "Meta-Qualitative Superiority"?

Section 4: Are There Internal Layers in High 1-A?

According to the Attack Potency definition for High 1-A:

"The apex of this tier, represented also by a '+' modifier in their Attack Potency section (High Outerverse level+), corresponds to characters whose power encompasses meta-qualities, meta-meta-qualities, and any and all conceivable extensions of this process."

The mention of "Meta-Meta-Qualities" implies that there are degrees within High 1-A based on the number of meta-qualitative layers possessed by characters.

Debatable Questions on This Topic:

• If there is no internal hierarchy, why are "Meta-Meta-Qualities" mentioned as a factor in determining superiority within High 1-A?
• Can characters with more meta-qualitative layers be considered stronger within High 1-A?
• If no internal ranking exists, how is the difference between two High 1-A characters determined?

Final Conclusion: Is This Correct?

• High 1-A does not follow the traditional hierarchical structure of 1-A, but it does have an internal ranking system (though not a traditional hierarchy?).
• The existence of "Higher Algorithm" and "Meta-Meta-Qualities" suggests that there are internal layers within High 1-A.

So, is this conclusion correct?

Additional Inquiry: Weaknesses and External Influence in High 1-A

Based on VSBW standards, a High 1-A character must transcend all types of limitations and restrictions and should not possess any weaknesses or be subject to external systems.

Key Questions:

1. Can a High 1-A character have weaknesses?

If a High 1-A character has any form of weakness, whether to an external entity, concept, or system, does this mean they are not truly High 1-A?



2. Can a High 1-A character need to "bypass" a system?

If a character must break free from a certain conceptual framework, wouldn't this imply that they were not High 1-A in the first place?

3. Can a High 1-A be affected by an external force, like "The Throne" in Hajun's case?

High 1-A should not be bound to anything external, including "The Throne" or any other supreme governing force.

If a character needs to "overcome" such an external force, does this disqualify them from High 1-A?


would this mean that hajun is not truly high 1-A

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