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Immortality Type 4

@TheRealCal

I think it was better like that tbh. Should probably go back to it. Some characters are protected by divinehood, but it's seen as a joke and I have never seen it brought up in vsbattles

The 3 primordial beings and the supreme creator of Wizard101 should get it added to that immortality added to their page
 
So what are the conclusions here?

Also, how many pages would need to be cleaned if we remove type 4? It has to be practically manageable.
 
Wheres Monarch, hes not exactly its biggest fan.

Anyway, most relevant type 4s(at least to me) seem to be more type 8s such as with Jill Presto or Horus.
 
I find Type 4 to be functionally useless.

Every other immortality type we have denotes a type or functioning of immortality. Type 1 -> immortal because you don't age. Type 3 -> immortal because you can just come back. Type 5 -> Immortal because you aren't something the concept of death applies to. Type 8 -> come back because you're linked to something and thus won't die as long as it's around. Etc.

Type 4 does not denote a type or functioning of immortality. It denotes a source . As I said in one of my other rants on this topic, practically any type 4 immortality can be attributed to a different type based on how it functions.

If your godhood/blessing from a god means you don't age, or do age but won't die of it, that is just type 1.

If your godhood/blessing from a god means you heal from anything people do to you, that's type 3.

If you're brought back / don't die at all because a god is helping you out, that's type 8. Live as long as the god's blessing / god. Does.

If your godhood/blessing means you are not affected by / outside space-time so you don't age, that's just something like acausality and type 1

If you godhood/blessing from god means that only people with equivalent divinity backing them up can kill you, that's invulnerability.

TL;dr Type 4 is a source of immortality rather than a functionally different immortality and can be attributed to other types of immortality or other powers altogether.
 
I agree with your points.

The problem is that if we get rid of type 4, this would require a massive wiki revision project, due to the type 5 would now be type 4, type 6 be type 5, and so onwards, with almost every single page in the wiki that links to the Immortality needing to be updated accordingly.

That said, if you can convince other administrators and content moderators to help you out with handling the project in an organised manner, feel free to do so.
 
What if we had another immortality to fill type 4?

That would just require us to remove type 4 from everyone who has it now and add the new type 4 to everyone who needs it instead of shuffling everything around.

I believe some people talked about a type 11 immortality a while ago for the old Perfect Immortality. We could turn type 4 into that.
 
I agree with Monarch honestly. The only case that doesn't necessarily fall under other types of immortality that I can think of is "i'm a god so I can't die period" which in most cases could be considered type 5 anyway
 
@Monarch

I suppose that could work, but we need more input regarding what the new type 4 should be, without being redundant.
 
I think there should be a clearer distinction between type 4 and type 8

The difference between the two is that the former has the deity actively reviving/backing you up, while for the latter it's just a consequence of your link with said deity

Examples: Champions of Chaos gets brought back by the Chaos Gods, so as long as they back them up, they'll live. That's type 4

Reinhard is a part of Mercurius' being so as long as the latter exists, he gets brought back. That's type 8

The main difference I can think of is that for the former it isn't 100% of the times needed to get rid of said deity to kill the character, as the god can just decide to not help the character anymore and let it die if it wanted.
 
Type 4 seems to be a version of type 8, yes.
 
I think we should either make the distinction clearer or incorporate it into type 8, but I personally think the former would be better, as they still have some clear differences
 
I personally think that it would be better to get rid of type 4. The problem is that the change would likely cause a massive amount of work to apply.
 
I can't really agree with getting rid of it. A rework of the description, while getting rid of the "I'm a god so I'm immortal" part, would be better, alongside an explanation of the difference with type 8

"Immortality via protection from a deity: A characters who is granted protection from another generally superior being, who actively protects or revives it. The difference with type 8 immortality is that, for type 4, there usually isn't a direct bond between the characters' existences, and/or the deity has to actively aid the protected character."

Something like this maybe
 
I suppose that would be less work to apply at least.
 
Honestly, many gods in fiction aren't even depicted as immortal, outside of having time 1 immortality, (some of which even lack).

The best application of a similar type of immortality would be:" you have a natural function in the universe, so you are forced to live and to be brought back to exist because without you, the universe goes upside down", which again, could very well be interpreted as type 8.

Outside of this, and the Gods of Greek Mythology, I don't see anything else.
 
@DMB

I do not think that I would classify reincarnation as parasitic immortality, but would appreciate more staff input.
 
@DMB 1 Not really, because you're not possessing someone or taking over their body, you're going back into the cycle of life in a new body that is your own, also, you still "die" but always come back, it's closer to self-ressurection then anything. Except it's not really self-ressurection either.
 
Also, for people who's Immortality type 4 matters like Magnus the Red, he should have Immortality type 8, as they rely on their Deity as much as a Lich relies on his Phylactory.
 
I thought we established that even reincarnation can be considered type 6 because you are moving your soul to another body, even if it's void.

Still, a type of Immortality based on Resurrection or Reincarnation would be fine to me.
 
So Immortality Type (4), which is granted by someone being a god, and that god position makes it impossible for them to be harmed by any one less than them, counts as invulnerability?
 
Currently, yes, although Udlmaster had what may be a good idea for a replacement.

It depends on what other staff members think though.
 
Id like to point out that that type of type 4 could be moved into type 8 and given a description(obviously) saying something like "can only be harmed and/or killed by someone of eqaul or higher level(tier or divinity)" or something like that.
 
Okay. What about you Monarch?
 
Oh boy.

I'll make a list.

So we're just removing type 4 for now, and we're going to add in reincarnating immortality to profiles later?
 
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