Ignoring durability via Lifting Strenght

[Bobsican]

I´ve noticed that there are some characters with Lifting Strenght arguably far below their own tier, so I decided to ask this:

Character A is a 6-B, but his Lifting Strenght is Below Average.

Character B is a 8-A, but his Lifting Strenght is Class 25

Scenario:

Character B manages to attemp stomping Character A with some big boulder of such weight, Will it ignore durability?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

No it won't. Because the boulder won't cursh him with 6-B AP. Though in a scenario where the boulder would somehow be indestructible to the 6-B dude (no matter what he does the boulder won't break), then the boulder would cause incap as the 6-B dude won't be able to free himself from the boulder due to his low lifting strength being unable to acomplish such a feat.

So character B throws boulder, Character A doesn't mind it at all, but is unable to get out (allthough that is almost never the case as punching the boulder into space would go into the AP case, but let's say that can't happen), cus he can't lift the boulder.

Lifting Strength is not exactly an important stat, sometimes i even wonder why it's there since in a vs battle AP can do almost anything lifting strength can do and more. But no that doesn't ignore durability.

 

[Antvasima]

As far as I know, it won't ignore durability in terms of causing damage, and the character in question can usually just blast it off.

 

[Bobsican]

What if Character A´s reactions are below Character B´s attack speed?

 

[Antvasima]

It can still blast the boulder off afterwards.

 

[Bobsican]

What if the boulder has higher durability than Character A´s AP?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I told you @Bobsican. AP can be used to launch objects in the air without much effort. Character A can just punch the object and throw it into space via being able to output that much force with a single punch.

 

[Agnaa]

To clarify, Character A's low lifting strength means they wouldn't be able to hold it up constantly, but they'd still be able to punch it away due to their striking strength.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

To clarify, Character A's low lifting strength means they wouldn't be able to hold it up constantly, but they'd still be able to punch it away due to their striking strength.

^^^^^

 

[Bobsican]

Thanks for the answers.

 

[Antvasima]

Fiction is very inconsistent regarding punching and striking strength, even though energy is energy and should be possible to use for both purposes. Take the Flash (Wally West) (Post-Crisis) for example.

 

[Bobsican]

Isn´t the difference between a sudden burst of energy normally higher than a continuous one, or it´s the other way around?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it shouldn't be nearly as high as fiction usually makes it out to be, but we consider it safest to evaluate the two statistics separately.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Isn´t the difference between a sudden burst of energy normally higher than a continuous one, or it´s the other way around?

Well you would need much more energy to punch a boulder into space rather than carry it. Same as how you need more force to slap a volleyball rather than carrying it.

 

[Antoniofer]

Lifting Strength do not negate durability, however, someone with considerable higher LS would be able to restrain another one of inferior LS, if the restrained one do not possesses AoE attacks that fit with its AP nor energy attacks (or similar) then it wouldn't be able to free itself.

 

[Bobsican]

This means that it can lead to a possible incap if Character A has no hax?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

This means that it can lead to a possible incap if Character A has no hax?

Unlikely to "almost impossible". If A has higher AP but less LS, character A will in most cases win.

B throws boulder. A punches boulder back at B.

B hugs A. A just punches him before B can.

B hugs A via blitz. Still not incap as B would get tired sooner or later. And our incap methods say that it needs to be a passive incap, not active.

 

[Antoniofer]

It do not need hax to free itself necessary, just AoE attacks that allow it to put whatever is restaining it aside.

 

[Bobsican]

Plot twist: Character B has infinite stamina

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Plot twist: Character B has infinite stamina

Still not a passive incap method.

Active incap: B hugs A for eternity. Not win condition as B is just actively holding A while exerting itself.

Passive Incap: B punches A. A falls unconscious for 1 day. Win, because B didn't need to do anything to keep A in a state where he couldn't harm B, he only needed to put A in that state, not keep him.

 

[Bobsican]

Huh, makes sence.

Thanks for the answers.

 

[Agnaa]

Still not a passive incap method.

Active incap: B hugs A for eternity. Not win condition as B is just actively holding A while exerting itself.

Passive Incap: B punches A. A falls unconscious for 1 day. Win, because B didn't need to do anything to keep A in a state where he couldn't harm B, he only needed to put A in that state, not keep him.

Would a character using telekinesis to hold another down not count as incap win because they're actively using an ability?

Also, KO only requires 1 hour of unconsciousness iirc.

 

[Antoniofer]

Guess if the TK of someone has higher LS than its target weights, or at least higher than its LS then it can treat it like a drag doll or suspend it into the air with this one unable to make physical contact, character as Zephir (Valiant) tend to do that.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Would a character using telekinesis to hold another down not count as incap win because they're actively using an ability?

Also, KO only requires 1 hour of unconsciousness iirc.

Nope, if they are actively using it then no.

Well it was just an example. Passives do count for this doe. Example Golden King looking at you for 24h is incap cus he's just looking at you.

 

[Antvasima]

Should we close this thread?

 

[Antoniofer]

If OP question were cleared and there's no other doubt I guess it can be closed. I take care of that.