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Today we’ll be revising the least interesting Sonic continuity!

Miscellaneous Ability Additions​

Super Sonic’s speed​

With this calculation we’ll be able to put a number to Super Sonic’s feat of circumnavigating the Earth (which the profile currently guesstimates at FTL w/o a calc).

Burning Blaze and Metal Sonic’s Super States should be updated from Unknown and scale to Super Sonic’s speed.

Metal Sonic​

Currently, Metal Sonic’s profile lists Neo Metal Sonic as his “Base” form rather than his everyday appearance. This is because at the time of his profile’s creation he debuted in his Neo form, but since then he’s been reverted to his iconic design. This should be his base key instead.

He should have Natural Weaponry via his sharp claws. His Power Mimicry is also stated to make him stronger in proportion to who he’s mimicking, meaning he should have Statistics Amplification.
 
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Why would he be downgraded? Any reasons? He is portrayed narratively as being stronger than Neo's super form, and only lost without the ME, we can't downgrade him because base characters fought him, when beforehand Shadow was capable of hitting his super form and Blaze was struggling with the ships, seems arbitary
 
Theuser789 said:
Blaze was struggling with the ships
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Blaze wasn’t struggling, just noting the ship’s blasts could slow her down. She also was taking care not to destroy Angel Island while dealing with the Battleship. The “fight” also wasn’t long and Blaze never got hit


Theuser789 said:
Why would he be downgraded?
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He’s not being downgraded, yet. Just not accepting his speed upgrade atm


Theuser789 said:
portrayed narratively as being stronger than Neo's super form, and only lost without the ME, we can't downgrade him because base characters fought him, when beforehand Shadow was capable of hitting his super form
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As Starline said, the Chaos Emerald powers varies, so the Base characters being able to fight him is possible within the verse’s lore. Super Sonic, admittedly, doesn’t have any feats to support tier 5 atm, which is true, he should get a “possibly” rating.

But Super Sonic does have a feat of destroying Zavok in an instant, who was narratively stronger than the Base cast.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
and Master Overlord) should receive Self-Sustenance (Type 3) as Super Forms
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Deaby-downer moment, Master Overlord is not a Super State

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Thankfully being a ‘Bot gives Metal Type 3 in base. Though that puts a bit of doubt on him scaling to Supers
 
Oh right, Silver should get Time Travel and Acausality for being unaffected to changes to his Era (for example, if the Metal Virus ended all life on the planet he shouldn’t have born in the future, but this wasn’t the case).
 
Theuser789 said:
We already discussed the rest but there's no reason he wouldn't have it versus any other super form having it, it's the same concept to AP
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A main reason being Sonic stated Master Overlord is not a Super State and that’s a plus for him(Sonic). It’s unknown whether Sonic meant Hax or Stats. (And the many scaling to the Base cast)

The fact Super Neo Metal Sonic played, blitzed and easily managed Sonic and Knuckles in strength and speed, while MO was not playing around and got owned by the base cast.

SNMS is still treated with scaling to Super Sonic.
 
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ElixirBlue said:
A main reason being Sonic stated Master Overlord is not a Super State and that’s a plus for him(Sonic). It’s unknown whether Sonic meant Hax or Stats. (And the many scaling to the Base cast)
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No, it's NOT unknown, it's clearly a plus in hax since Master Overlord is stronger than his super state, there's nothing unknown here
ElixirBlue said:
The fact Super Neo Metal Sonic played, blitzed and easily managed Sonic and Knuckles in strength and speed, while MO was not playing around and got owned by the base cast.
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Sonic was irritating Metal to defocus him, plus he never had the chance to blitz him, they were in his body most of the fight, otherwise he had the upper advantage every time
ElixirBlue said:
SNMS is still treated with scaling to Super Sonic.
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And this form is stronger than that one, being his ultimate plan and final form
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Today we’ll be revising the least interesting Sonic continuity!
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Why?
Maverick_Zero_X said:
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Another feat like that. Could double as a travel speed feat too as he crosses a considerable distance before his cup falls and his speed creates a wind strong enough to bend a few trees
The base characters combat speed could use some upgrading aswell. IDW Sonic/Shadow get some abilities/resistance scaled to their game counterparts, because it implied multiple times that game events(most notably SA2, Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, maybe rush, Arabian Nights, Colors, Lost World, Generations, Forces)happend in this continuity too. Heck, Post-Genesis Archie Sonic scales speedwise to his gameself for simular reasons(even tho Post Genesis has more differences to the games than IDW so far). Shouldn't Eggman's lasers scale to his gameself which are treated as LS? Also the Cyan Lasers here have reflective properties just like in game. We have also seen these 2 types of lasers move in tandem with each other in IDW. We could get some nice ugrades with Burning Blaze, Tails, Sonic, Tangle & Amy dodging Eggman's lasers.
 
imagine thinking idw sonic is the least interesting sonic continuity when the metal virus arc alone is literally better than most game sonic + archie sonic stories 🤡
 
Fireld said:
Why?
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What have I done? Why did I just have to ask? WHY!?
Fireld said:
Another feat like that(Water Walking). Could double as a travel speed feat too as he crosses a considerable distance before his cup falls and his speed creates a wind strong enough to bend a few trees
The base characters combat speed could use some upgrading aswell. IDW Sonic/Shadow get some abilities/resistance scaled to their game counterparts, because it's implied multiple times that game events(most notably SA2, Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, maybe rush, Arabian Nights, Colors, Lost World, Generations, Forces)happend in this continuity too. Heck, Post-Genesis Archie Sonic scales speedwise to his gameself for simular reasons(even tho Post Genesis has more differences to the games than IDW so far). Shouldn't Eggman's lasers scale to his gameself which are treated as LS? Also the Cyan Lasers here have reflective properties just like in game. We have also seen these 2 types of lasers move in tandem with each other in IDW. We could get some nice ugrades with Burning Blaze, Tails, Sonic, Tangle & Amy dodging Eggman's lasers.
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Any thoughts on this?
 
Theuser789 said:
Master Overlord is stronger than his super state
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Can you post the exact scan for this?

Theuser789 said:
Sonic was irritating Metal to defocus him, plus he never had the chance to blitz him, they were in his body most of the fight, otherwise he had the upper advantage every time
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Inside his body during the fight with Super Neo Metal Sonic? If you are talking about Master Overlord, no, they weren't in MO till Knuckles went in to push ME out at the end of the fight.

Theuser789 said:
And this form is stronger than that one, being his ultimate plan and final form
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Clearly, he was mistaken, since so many evidence, scaling, being call not a Super State by Sonic himself, goes against Metal's thoughts about his plan.

Also, if your claim that Master Overlord scales above Super Forms because it was Metal’s plan, Dr. Starline directly states it wasn’t a proper plan.


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Does that directly say Master Overlord is not as strong as Super Forms? No, but if the only evidence for Master Overlord's scaling is because Metal planned for it, Dr. Starline throws doubt to it, since Super Forms's power, not Hax(outside of flight), were the reason for winning the day against the Metal Virus.
 
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ElixirBlue said:
Can you post the exact scan for this?
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The one that he proudly states that he doesn't need to go in his final form while on his super form
ElixirBlue said:
Inside his body during the fight with Super Neo Metal Sonic? If you are talking about Master Overlord, no, they weren't in MO till Knuckles went in to push ME out at the end of the fight.
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Yes, they were literally on top of him during most of the fight, this is literally wrong, again, makes me wonder if you even read it



These are the only two pages in the entire fight where they AREN'T on top of Master Overlord, stop manipulating evidence
ElixirBlue said:
Clearly, he was mistaken, since so many evidence, scaling, being call not a Super State by Sonic himself, goes against Metal's thoughts about his plan.

Also, if your claim that Master Overlord scales above Super Forms because it was Metal’s plan, Dr. Starline directly states it wasn’t a proper plan.
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What evidence? You have only posted either PIS (base characters hurting him, which his tier wouldn't even matter about it) or OOC statments that don't mean what you think it means, case in point Sonic's statment, clearly talking about hax, since his literal transformation was capable of blocking ALL their attacks, and this Starline statment where he that Metal plan was bad because he only cared about OVERWHELMING POWER, directly stating that it was about POWER, not clever thinking or hax, it goes AGAINST your claims that he is somehow weak
ElixirBlue said:
Does that directly say Master Overlord is not as strong as Super Forms? No, but if the only evidence for Master Overlord's scaling is because Metal planned for it, Dr. Starline throws doubt to it, since Super Forms's power, not Hax(outside of flight), were the reason for winning the day against the Metal Virus.
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Yeah, ir implies the opposite, that he had overwhelming power, thanks for gathering the evidence for me, that Starline disliked the lack of strategy, not power. Excuse me? Super forms power saved the day???? Did you read the same arc? The only thing they did in terms of strengh was beat Zavok without his emerald power, everything else was NOT power

It was Silver's TK to suck the virus out, with the Warp Topaz opening a portal


And then speed


Raw strengh did NOT win this and that's extremely dishonest to say so
 
This is clear PIS, and I don't see why we are going through hoops and loops to exclude Master Overlord because base characters were a distraction
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Ian simply doesn't see the difference between base and super form as big as us so he thinks they being a distraction is valid, that's it
 
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