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GT Goku (Shadow Dragon arc) vs. DBS Goku (Tournament of Power arc, pre Ultra Instinct sign)

Both are 2-C and speed is equalized. Both start in base. GT Goku can access all his Super Saiyan transformations including Limits Broken SSJ4 while DBS Goku can access up to SSB Kaioken x20.

If this turns out to be unfair for either side I'll just put any of the two Goku in a weaker arc or restrict Kaioken. I think this should be fair as they scale to the same feat

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Recolor transformation Goku: 1

Primal transformation Goku: 1

Goku loses:
 
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Like, GT Goku's growth throughout GT is insane. DBS Goku only gets crazy growth by the time after they fight Goku Black the second time.

GT Goku consistently surpasses his SSJ2-SSJ3 forms practically every other arc with Base to SSJ1 levels. Heck he straight up proved he surpassed Gohan's goated potential during his fight with Gohan, only needing his Base to take on his Super Saiyan State despite him training intensely to the point his Potential Unleashed was his Base form. And if we factor in that new potential to how much he grows..
 
Using only accepted multipliers

Base Goku ( BoG ) 1
SSB 2500
Hit Rematch SSB : 25,000
SSG ToP : 25,000
SSB KK20 pre UI : 25,000,000

Baby 1
SS1 Goten 50
SS1 Gohan 2500
SS1 Goku 125,000
Golden Oozaru 1,250,000
SS1 Gohan ( S17) 125,000
Goku FPSSJ4 base: >125,000
FPSSJ4 goku: 62,500,000

Note that this doesn’t remotely means I believe one or the other to be stronger, there are plenty of missing scaling chains and interpretations that could benefit one side or the other such as SSG having unknown multiplier, black arc which is generally omitted almost all of anime super scaling chains and SS4 being blatantly superior to Golden Ape by at least the full power difference between SS3 and SS1
 
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Base Goku from BoG is 100 times as strong as his Super Saiyan God self


SSG: 1
Post-SSG SS1: 50
Post-Zenkai Base Form: At least 100
SS: At least 5,000
SSB: At least 250,000
SSB Post-FT Saga: At least 2,500,000
Early ToP SSG: At least 2,500,000
Early ToP SSB: At least 125,000,000
Early ToP SSBKKx20: At least 2,500,000,000
 
I feel like this might be a bit convoluted because the anime tends to have weirder scaling moments. IMO the DBS manga seems more streamlined and could be better for VS GT matches once the scaling chain thread is concluded.
 
Why doesn’t someone get the current gt scaling chain and just replace it with above 2-C shit and starting the 2-C scale from Buuhan
 
Doesn't GT Goku scale up to 3 universes? If that's the case then BoG SSG Goku could take on GT
 
godofice said:
Gt has a huge ass scaling chain and DBS does too but this would be pre top blue goku because otherwise bro would stomp
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Since this is SSB Goku who scales 50x above SSG I might have to give it to DBS Goku
 
3U 2-C = SSG Goku < SSG Absorbed Base Goku <(50x) SS Goku <(2x) Base Post-BoG Goku < Base RoF Goku <(50x) SS Goku (RoF) < SS2 Goku < SS3 Goku < SSG Goku <(50x) SSB Goku < SSB Goku (U6 Tournament) <(10x) SSBKKx10 Goku < SSB Goku (Hit Rematch) =< SSG Goku (Early ToP) <(50x) SSB Goku (Early ToP) <(20x) SSBKKx20 Goku

Final tally
3U 2-C <<<<<<<< 2.500.000.000x SSBKKX20 Goku

Any form of Goku after this just straight up becomes a 6U 2-C so he will just roflstomp GT Goku no matter how high he scales.
 
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IMO the absolute highest the scaling in GT can be taken is as follows assuming the highest end interpretations are taken at face value,

Note that I’m skipping the **** out of “> “markers because they saturate the post and don’t establish shit beyond marginal superiority

(BSS) Base Goku :1

(BSS) SS1 Goku : 50x

Rildo base / Sigma / Meta: 1/50/50

Baby: 50 (assuming he scales to either Sigma or Meta Rildo as opposed to Base )

SS1 Goten: 2500x

SS1 Gohan: 125,000x

SS1 Goku: 6,250,000x

Majuub : 6,250,000x

Golden Great Ape/SS4: 62,500,000x

( S17) Base Gohan : 6,250,000x ( Majuub expected Base Gohans KHH to be more effective than his own attacks vs S17 and was left in disbelief when it failed )

SS1 Gohan / Goku / Vegeta: 312,500,000x

SS4 Goku: 3,125,000,000x

Rage Shenron: 3,125,000,000x ( no sold SS4 KHH x10)

Base Nova : 3,125,000,000x ( stated to be above previous dragons)

Base Goku: 3,125,000,000x ( defeated Base Nove)

SS4 Goku : 1,562,500,000,000x

FPSS4 Goku: At most 15,625,000,000,000x w Dragon Fist or Self Destrcution. ( comparable to but definitely inferior to Omega)

Omega : 15,625,000,000,000x

Gogeta SS4 : ??? (no showings for his base and no known multiplier for fusions but obviously he is stronger than Omega by many times)

EoGT Base Goku: btfos omega, doesn’t elaborate, leaves.
 
Padaruyos said:
Buuhan is now 2-C. And basically everyone in GT is above that.
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Wait, Super Goku is 2-C in every key too? Was he? Was he always like this? I am so confused... I am legitimately flabbergasted. How many CRTs have I missed?
Gohan is 6 universes..? What?
 
MrKerf said:
Wait, Super Goku is 2-C in every key too? Was he? Was he always like this? I am so confused... I am legitimately flabbergasted. How many CRTs have I missed?
Gohan is 6 universes..? What?
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There's a huge CRT a few weeks back that makes the "Universe" in Dragon Ball to be a Macrocosm containing 3 separate space-times, this applies to every form of DB media from DBZ, DBS (both manga and anime), DBGT, and more. This in turn makes every universal destruction feat (Buuhan Outside Space and SSG Goku vs Beerus) in DB a 3 universe 2-C feat.

In case of DBS, since Jiren scales above 3 GoDs clashing, while even 2 GoDs are enough to destroy 2 "Universes" (totaling 6 space-times) this makes every character that scales above UIO Goku a 6 Universe 2-C.
 
Padaruyos said:
There's a huge CRT a few weeks back that makes the "Universe" in Dragon Ball to be a Macrocosm containing 3 separate space-times, this applies to every form of DB media from DBZ, DBS (both manga and anime), DBGT, and more. This in turn makes every universal destruction feat (Buuhan Outside Space and SSG Goku vs Beerus) in DB a 3 universe 2-C feat.

In case of DBS, since Jiren scales above 3 GoDs clashing, while even 2 GoDs are enough to destroy 2 "Universes" (totaling 6 space-times) this makes every character that scales above UIO Goku a 6 Universe 2-C.
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Well, I see, Thanks.
Following, I guess.
3 space-times... Goddamn.
 
Padaruyos said:
3U 2-C = SSG Goku < SSG Absorbed Base Goku <(50x) SS Goku <(2x) Base Post-BoG Goku < Base RoF Goku <(50x) SS Goku (RoF) < SS2 Goku < SS3 Goku < SSG Goku <(50x) SSB Goku < SSB Goku (U6 Tournament) <(10x) SSBKKx10 Goku < SSB Goku (Hit Rematch) =< SSG Goku (Early ToP) <(50x) SSB Goku (Early ToP) <(20x) SSBKKx20 Goku

Final tally
3U 2-C <<<<<<<< 2.500.000.000x SSBKKX20 Goku

Any form of Goku ever this just straight up becomes a 6U 2-C so he will just roflstomp GT Goku no matter how high he scales.
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You did it outta order but SSG Goku < SSJ Goku god ki absorbed (50x) < Punch that was hard to nullify Ssj goku (100x) < Base Goku Stronger than that version of Goku in base (5000x) but besides that pretty accurate but the scaling chain would be higher
MrKerf said:
:eek:
Well, I see, Thanks.
Following, I guess.
3 space-times... Goddamn.
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yeah
 
AguilaR202 said:
IMO the absolute highest the scaling in GT can be taken is as follows assuming the highest end interpretations are taken at face value,

Note that I’m skipping the **** out of “> “markers because they saturate the post and don’t establish shit beyond marginal superiority

(BSS) Base Goku :1

(BSS) SS1 Goku : 50x

Rildo base / Sigma / Meta: 1/50/50

Baby: 50 (assuming he scales to either Sigma or Meta Rildo as opposed to Base )

SS1 Goten: 2500x

SS1 Gohan: 125,000x

SS1 Goku: 6,250,000x

Majuub : 6,250,000x

Golden Great Ape/SS4: 62,500,000x

( S17) Base Gohan : 6,250,000x ( Majuub expected Base Gohans KHH to be more effective than his own attacks vs S17 and was left in disbelief when it failed )

SS1 Gohan / Goku / Vegeta: 312,500,000x

SS4 Goku: 3,125,000,000x

Rage Shenron: 3,125,000,000x ( no sold SS4 KHH x10)

Base Nova : 3,125,000,000x ( stated to be above previous dragons)

Base Goku: 3,125,000,000x ( defeated Base Nove)

SS4 Goku : 1,562,500,000,000x

FPSS4 Goku: At most 15,625,000,000,000x w Dragon Fist or Self Destrcution. ( comparable to but definitely inferior to Omega)

Omega : 15,625,000,000,000x

Gogeta SS4 : ??? (no showings for his base and no known multiplier for fusions but obviously he is stronger than Omega by many times)

EoGT Base Goku: btfos omega, doesn’t elaborate, leaves.
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I am sure Rage Shenron doesn't scale to SSJ4 Goku, he just redirected the Kamehameha but they were mostly toe to toe with BASE Goku.

Which makes this kinda over bloated for no reason at all
 
Wanted to check my scaling for Super.

Base Goku (post-BoG): 50

Base Goku (RoF): >50

Base Goku (U6/beginning of Black arc): >>50

Base Goku (post-black): >>>2500 (ssb goku > ssr black > base black > pre black ssb)

Base Goku (ToP): >>>125 000 (top ssg = black arc ssb)
SSJ: >>>6 250 000
SSJ2: >>> 12 500 000
SSG: >>>>>> 12 500 000
SSB: >>>>>> 625 000 000

SSBKKx20: >>>>>> 12 500 000 000x

OK the scaling is kinda crazy for super lol
 
AguilaR202 said:
IMO the absolute highest the scaling in GT can be taken is as follows assuming the highest end interpretations are taken at face value,

Note that I’m skipping the **** out of “> “markers because they saturate the post and don’t establish shit beyond marginal superiority

(BSS) Base Goku :1

(BSS) SS1 Goku : 50x

Rildo base / Sigma / Meta: 1/50/50

Baby: 50 (assuming he scales to either Sigma or Meta Rildo as opposed to Base )

SS1 Goten: 2500x

SS1 Gohan: 125,000x

SS1 Goku: 6,250,000x

Majuub : 6,250,000x

Golden Great Ape/SS4: 62,500,000x

( S17) Base Gohan : 6,250,000x ( Majuub expected Base Gohans KHH to be more effective than his own attacks vs S17 and was left in disbelief when it failed )

SS1 Gohan / Goku / Vegeta: 312,500,000x

SS4 Goku: 3,125,000,000x

Rage Shenron: 3,125,000,000x ( no sold SS4 KHH x10)

Base Nova : 3,125,000,000x ( stated to be above previous dragons)

Base Goku: 3,125,000,000x ( defeated Base Nove)

SS4 Goku : 1,562,500,000,000x

FPSS4 Goku: At most 15,625,000,000,000x w Dragon Fist or Self Destrcution. ( comparable to but definitely inferior to Omega)

Omega : 15,625,000,000,000x

Gogeta SS4 : ??? (no showings for his base and no known multiplier for fusions but obviously he is stronger than Omega by many times)

EoGT Base Goku: btfos omega, doesn’t elaborate, leaves.
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Base form goku from the end is above that still, ad the 50x multiplier from super saiyan and, well, i guess i will vote gt goku fairly easy, honestly he is just dbs goku but stronger
 
Voting GT Goku for now since GT Goku's power growth throughout GT is just ridiculous. The only way for DBS Goku to win is to get beaten up so hard he just awakens UIO.
 
I'll give this a quick shot for DBS Goku.
  • SSG Goku was 3 2-C via destruction of U7 but grew much stronger over time and absorbed the power into base form, if we take the blog into account then Base Goku is 54x 3 2-C at the end of the Beerus Saga.
  • From there Goku trained intensely to unlock Super Saiyan Blue, which is just SS1 merged with SSG. At minimum that's 50 x 54 = 2,700x
  • After RoF, Goku trained 3 years with Vegeta and obtained X10 Blue, which would be 27,000x at minimum.
  • By end of the Black Saga, we know that Goku can match Hit in just SSB which would make him 27,000x at minimum and then 270,000x at minimum in X10, over 540,000x in X20.
This all seems pretty low but...Base Black was superior to SSB Vegeta and we later see SSB Goku absolutely crush SSR Black when enraged and then overpower Merged Zamasu's Holy Wrath and even smash him around by breaking his arms in KK.

No matter how we take this, it's an insane leap. I'd even argue SSG is an 'infinite' multiplier given it took Goku from finite power to infinite power. But okay let's lowball this:
  • SSG scales to at least 500x base because of scaling to Wrathful Broly. SSB is 50x that so 500 x 50 = 25,000
  • Base Black thrashed SSB Vegeta
  • Then after training SSB Vegeta and SSB Goku thrash SSR Black
With that logic we would get:
Enraged SSB Goku > SSR Black (67,500,000x) >>>> Base Black >> SSB Vegeta (2,700x)

Which would thereby imply that SSB Goku is at least 67,500,000x 3 2-C. Then X20 would be 1.35 billion times baseline 3 2-C.

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I can't really comment on GT scaling because the last time I watched it was 2010 or something. I personally feel like the scaling for DBS Goku is more absurd than I present it as because, again, Super Saiyan God took Goku from finite power to infinite power. What I presented is an insane lowball in my opinion.

I'm tempted to vote for DBS Goku because of how I view SSG's multiplier...given that I view this all as a massive lowball and I still reach such high figures...yeah I'm gonna vote for DBS Goku. I genuinely believe SSG's actual power is far FAR greater than this lowball.
 
Adem_Warlock69 said:
I mean, in Toei, SSJ3 took goku from 4-B to High 3-A, soooooo
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The difference being that that's High 3-A from 4-B whereas DBS Goku goes from High 4-C to 2-C.

To put that into perspective, 3 2-C is infinitely stronger than baseline 2-C which is infinitely stronger than Low 2-C which is infinitely stronger than High 3-A which is infinitely stronger than 3-A. That would rank SSG as multiple magnitudes of 'infinite' beyond Toei SS3 in multiplier, and that's ignoring how DBS Goku started out much weaker than Toei Goku in this leap.

Since Toei SS3's multiplier is nowhere near SSG's multiplier you'd have to convince me that either SS4's multiplier is so high it surpasses SSG's multiplier or you would have to convince me Base GT Goku is multiple infinities beyond Base DBS Goku, which I don't think is plausible currently.

So yes, I still think SSG's multiplier is too high when combined with the Black Saga scaling for GT Goku to realistically match DBS Goku's power leaps.
 
That figure is just an extreme lowball. What this really boils down to is whether or not you believe SSG is 'only' 500x base.
 
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