Huge Aladdin Upgrade

[TataHakai]

So this might be Kind of a long thread but it's been coming for a while

In my opinion Aladdin should be Upgraded to a High 2-A

In the final arc Aladdin was able to not only one shot David whom was capable of swallowing up a High 2-A characters such as Sinbad and yes this really wasDavid fighting with Sinbad to take control and he, David, eventually won before being defeated by Aladdin

He was also able to push back David's clone which could cause damage to and push back Sinbad and also Hold Ugo like a toy

Aladdin had also been stated to, like 40 chapters prior to have Surpassed Solomo

Who essentially Killed ill illah and recreated the world, he ripped off all the Ruhk that ill illah had and Sealed ill illah's main body into another dimension whilst still in his Magician form mind you (Which should logically mean Solomon should also be upgraded to a low 2-C but that's for another day)

So Aladdin was able to fight and Match/overpower opponents who could Push back the likes of Sinbad and Ugo, he was able to defeat David (Yes he really did, here are the raws for chapter 369 the final chapter and David doesn't even appear) and push him back on several occasions, he's clearly far above the rest as he was stated to be above Solomon who could defeat ill illah who whilst having no Ruhk (Remember Solomon stole all his ruhk 100 chapters before the feat) was able to create a universe

Even David prior to being the Guardian of the sacred palace was capable of destroying and recreating a Universe

So that's all i have to say, High 2-A Aladdin sounds fair to me as he's pretty much a god tier at this point.

 

[Trinimac15]

He does all that by controlling the palace he's own durability doesn't become multiversal all of a sudden from what I'm aware.

Those are just my thoughts and 4D Magi characters also sounds like nonsense imo

 

[TataHakai]

Who? Aladdin never had control of the palace, in fact the likes of Sinbad were able to crush Universes with their palms, David prior to coming in control of the Sacred palace was in the process of destroying and recreating a universe physically.

 

[Trinimac15]

All the gods use the power of the palace to do anything on a universal scale, When did Sinbad crush a universe with his palms, dude David literally states he will use the sacred palace power to create a universe. He has no physical stats at the universal level it's all the sacred palace.

 

[TataHakai]

So solomon used the sacred palace's power, to defeat ill illah (Who is Universal+ even whilst nerfed from the one Solomon defeated), then with the power he took from ill illah....created the sacred palace which by your logic Solomon used to defeat ill illah? That makes no sense

Even if we assume Everything done by David, Ugo and ill illah is now only limited to the sacred palace, Solomon still physically defeated ill illah (Who had ruhk) whilst an ill illah without ruhk is Casually Universal+

 

[Trinimac15]

When was that ever stated, I've read Magi and I never saw anything stating Solomon created the sacred palace, Dude Solomon got his ass handed to him by David(who was using a bit of the ill illah so he was definitely not universal before taking God's power so stop those implications please.

I like how your stating casual universal+ but they have 0 universal+ feats casually that is, you know what where's your evidence that the ill illah can destroy the universe with no magic and casually at that I'll wait.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, David was severely weakened at the time, due to the Sacred Palace collapsing, Aladdin was empowered by Ugo, Solomon, and his mother for the attack, and the Magi characters, such as Ugo, have consistently been shown as enormously weaker outside of the Palace.

If those explanations are insufficient, we can probably write it off as Plot-Induced Stupidity. Aladdin has definitely never remotely displayed a multiversal scale of power.

 

[Dark649]

The series is also over as i posted here.

 

[TataHakai]

When was that ever stated, I've read Magi and I never saw anything stating Solomon created the sacred palace, Dude Solomon got his ass handed to him by David(who was using a bit of the ill illah so he was definitely not universal before taking God's power so stop those implications please.
I like how your stating casual universal+ but they have 0 universal+ feats casually that is, you know what where's your evidence that the ill illah can destroy the universe with no magic and casually at that I'll wait.

Solomon Never built the sacred palace himself, However the sacred palace was built by the Magoi that Solomo stole from lll illah

0 Casual Universal+ feats? Ill illah whilst having no Magoi created an entire Universe....

 

[Trinimac15]

Solomon Never built the sacred palace himself, However the sacred palace was built by the Magoi that Solomo stole from lll illah

0 Casual Universal+ feats? Ill illah whilst having no Magoi created an entire Universe....

Than I admit I was somewhat wrong on that one

No ser, you said the ill illah was universal+ with no magic I alredy agree to a universal level God's but Physically and with magic hell nahh.

And we don't even know if the universe was created casually for all we know it took a long time unless I'm missing something

 

[Antvasima]

Well, David was severely weakened at the time, due to the Sacred Palace collapsing, Aladdin was empowered by Ugo, Solomon, and his mother for the attack, and the Magi characters, such as Ugo, have consistently been shown as enormously weaker outside of the Palace.

If those explanations are insufficient, we can probably write it off as Plot-Induced Stupidity. Aladdin has definitely never remotely displayed a multiversal scale of power.

Should I write a footnote for Aladdin's page based on this?

 

[Tincan123]

I look at aladdin page but i didnt see solomon wisdom as his ability.

 

[Antvasima]

Which of our powers and abilities pages are appropriate descriptions of what Solomon's wisdom can do?

 

[TataHakai]

It's been stated multiple times that Solomon's wisdom Grants Omniscience if i recall correctly, however I'm not sure if Aladdin ever masterted it because using the ability to it's full capacity would just cause your brain to overload and a person, not even Aladdin would be able to handle it.

So maybe a Nigh-Omniscient stat change?

The way it works is pretty verse specific so i'm not sure if it would fit any power on the wikia.

 

[TataHakai]

Well, David was severely weakened at the time, due to the Sacred Palace collapsing, Aladdin was empowered by Ugo, Solomon, and his mother for the attack, and the Magi characters, such as Ugo, have consistently been shown as enormously weaker outside of the Palace.

If those explanations are insufficient, we can probably write it off as Plot-Induced Stupidity. Aladdin has definitely never remotely displayed a multiversal scale of power.

Should I write a footnote for Aladdin's page based on this?

Bit late on this but yeah, if this isn't accepted that footnote should be added.

 

[Tincan123]

i was rereading magi so i found this for exsample http://*****************/read-online/Magi-chapter-67-page-1.html. http://*****************/read-online/Magi-chapter-67-page-2.html

 

[Tincan123]

other translations say this http://www.mangadeep.com/Magi2016/67/04/. so i felt like this could be Nigh-Omniscient.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Nigh-Omniscience seems like an exaggeration, but here are some other possible candidate abilities. Please check through them to see which ones that fit: Astral Projection, Clairvoyance, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Information Analysis, Precognition, Psychometry.

 

[Antvasima]

I will try to write a footnote to Aladdin's page in any case.

 

[Tincan123]

http://*****************/read-online/Magi-chapter-104-page-11.html. http://*****************/read-online/Magi-chapter-104-page-12.html. http://*****************/read-online/Magi-chapter-104-page-18.html. after reading this i wonder if the rukh is everything in the universe ?

 

[Antvasima]

The rukh are just the essences/souls of all living beings, and given that Aladdin has never displayed the ability to know absolutely everything at once, omniscience seems like a massive exaggeration.

I would appreciate some help with checking through the following pages to check which ones that fit for Aladdin and Solomon's wisdom:

Astral Projection, Clairvoyance, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Information Analysis, Precognition, Psychometry.

 

[Tincan123]

the way i see it is that solomon shares all his wisdom with aladdin granting him Nigh-Omniscience. i dont know is this would make sense but it does explain why aladdin know so much about the world of magi and why ithnan would say ( That,s the nature of solomon,s wisdom that we are searching for.that is omiscience) . btw this is just a theory and i can be completely wrong about this. btw i highly recommand you guys also reread magi you will find more interesting stuff.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the way I understand nigh-omniscience, it means cosmic entity level intelligence combined with the ability to know and process almost everything at once. Aladdin does not fit into that description.

 

[Tincan123]

It could also be he hasnt achived the full potential of solomon wisdom

 

[KinkiestSins]

Nigh Omniscience is reserved for characters that are either Tier 1-A and higher, or have a small limitation in the reality they are supposedly one with. It does not fit Aladdin. I think the best two that fit Ant is Clairvoyance, since he has knowledge about extrasensory events and other random factoids. And Astral Projection, since he can seperate his soul and travel to other worlds/bodies. If he does not have soul manipulation, it is likely he has it


Also, I do find it hilarious the main character gets no feat that does not scale to tier 2/1. Poor aladdin.

But the sad truth is, it is best we leave him as Unknown..

 

[Tincan123]

Maybe you could put at full potential likely Nigh Omniscience sinds it would make sense that aladdin never mastered it at full potential.

 

[KinkiestSins]

Again, still no. Not because he doesnt have the potential, but because he never used it. We dont scale say, Luffys haki to Katakuri because he 'never mastered it to this level yet' Otherwise we have wonkier scaling. Plus, those two abilties are fine. In that combination, Aladdin is likely able to fight against most people with prep time.

 

[Tincan123]

I love how you mentioned luffy vs katakuri. but i am fine with this atleast aladdin gets solomon wisdom on his profile.

 

[Tincan123]

I have 1 last question about solomon wisdom. Ithnan state the true nature of it was ominiscience are you guys gonne note on aladdin profile tor completely ignore this because i am fine with both options

 

[Antvasima]

The author simply appears to have lesser standards for omniscience than we do.

I will add clairvoyance and astral projection to Aladdin's page.

 

[Tincan123]

Anyway i hoped it help giving you guys more information about solomon wisdom

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for trying to help out.

Anyway, since these issues seem to have been dealt with, should I close this thread?

 

[TataHakai]

Yeah go ahead.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.